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I wanted to make a torrent, but there is nice little question -

HOW THE HELL DO YOU CREATE A TORRENT ON QUEENZONE ???

The original thread is gone :-(

OK, now to the share


Band : Queen
Studio : Maida Vale Studio 4, London, UK
Date of recording : October 28, 1977
Date of broadcast : November 14, 1977
Producer : Jeff Griffin
Sound engineer : Mike Robinson

Band
Freddie Mercury - vocals, piano
Brian May - guitar, backing vocals
John Deacon - bass guitar
Roger Taylor - drums, backing vocals

Tracklist

Spread Your Wings
It's Late (with parts of Get Down Make Love)
My Melancholy Blues
We Will Rock You (slow / fast)

Lineage
PRO > Analogue 1/4 reel MASTER > MiniDisc > WAV > CD(1) > EAC > WAV > Trader's Little Helper > FLAC level 8

Sound quality : Excellent +
"Performance quality" : Excellent +++ :-)
Length : 19:30

--- Mini-review

After a break of some three years, Queen returned to Maida to record their final session for the BBC. This time four tracks from the recently released News Of The World LP were reworked. The album received it's UK release on this day on October 28th 1977, the BBC airing provided additional publicity.

The session was produced by Jeff Griffin and engineered by Mike Robinson, and was broadcast two weeks later, on November 14th. The recordings provide an enthralling listening experience: John Deacon's "Spread Your Wings" is bursting with energy with Freddie obviously revelling in singing this expansive song. This recording is very similar to the Live Killers version of two years later.

An unusual aspect of Session 6 is the inclusion of a narrative passage, which precedes "We Will Rock You". Immediately after an explosion, and just prior to the opening chords, a female voice cuts in briefly with an extract of a reading from Siddartha, by Herman Hesse. How did this come about? At that time, only master tapes survived from BBC sessions, while the actual tapes used to compose them were recorded over later.

When Queen assembled in the control room for a playback, they discovered remnants of a Radio 4 programme on their tape. The band incorporated a segment of this unusual material into their own work. The broadcast version began in News Of The World fashion, then breaks for the Siddartha interlude.

"It's Late" contains a unique improvised section absent from the album version. There are many similarities with "Get Down, Make Love" (from the same album), which is largely due to a custom-made tape delay machine, which the band took with them into the studio. Since no commercially available device existed to supply the desired length of delay, the band had to come up with their own.

"My Melancholy Blues", from this session, is just stunning. Brian accompanies Freddie on guitar, which does not occur on the LP cut, and the result is superior to the album mix, and that's saying something


--- Quote from http://queenpedia.com/index.php?title=BBC_Sessions

VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO JOHN S. STUART !!!

Basic rules

1. NEVER try to "remaster" the recording and share it, KEEP THE AUDIO UNTOUCHED !
2. NEVER ENCODE TO MP3 OR OTHER LOSSY FORMATS !!! I will search common mp3 sites to check if it appears in mp3 format somewhere !
3. DO NOT SELL !!! - I know the common bootleg pages and I will check regularly if somebody will sell it ! Especially eBay !
4. DO NOT BOOTLEG !!! - I will regularly check the various "bootleg encyclopaedias" and pray that this won't appear somewhere !


This is a very special gift from a famous Queen collector, so if you want to see more from his collection, don't you dare to NOT to obey the above mentioned rules !
If ANY of the rules will be broken by some idiot, I will NEVER share something again, I swear !

Other BBC sessions will (maybe) follow later, it depends on your reactions and the reactions of a "certain company" :-)

Enjoy and please, accept the 4 rules !



Download link:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CTF5DX2U
Posted by pittrek user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 3:12:00 PM
Thanks to John for the audio and Pittrek for the upload.
Posted by Marknow user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 3:32:00 PM
OMG You guys are awesome!! Thank you so much John and Pittrek, I'm gonna be listening to these non-stop for days!
Posted by GinjaNinja user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 3:59:00 PM
THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Posted by Ale_Pisa user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 4:07:00 PM
The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable.

Mediafire... please! :)

V.
Posted by bigV user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 4:19:00 PM
Wow, this is FANTASTIC. Sounds absolutely brilliant!

