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Hi all,
Last Friday night BBC2 re-broadcast the 1975 X-mas concert.
This gave me the opportunity to record this in the only right way, which is to capture the satellite stream with my Dreambox 8000 satellite  receiver.
I then used ProjectX 0.90.4.00.b31 to demux and mjpegtools mplex-2 version 1.8.0 (2.2.4) to multiplex for DVD.
I added some simple text menus using sourceforge dvdauthor, version 0.6.11.

Stream info:
-> Video length: 00:46:49.600
-> avg. nom. bitrate 3986578bps (min/max: 1082000/8099600)

-> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 256kbps

Size 1.41 GB

Enjoy!
Frank
Posted by frank-nluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 12:27:00 PM
Yes!!!! Thx so much. I was so hoping someone who knew how to do it right would have done it. 1000 times thank you!!!
Posted by deltazuluuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 2:32:00 PM
"This has been downloaded 52 time(s)."


So, this is your second thanks !!
Anybody can discuss the comparison with the other share of the same broadcast ? It seems this one is better, reading the first post, but I'm a totally newbie as far as the video is concerned. Seeing no thanks makes me think it is inferior. Where's the truth ? ;o) o) o) o)


Regards,

Olivier,
Belgium.
Posted by ruth.olivier 25008user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 5:21:00 PM
This recording is exactly how it came from satellite, so is identical to as broadcast over satellite.
In the recording and authoring process, there is no loss what-so-ever due to analog cables or re-encoding.
So I can say with no doubt, that this is the best possible recording.
And even so, it is much smaller than if you record using a DVD or HD- recorder as you would need to record at a high bit-rate in order to prevent encoding artifacts.
Hope this takes away any doubts!

Frank
Posted by frank-nluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 5:38:00 PM
Thanks for sharing this version as well!  The first one was already very good, and I'm looking forward to seeing how this one compares.  :))
Posted by Ginger01user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 5:44:00 PM
Thank you very much.
Posted by PBBuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 5:54:00 PM
Thank you very much for this version of the BBC Show.
Posted by Tim Juneuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 5:56:00 PM
May I know why the file size here is 1.41 GB whereas the first one by Rien is 3.16 GB ?

I am a novice on videos so I am waiting for the official DVD release.
Posted by tccuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 7:34:00 PM


 



tcc wrote:



May I know why the file size here is 1.41 GB whereas the first one by Rien is 3.16 GB ?

I am a novice on videos so I am waiting for the official DVD release.



In theory, a lower data size means the video was recorded at a lower bitrate, therefore worse picture/more artefacting onscreen.
BUT, if this is a direct capture of the data stream, then it ought to be the best quality picture!
Posted by brians wiguser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 8:25:00 PM


frank-nl wrote:

This recording is exactly how it came from satellite, so is identical to as broadcast over satellite.
In the recording and authoring process, there is no loss what-so-ever due to analog cables or re-encoding.
So I can say with no doubt, that this is the best possible recording.
And even so, it is much smaller than if you record using a DVD or HD- recorder as you would need to record at a high bit-rate in order to prevent encoding artifacts.
Hope this takes away any doubts!

Frank

Thankyou for the share!!
You seem to have some mean equipment at your disposal :)
Was your satellite reciever provided by the service provided or u ourchased it seperately?
Posted by ParisNairuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/29/2009 9:10:00 PM
Service providers don't give you this type of receivers because they don't want you to have access to the raw stream.
Another advantage of my box is that in case of encrypted broadcast, it stores the stream in decrypted form so that you can still watch it after the encryption keys are updated. This is something that none of the standard harddisc receivers will do.

Cheers,
Frank
Posted by frank-nluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 3:36:00 AM
thanx for sharing!
Posted by jerome.wuzzuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 5:00:00 AM
thanks for this,lookin forward to comparing it with my older version!!
Posted by kevukukuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 5:13:00 AM
Are "Seven seas of Rhye" and "See What a fool I ve been" broadcasted as well?

Thanks
Posted by queen79lucauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 6:08:00 AM
hi,

in this version is the rock'n'roll medley edited or integral?
Posted by bootLucauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 6:57:00 AM
I don't know what edits were made.
You should be able to figure it out from the chapter times/titles below.