THANKS so much to John S Stuart for making this happen, and of course to Pittrek for the uploading;-)
Posted by on my way up user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 4:21:00 PM
Please make a mirror, download is consistently getting interupted and I can't restart from there it stopped.
Posted by djcamper user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 4:33:00 PM
If it says temporarily unavailable, just refresh the page, it worked for me.
Posted by GinjaNinja user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 4:33:00 PM
AWESOME!!
Thanks a lot!!
Posted by dunga user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 4:45:00 PM
A BIG THANK YOU!!!!!
Posted by ferdy user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 4:52:00 PM
Many thanks for this gem, John S Stuart e Pittrek !!!
Posted by GuitarMay user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 5:02:00 PM
Legal notice: The musical content above is the "property of Queen productions", and although I am flattered at being mentioned in the footnotes, I accept no responsibilty for the public disemination of this material.
Posted by John S Stuart user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 5:07:00 PM
Just downloaded - cheers! Although they appear to be lossy (or gone through noise reduction??) - the frequencies cut out at about 18khz?
Posted by Negative Creep user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 5:12:00 PM
Great!! Many thanks to both of you!!!
Posted by Rami user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 5:18:00 PM
John S Stuart wrote: Legal notice: The musical content above is the "property of Queen productions", and although I am flattered at being mentioned in the footnotes, I accept no responsibilty for the public disemination of this material.
=======================================

You're forgiven. If anything, you're openly demonstrating to QPL that THIS is how to attract warranted fan attention.
Posted by inu-liger user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 5:25:00 PM
PS. Thank you John and Pittrek!

Pittrek, did you managed to get your Facebook working?
Posted by inu-liger user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 5:26:00 PM
BBC Sessions + being at the beach. Does not get much better than this. :-D

Erin says WOOOO HOOOO
Posted by PieterMC user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 5:33:00 PM
I have just listened to a few seconds, it's too late to listen to loud music here but it sound INCREDIBLE, just AWSOME.

 I read somewhere people is not grateful enough for things like this, so I must say A BIG THANK YOU for making this happen. I'm a happier man now :)
Posted by rubenrl user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 6:03:00 PM
Many thanks to John Stuart and Pittrek.

It's great !
Posted by tcc user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 6:08:00 PM
Just THANKS!
Posted by Wilki Amieva user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 6:37:00 PM
DITTO - all the above thank you comments....
Posted by itslate98 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 6:39:00 PM
From my heart Thank You guys.
Posted by Pierre user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 6:44:00 PM
Thanks for sharing these John.
Words can't express how grateful i am to hear these in excellent quality after all these years. :)
Posted by brians wig user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 6:44:00 PM
Posted by oligneisti user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 6:51:00 PM
Posted by Robbieboy user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 7:12:00 PM
THANK YOU VERY MUCH JOHN!!!
Posted by rubens user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 7:28:00 PM
Sounds great guys!  Many thanks indeed!
Posted by Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 8:09:00 PM
Thank you for this great recording. I love Freddies 1977 voice.
Posted by Tim June user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 8:23:00 PM
This is beyond incredible.  Thanks guys for getting these out there.  It's one of the best pieces of Queen history as far as I'm concerned, and to have them straight from the source ... just immeasurable.
Posted by The Real Wizard user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 8:28:00 PM
A million and one thank yous to all involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by tjleone user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 8:30:00 PM
Thanks a bunch multiplied by a lot!
Posted by kohuept user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 9:48:00 PM
Suberb! Thank you earnestly.
Posted by TerrorOfKnowing user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 9:55:00 PM
I don't post here often, hardly ever in fact, but I must say many thanks indeed to all involved.

It's just a shame that QPL couldn't do this in the first place...
Posted by red pheonix user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 9:57:00 PM
Simply amazing. Thank you for sharing this to the Queenzone members. Audio quality is impressive
Posted by And91 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 10:12:00 PM
Thank you, John, for sharing this with the world, and thank you Pittrek, for facilitating it! A debt of gratitude is owed to you both!
Posted by thunderbolt 31742 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 10:49:00 PM
Thank you John & Pittrek, this is really awesome!!
Posted by riccardo user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/29/2010 11:42:00 PM
Thank you very much to both of you for sharing this great recording !!

Greetings

Bokkepoot

edit:

"I wanted to make a torrent, but there is nice little question - HOW
THE HELL DO YOU CREATE A TORRENT ON QUEENZONE ??? The original
thread is gone :-( "

The original thread is still available on archive.org. Here is a direct link to the thread how to post a torrent here on Queenzone:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080701061212/www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=507693
Posted by bokkepoot user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 1:05:00 AM
Thank you!
Posted by jeff63 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 1:08:00 AM
Thank you very much.
Great stuff:-)
Posted by PBB user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 1:38:00 AM
Many , many thanks for these wonderful tracks in unheard quality. 30 years of waiting are over:)

Here is the torrent for those who do not manage to download from megaupload
Posted by YourValentine user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 1:41:00 AM
Thank you very much. It's amazing to wash away all the low quality hiss from the copies available so far to hear them how they were intended. Seems like all the most genuinely interesting and valuable Queen releases aren't being released by Queen Productions. Legend work.
Posted by vicspec user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:00:00 AM
A big "thank you" to the kind gentlemen who made this possible; your generousity and genuine sense of altruism has not gone unnoticed. Much appreciated.
Posted by IanR user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:18:00 AM
Thanks! Great share!
Posted by PiotreQ user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:25:00 AM
Magnificent!

Very many thanks to John S. Stuart for your generosity and Pittrek for doing your usual (great) job.
Posted by MarkRW user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:47:00 AM
Thanks!!!!
Posted by poppo user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:21:00 AM
One more Chrismas this year :)
All I can say is THANK YOU to John and Pittrek.
Posted by Fmarton user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:24:00 AM
Fantastic!! Thanks a million for this wonderful share!! :-)))
Posted by Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:28:00 AM
Wow, I go sleeping for a couple of hours and when I wake up this thread has so many comments ...  :-)
OK, I'm preparing the "next thing" - check this site in a few hours ...
Posted by pittrek user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:32:00 AM
Superb- thank you very much John and Pittrek!
Posted by Robbieboy user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:42:00 AM
Many thanks to John and Pitrek! :-)
Posted by Arquest user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:49:00 AM
So I have a small update :

The correct lineage is

PRO > 1/4 reel to reel master >  MD > CD > CD clone. (A D D)
Posted by pittrek user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:51:00 AM
Thank you very much! :D
Posted by little foetus user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:52:00 AM
pittrek wrote: Wow, I go sleeping for a couple of hours and when I wake up this thread has so many comments ...  :-)
OK, I'm preparing the "next thing" - check this site in a few hours ...
=================================

Thanks in advance! (I hope it's 4 or 5 next! ^_^ )
Posted by inu-liger user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:53:00 AM
Thanks a million Pittrek and John Stuart. Queenzone is the #1 source for Queen music, not Queenproductions :)
Posted by LordOfAllDarkness user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 3:54:00 AM
Thank you very much, gentlemen! It was well worth the wait!

V.
Posted by bigV user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 4:08:00 AM
Thanks for sharing this.

Can I ask one question, if this is from the Master Copy, where do the other copies I have of these recordings come from?..... where would they have been lifted from, because their quality is excellent also.
Posted by woodi485485 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 4:36:00 AM
Folks.
You'll notice that a few frames from the start of "My Melancholy Blues" appears on the end of "It's Late" due to a mis- timed edit, so you may want to amend this yourselves before you burn to CD.
Posted by brians wig user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 4:49:00 AM
Many thanks John and Pittrek for coming up with these recordings.

I remember recording them on my stereo when they were first broadcast on the John Peel show on BBC Radio 1.I'd just got back from College/nightschool just in time to get my cassette tape in.

I was also very fortunate that i was able to receive a crystal clear stereo reception where i lived.

Excuse me for my ramblings
Posted by Bo Rhap user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 4:52:00 AM
Wow! Thanks a lot!!!

Cheers,
Tim
Posted by Tim Goossen user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 5:06:00 AM
Finally downloaded, thanks for putting it up here.
Posted by djcamper user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 5:11:00 AM
Thank you so much John & Pittrek!

Tony

My webpage: http://xoomer.alice.it/tonyhomepage
Posted by tonyyy user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 5:40:00 AM
Simply fucking AWESOME, John... Thanks again for giving us these emotions in that damn wonderful quality!