0:00 2009 introduction by Bob Harris
1:02 Now I'm Here
5:43 medley:
5:57 -Bohemian Rhapsody
8:09 -Killer Queen
10:19 -March Of The Black Queen
11:49 -Bohemian Rhapsody (reprise)
12:52 Bring Back That Leroy Brown
14:16 Brighton Rock
21:42 Son And Daughter
23:25 Keep Yourself Alive
27:58 Liar
36:26 In The Lap Of The Gods... revisited
40:58 Big Spender
42:27 Jailhouse Rock
46:26 credits
Posted by frank-nluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 7:51:00 AM
Thank you, I think it sounds pretty good :)
John is a bit low though...
Posted by Kniggituser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 9:15:00 AM
Thank you very much. This DVD is better than the one in the other thread.
Posted by mric!user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 9:19:00 AM
Thank you very much !  Looking forward to watching this later !   [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]
Posted by My hair's a disgraceuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 9:45:00 AM
Thank you very much for sharing
Posted by YourValentineuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 9:47:00 AM
on beyond thanx!!!!
Posted by e-manuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 10:57:00 AM
A question - is it much different from Rien's share ?
Posted by pittrekuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 11:03:00 AM


pittrek wrote:

A question - is it much different from Rien's share ?

It's hard to say.  Someone said it's better, but it's only 1.41 GB..
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 12:14:00 PM


pittrek wrote:

A question - is it much different from Rien's share ?


First of all, thanks so much to Frank for recording and sharing this one!

Now, comparing both shares I gotta say Frank's look better (Frank's digital stream vs. Rien's regular TV cable)
About the size of both files, not necessarily bigger files mean bigger quality; in most DVDs the bigger part of file size is taken by audio streams (LPCM, DTS, etc)
So looking at Frank's share, 1.41 GB doesn't mean lower quality than Rien's video. Both shares have AC3 2 channel audio stream and that's the best we can get ;-)

Also a huge thanks to Rien for the effort!

and Pete, I just read your PM and gonna reply in few seconds ;-)

Now I'm gonna burn Frank's video onto a rewritable DVD and wait patiently for the official release.

Last thing: Seven Seas Of Rhye, See What A Fool I’ve Been and God Save The Queen were not recorded by BBC cameras so Brian asked for any amateur filming of that "reprise" and pics from that evening.
Posted by Ale Solanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 12:19:00 PM


queen79luca wrote:

Are "Seven seas of Rhye" and "See What a fool I ve been" broadcasted as well?

 



Thanks

You wish! LOL!!
Posted by ParisNairuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 12:30:00 PM


Alex Solan. wrote:

Now, comparing both shares I gotta say Frank's look better (Frank's digital stream vs. Rien's regular TV cable)
About the size of both files, not necessarily bigger files mean bigger quality; in most DVDs the bigger part of file size is taken by audio streams (LPCM, DTS, etc)
So looking at Frank's share, 1.41 GB doesn't mean lower quality than Rien's video. Both shares have AC3 2 channel audio stream and that's the best we can get ;-)

Thanks for the info !  Very interesting.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 1:16:00 PM
Thanks for the info, Alex. I'll download this one too :)
Posted by pittrekuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 1:29:00 PM
Sorry, I forgot to mention but as you can see Frank's share has MPEG-1 audio, not AC3 but still, picture quality is better ;-)
Posted by Ale Solanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 1:54:00 PM
thanks a lot frank. just watched this one and indeed it's better picture quality than rein's  version, but thanks a lot to rein too, you guys are great! on frank's version there is no ghosting as someone says it's the issue on rein's version. this is probably ultimate edition (quality wise) until official release. too bad it's edited but that's to be expected from QP cos they're going to officially released it one day. maybe someone will put this 2009 edition with old room 101 edition to make it complete (pittrek?)
Posted by queensideuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 2:33:00 PM
Thanks a lot for this version! Does anyone already noticed sound fixations in 'March Of The Black Queen' and 'Liar' coda?
Sounds great!
Posted by CMIuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 2:51:00 PM


queenside wrote:

thanks a lot frank. just watched this one and indeed it's better picture quality than rein's  version, but thanks a lot to rein too, you guys are great! on frank's version there is no ghosting as someone says it's the issue on rein's version. this is probably ultimate edition (quality wise) until official release. too bad it's edited but that's to be expected from QP cos they're going to officially released it one day. maybe someone will put this 2009 edition with old room 101 edition to make it complete (pittrek?)