Stone Cold Leo'82 B.R.
Posted by Stone Cold Leo'82 B.R. user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 5:43:00 AM
Wow. These are brilliant. Thank you so much guys for putting these up for all to share! Things like these should never be hidden away as they are musical treasures.
Posted by Makka user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 5:58:00 AM
Thank you John (and Pittrek) for sharing this.
Just listened to it and it completely blew me away.
Such a great quality, you can feel the energy of the band as if you're there with them in the studio, or better, Freddie, Brian, Roger and John were actually in MY ROOM. The crystal clear sound of this recording is amazing as if it's played live at this very moment.

Let's treasure this, folks.
Posted by Rien user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 6:10:00 AM
Pittrek and John,

many, many thanks for making this available to us. If I ever forget why a became a Queenfan in the first place, stuff like this makes it very clear. Fantastic!
Posted by Somebody to loveeeee user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 6:26:00 AM
many thanks just love this version of syw
Posted by peterkoz1 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 6:33:00 AM
To John and Peter: thank you so much. This is truly a gem :-)
Posted by Rick user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 6:39:00 AM
Negative Creep wrote: Just downloaded - cheers! Although they appear to be lossy (or gone through noise reduction??) - the frequencies cut out at about 18khz?

Lineage: PRO > Analogue 1/4 reel MASTER > MiniDisc > WAV > CD(1) > EAC > WAV > Trader's Little Helper > FLAC level 8

Your observation could well be correct, but there has been no audio tweaking or noise reduction.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "1st Generation Mini-Disc digital copy", rather than direct from "Master Tape".
If the actual "Master" sounds marginally better, it will be made "officially" available to those who need it.

Again, I accept no responsibility for the public disemination of this material!
Posted by John S Stuart user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 8:20:00 AM
Thanks to JSS and Pittrek - you are both stars!!!!
Posted by Mr Mercury user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 8:22:00 AM
To all concerned, thank you for bringing this material to life in all it's glory. It takes me back some 30 years (or so) when I played some hashed up version on an LP with fake audience and clapping, but nonetheless blitzed by the energy of it all. Does anyone else just love the way Roger belts out the top harmonies on We will rock you?

Should time and your continued generosity permit, I look forward to any other jewels that you may care to offer. Hangman anyone?

Again, hugely grateful
Posted by Cruella de Vil user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 8:27:00 AM
A couple of days away and I find this when returning ... :)

John, Peter ... many thanks !  downloading right now, can´t wait listening to !!
Posted by Vali user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:03:00 AM
AMAZING

MERCI BEAUCOUP

IN QUEENZONE, WE ARE THE BEST FAN EVER
Posted by vivaqueen user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:16:00 AM
John S Stuart wrote: Negative Creep wrote: Just downloaded - cheers! Although they appear to be lossy (or gone through noise reduction??) - the frequencies cut out at about 18khz?

Lineage: PRO > Analogue 1/4 reel MASTER > MiniDisc > WAV > CD(1) > EAC > WAV > Trader's Little Helper > FLAC level 8

Your observation could well be correct, but there has been no audio tweaking or noise reduction.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "1st Generation Mini-Disc digital copy", rather than direct from "Master Tape".
If the actual "Master" sounds marginally better, it will be made "officially" available to those who need it.

Again, I accept no responsibility for the public disemination of this material!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>

First of all: THANKS A MILLION JSS AND PITTREK,
This is a great share! really great. 

Technically master > minidisc > cd means downgrading quality. The ultimate release would be a master > cd transfer. 

Having said that, I'm not asking for such a release since I'm well aware of your generosity with this share. This is more than we all could have wished for.

So again JSS. Thanks a million. This is just great!
Posted by people on streets user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:26:00 AM
CruellaDeVille wrote: To all concerned, thank you for bringing this material to life in all it's glory. It takes me back some 30 years (or so) when I played some hashed up version on an LP with fake audience and clapping, but nonetheless blitzed by the energy of it all. Does anyone else just love the way Roger belts out the top harmonies on We will rock you?

Should time and your continued generosity permit, I look forward to any other jewels that you may care to offer. Hangman anyone?

Again, hugely grateful ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I actually find this quite interesting.
In my 24 years of collecting Queen, I have NEVER heard  (nor come across) these sessions with the crowd dubbed on!
Perhaps it's because the ones I bought on vinyl back in the late 80's (with Session 2), are clean, reasonably good sounding versions and I've not really gone out of my way to look for upgrades...
Posted by brians wig user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:26:00 AM
Many thanks
Posted by pete66 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:34:00 AM
AWESOME !

Thanks both of you, JSS & Pittrek, your generosity is legendary !

Regards,

Olivier,
Belgium.
Posted by Queenrockyou user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:37:00 AM
thanks
Posted by Saint Jiub user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:46:00 AM
people on streets wrote: John S Stuart wrote: Negative Creep wrote: Just downloaded - cheers! Although they appear to be lossy (or gone through noise reduction??) - the frequencies cut out at about 18khz?

Lineage: PRO > Analogue 1/4 reel MASTER > MiniDisc > WAV > CD(1) > EAC > WAV > Trader's Little Helper > FLAC level 8

Your observation could well be correct, but there has been no audio tweaking or noise reduction.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "1st Generation Mini-Disc digital copy", rather than direct from "Master Tape".
If the actual "Master" sounds marginally better, it will be made "officially" available to those who need it.

Again, I accept no responsibility for the public disemination of this material!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>

First of all: THANKS A MILLION JSS AND PITTREK,
This is a great share! really great. 

Technically master > minidisc > cd means downgrading quality. The ultimate release would be a master > cd transfer. 

Having said that, I'm not asking for such a release since I'm well aware of your generosity with this share. This is more than we all could have wished for.

So again JSS. Thanks a million. This is just great!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 The reason for the drop after 18khz is not "> cd means downgrading quality" it is because of  the mini disc stage which uses lossy compression(think you can only reach 32Khz, could be wrong). Ultimate really would be master> DAT(at least 44.1khz)> CD

Thanks so much for these have waited along time to see these in this quality
Posted by whiskeyjack user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:54:00 AM
Thanks to everybody involved in this! It's AWESOME!!!!
Posted by bruno_facio user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 9:56:00 AM
At least the positive aspect of these not being direct from the master is that QPL can't complain that the best quality copies of these sesisons have been shared for free on the internet.
Let's face it. We are ALL going to go and buy the official release (aren't we folks...) IF it happens, so apart from the odd person who would download the official release for free anyway, it's not as is QPL are going to lose out on any revenue because we have got these. If nothing else, it has just whet our appetite even more for the official product!
Posted by brians wig user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 10:02:00 AM
brians wig wrote:
Again, hugely gratefulI I actually find this quite interesting.
In my 24 years of collecting Queen, I have NEVER heard  (nor come across) these sessions with the crowd dubbed on!
Perhaps it's because the ones I bought on vinyl back in the late 80's (with Session 2), are clean, reasonably good sounding versions and I've not really gone out of my way to look for upgrades...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The versions with crowd overdubs are featured on the Rhapsody In Red boot, as welll as other boots.

Here they are in flac. Just for those who want to know how the old inferior ones sound.

http://rapidshare.com/files/393304691/01._We_Will_Rock_You.flac

http://rapidshare.com/files/393306017/02._It_s_Late.flac
Posted by Marknow user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 10:09:00 AM
We NEED some cover art!!!
Posted by marvinp01 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 10:20:00 AM
A big thank you to all concerned for this one, the quality is amazing. If you put this on and walk into another room it sounds like Queen are playing in your house.
Posted by Jam Monkey user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 10:21:00 AM
just THANKS to you both... really appreciate it !!!
Posted by manlluko user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 10:21:00 AM
whiskeyjack wrote: people on streets wrote: John S Stuart wrote: Negative Creep wrote: Just downloaded - cheers! Although they appear to be lossy (or gone through noise reduction??) - the frequencies cut out at about 18khz?

Lineage: PRO > Analogue 1/4 reel MASTER > MiniDisc > WAV > CD(1) > EAC > WAV > Trader's Little Helper > FLAC level 8

Your observation could well be correct, but there has been no audio tweaking or noise reduction.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "1st Generation Mini-Disc digital copy", rather than direct from "Master Tape".
If the actual "Master" sounds marginally better, it will be made "officially" available to those who need it.