I don't think it's worth such a work to make a completer version since the official release is next to pop up.
Posted by Ale Solanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 3:29:00 PM


 



deltazulu wrote:



Yes!!!! Thx so much. I was so hoping someone who knew how to do it right would have done it. 1000 times thank you!!!


Not the finest words to choose, after my attempt. (if I read correctly between the lines - forgive me when I'm wrong)
I can only say I did the best I could while there was no other share available in the short time after the BBC broadcast. (presuming lots of fans would have recorded this show).
Hey buddy, you got it for free you know. I come from the time where you had to wait a year or more for a new Queen album to hit the shops and had to save money for it or to see their shows.

Believe me, I think the internet is one of the greatest things of our time, considering how we can share precious stuff like a lot of us do here on Queenzone. It often amazes me what brilliant stuff people come up with. But it also makes us want MORE MORE MORE even before we have digested what has just been offered to us.
 
But sure, enjoy what's given to you. You should.
I certainly do and really appreciate the newer (sattelite) version. Thanks to the uploader!
Posted by Rienuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 3:58:00 PM
Thank you very much.
Posted by sekywauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 4:04:00 PM
thanks alot!

I liked so much: it's great quality
Posted by gasparuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 4:35:00 PM
MERCI BEAUCOUP
Posted by vivaqueenuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 4:48:00 PM
Thank you very muck !
[img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]
Posted by Masahikouser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 5:01:00 PM
Thanks a lot for this one. Can't wait see how it looks.
Posted by Ed-freduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 5:30:00 PM
Thanks so much for this newest effort and the quality that it represents. Its a very clear recording and thanks for the effort to preserve its quality.
Posted by indyclevuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 7:50:00 PM
Thanx for this.I did record it from freeview myself,but just wanted to see if this version is any better :)
Posted by Dodger Tayloruser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 11/30/2009 11:07:00 PM


Alex Solan. wrote:


Sorry, I forgot to mention but as you can see Frank's share has MPEG-1 audio, not AC3 but still, picture quality is better ;-)

A question - is the MPEG-1 compression a limitation of the equipment used by Frank? Could he have recorded with better audio quality?
Posted by ParisNairuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 4:36:00 AM
Regarding the audio on this DVD: this is also the exact audio of the BBC broadcast, so no loss, re-encoding or anything.
The audio is MPEG-1 Level 2 (often named MP2), which is similar in quality to MP3.

Greetings,
Frank
Posted by frank-nluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 5:13:00 AM
Thanks a lot for this.

Is there artwork on the horizon?

One question for the recorder: Could you have recorded this with LPCM audio?

Thanks again.
Posted by tgunn2760user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 8:36:00 AM
Many thanks for taking the time to do this.
Posted by starkuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 9:22:00 AM
Thank you very much, Frank!!! [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]
Posted by Bo Alexuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 9:31:00 AM
Thanks for sharing, looks great.
Posted by kurgan100user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 9:40:00 AM
One FINAL comment about the audio.
Some TV channels use multiple sound tracks for some shows, e.g. ZDF sometimes uses 1 MP2 128 kbps, 1 MP2 256 kbps and 1 AC3 stereo.
In such case my box would record all of those tracks (because it stores the full stream with all substreams) and I have the choice which tracks I use when multiplexing for DVD.
However this BBC broadcast only came with 2 MP2 256 kbps stereo sound tracks which were identical as far as I could tell, so I used one of those for multiplexing to DVD.

It doesn't make sense to "record as LPCM" as that would actually be a conversion (similar to converting mp3 to flac) that does not add any quality but just makes the resulting file bigger!

So this share is the best possible capture both video and sound-wise in the smallest possible size.
What more do you want?

Regarding MPEG1 Level 2 sound, this format conforms to the DVD audio standard and also is the most commonly used audio format in satellite broadcast (DVB-S).

Greetings,
Frank
Posted by frank-nluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 2:44:00 PM


frank-nl wrote:

One FINAL comment about the audio.
Some TV channels use multiple sound tracks for some shows, e.g. ZDF sometimes uses 1 MP2 128 kbps, 1 MP2 256 kbps and 1 AC3 stereo.
In such case my box would record all of those tracks (because it stores the full stream with all substreams) and I have the choice which tracks I use when multiplexing for DVD.
However this BBC broadcast only came with 2 MP2 256 kbps stereo sound tracks which were identical as far as I could tell, so I used one of those for multiplexing to DVD.

It doesn't make sense to "record as LPCM" as that would actually be a conversion (similar to converting mp3 to flac) that does not add any quality but just makes the resulting file bigger!

So this share is the best possible capture both video and sound-wise in the smallest possible size.
What more do you want?

Regarding MPEG1 Level 2 sound, this format conforms to the DVD audio standard and also is the most commonly used audio format in satellite broadcast (DVB-S).

Greetings,
Frank


Incredible amount of info in this thread!!
Thanks a ton!
Posted by ParisNairuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 3:07:00 PM
frank you're a star with this recording of this great concert! i doubt we'll see better version, only QP can do it better with official release
Posted by queensideuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 3:19:00 PM
no slight intended. not in the least. i also have a cable signal that i record on pvr and am more than happy when someone can upgrade an offering off my tradelist. your efforts have been noted more than once. there's no way of knowing what's going to pop up... especially considering how fast you got your version out there. cheers


Rien wrote:



 



 



 



deltazulu wrote:



 



Yes!!!! Thx so much. I was so hoping someone who knew how to do it right would have done it. 1000 times thank you!!!



 


Not the finest words to choose, after my attempt. (if I read correctly between the lines - forgive me when I'm wrong)
I can only say I did the best I could while there was no other share available in the short time after the BBC broadcast. (presuming lots of fans would have recorded this show).
Hey buddy, you got it for free you know. I come from the time where you had to wait a year or more for a new Queen album to hit the shops and had to save money for it or to see their shows.

Believe me, I think the internet is one of the greatest things of our time, considering how we can share precious stuff like a lot of us do here on Queenzone. It often amazes me what brilliant stuff people come up with. But it also makes us want MORE MORE MORE even before we have digested what has just been offered to us.
 
But sure, enjoy what's given to you. You should.
I certainly do and really appreciate the newer (sattelite) version. Thanks to the uploader!






Posted by deltazuluuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 3:42:00 PM
ok.
Posted by Rienuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 3:47:00 PM
:>
Posted by deltazuluuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 3:49:00 PM


tgunn2760 wrote:

Thanks a lot for this.

Is there artwork on the horizon?



Umm I don't think it's necessary since the official release will be up soon, surely next year but I'll give it a go and some simple artwork for it when I'm done with others I have in mind.
Posted by Ale Solanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 3:55:00 PM
Hi,

The doesn't seem to download for me.  Can anyone help?

I've got a few torrents downloading, but this one can't find any seeds.  Interestingly enough my username is also absent from the Torrent list at the top of the page.

Has anyone had similar difficulties?

Otherwise, thanks for sharing the file.  Not living in the UK I would have otherwise missed out entirely on seeing this show.

Cheers
Posted by seagulluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/1/2009 9:29:00 PM


seagull wrote:

Hi,

The doesn't seem to download for me.  Can anyone help?

I've got a few torrents downloading, but this one can't find any seeds.  Interestingly enough my username is also absent from the Torrent list at the top of the page.

Has anyone had similar difficulties?

Otherwise, thanks for sharing the file.  Not living in the UK I would have otherwise missed out entirely on seeing this show.

Cheers


If you can't connect to QZ for some reason, someone upped this at TTD:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78001

300 completes there.
Posted by tgunn2760user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 1:52:00 AM


Alex Solan. wrote:







tgunn2760 wrote:



Thanks a lot for this.

Is there artwork on the horizon?




Umm I don't think it's necessary since the official release will be up soon, surely next year but I'll give it a go andsome simple artwork for it when I'm done with others I have in mind.





It's not necessary but nice to have a cover with the version's details and set list.
Posted by tgunn2760user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 1:53:00 AM


frank-nl wrote:

Regarding the audio on this DVD: this is also the exact audio of the BBC broadcast, so no loss, re-encoding or anything.
The audio is MPEG-1 Level 2 (often named MP2), which is similar in quality to MP3.

Greetings,
Frank




The audio is surprisingly good. The video is excellent. Amazing show, amazing upgrade.

I had forgotten how good this performance was. This is Queen at its finest. For me anyway. I enjoyed their
fist five albums.

Thanks again.
Posted by tgunn2760user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 1:58:00 AM
Thanks :)
Posted by Zodiakuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 4:41:00 AM
many tks for this one!
can´t wait watching it !
Posted by Valiuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 5:50:00 AM
Thank you very much.

Here is a DVD cover:
Posted by rhapsody8user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 6:03:00 AM
and label:
Posted by rhapsody8user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 6:04:00 AM
Thank you very much for this!!! I'm looking forward to see this version too :)
Posted by Lazing On A Sunday Afternoonuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 8:47:00 AM


rhapsody8 wrote:

Thank you very much.





Here is a DVD cover:


Excellent artwork, thanks.
Posted by tgunn2760user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 8:53:00 AM
Thanks so much for this, I hope the official release is as nice. (Plus of course the songs that BBC failed to air like White Queen, Ogre Battle and such) I don't understand something, Why if the band kept playing didn't they just keep the cameras rolling for Seven Seas & See What A Fool?

I really hope and wish that they'd do a DVD release with this paired with Rainbow 74, the WHOLE show, not just the crap edit that made its way to VHS copies.

Again thanks though, something to tide us non UK people over til the release of the DVD!
Posted by QueenFan76user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 10:33:00 AM






























































































































































































































































QueenFan76 wrote:































































































































Why if the band kept playing didn't they just keep the cameras rolling for Seven Seas & See What A Fool?






























































































































Because the crew's job was to film it for TV.  The broadcast portion of the show had ended, so they were packing up their gear.

Back then, people generally didn't go out of their way to film bands without a good reason to do so, as they had no idea how valuable such footage would be decades later.  There isn't too much footage of bands like Queen, Led Zeppelin, and Kiss from the 70s, even though they each played hundreds of concerts ... and there is even less of The Who, Pink Floyd, Genesis, The Eagles, and plenty of others.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 11:55:00 AM
WOW, what a quality. Never seen or heard this concert this way!
Thanks for this early X-Mas gift!!!

Maurits
The Netherlands
Posted by BusyIntelligenceuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/2/2009 1:05:00 PM


rhapsody8 wrote:

Thank you very much.





Here is a DVD cover:





great artwork! i bet it's better than official artwork will be
Posted by queensideuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/3/2009 1:18:00 PM


queenside wrote:







rhapsody8 wrote:



Thank you very much.











Here is a DVD cover:









great artwork! i bet it's better than official artwork will be



The official artwork will have a picture of bent Freddie on the front and red background, with the title written in Comic Sans
Posted by pittrekuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/3/2009 2:24:00 PM
This one is better than the previous, but the version i have had for years is better than what BBC showed for some odd reason? lol.  I will tell you, anyone that hasn't seen this, this has Freddie's best performance of In the lap of the gods...revisited on it!!! He sings it with so much emotion and it just gives me a chill up my spine, especially the 2nd verse.
Posted by Bulsarianuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/3/2009 4:47:00 PM
I must say a huge thank you to both Frank and Rien for thier shares in this re-broadcast. And to both Frank and Alex for the technical talk regarding the quality of the recording.
Posted by Mr Mercuryuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/3/2009 7:29:00 PM
Thanks a lot!
Posted by tassilouser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/5/2009 3:48:00 AM
Thx tgunn2760,

I worked it out, it seems swapping from Bitlord to Bitcomet has resolved a few of my problems...and I'm 35%uploaded now!!!
Posted by seagulluser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/6/2009 6:39:00 PM
Thanks for sharing!
Posted by shazamrockuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 12/7/2009 1:43:00 AM
Thanks Frank!

Nice detail, Mott the Hoople is playing the new Odeon when Bob Harris does his new intro!
Posted by Daneuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 2/24/2010 2:16:00 PM
merci
Posted by jazz 1979user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/13/2011 12:46:00 PM
i know it's an old post but.............is there any chance to have someone to seed it again ?

ThanXaloT
Stefano
Posted by maggiko fokauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/13/2011 5:20:00 PM
I would love anyone who reseeded this as much as I love Frank for uploading it.

Please.
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on 5/27/2011 6:22:00 PM