Again, I accept no responsibility for the public disemination of this material!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>

First of all: THANKS A MILLION JSS AND PITTREK,
This is a great share! really great. 

Technically master > minidisc > cd means downgrading quality. The ultimate release would be a master > cd transfer. 

Having said that, I'm not asking for such a release since I'm well aware of your generosity with this share. This is more than we all could have wished for.

So again JSS. Thanks a million. This is just great!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 The reason for the drop after 18khz is not "> cd means downgrading quality" it is because of  the mini disc stage which uses lossy compression(think you can only reach 32Khz, could be wrong). Ultimate really would be master> DAT(at least 44.1khz)> CD

Thanks so much for these have waited along time to see these in this quality

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

i know that smartass.
Posted by people on streets user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 10:30:00 AM
Thank you ever so much to everybody involved!!!

BTW: Artwork can be found at Queenhouse.de, under "Queen live 1973". Just place the cursor over the image, and the back will appear.
Posted by FaBu user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 10:53:00 AM
This is simply fantastic!!!!  Thanks so much to all involved :)))))
Posted by Ginger01 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 11:52:00 AM
Amazing stuff! Well worth the wait! Thank you to our generous benefactor(s) for bringing these gems to us.

 Will you be giving us any more juicy stuff soon, Pittrek?
Posted by Khizzy user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 11:56:00 AM

Brians wig wrote:

CruellaDeVille wrote:

 To all concerned, thank you for bringing this material to life in all it's glory. It takes me back some 30 years (or so) when I played some hashed up version on an LP with fake audience and clapping, but nonetheless blitzed by the energy of it all. Does anyone else just love the way Roger belts out the top harmonies on We will rock you?

Should time and your continued generosity permit, I look forward to any other jewels that you may care to offer. Hangman anyone?
Again, hugely grateful
 

I actually find this quite interesting.
In my 24 years of collecting Queen, I have NEVER heard  (nor come across) these sessions with the crowd dubbed on!
Perhaps it's because the ones I bought on vinyl back in the late 80's (with Session 2), are clean, reasonably good sounding versions and I've not really gone out of my way to look for upgrades...


I have a copy of that session with the fake crowd noise added. It was widely available a few years ago. To say it is shit is an understatement......... the person responsible truly did piss on a picasso........
Posted by Mr Mercury user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:01:00 PM
THANK YOU SO MUCH!

cheers
Posted by greataddict user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:21:00 PM
A million thanks for both of you!! This is really great.
Posted by Bo Alex user is on Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:39:00 PM
All we need is Session 2 in FLAC, and we're completely set*

*Well, complete if John has a lossless copy of "Ogre Battle" with the intro intact :-)
Posted by inu-liger user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 2:46:00 PM
Thanks John for the share & Thanks Peter for the upload!!!!!
Posted by A Word In Your Ear user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 4:15:00 PM
This is truely amazing stuff, thanks for sharing this :-)
Posted by sithmaster34 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 5:16:00 PM
A strange thing: 'We Will Rock You' - the fast section, as officially released on that Sun promo CD, sounds a bit 'Alvin and the Chipmunks'. I checked it and it plays in F sharp major. One would more usually expect it in E major. So I slowed it down about 10 per cent to round about E major and it sounded too slow. So, I tried a really wacky one - F major, in between the two but a very odd key to play the song is (Brian tends to write in 'guitarist's keys' such as A, D and E)... and that fits. Even the drums sound exactly the same as the drums on the rest of the sessions, but the real give away is the voices. So, my guess is they recorded in F (for reasons best known to themselves) then sped it up a semi-tone to make it more 'peppy'. Brian says they sometimes did this - he cited the studio version of 'Another One Bites the Dust' as an example... so, if you want to hear it in the key Queen actually played it in, slow it down about 5 per cent.

Oh, and thank you Pittrek. Thank you so much.
Posted by thomasbirch user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/30/2010 8:16:00 PM
Thank you very much!
Posted by tassilo user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 3:46:00 AM
THANK YOU x million.
Posted by zephead2112 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 6:07:00 AM
This is great - many thanks to John and Pittrek.
Posted by David Jones user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 7:07:00 AM
SO amazing...nothing other to say that thank you...
Posted by Rado user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 7:10:00 AM
Thank you!
Posted by stark user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 7:19:00 AM
Thank you.
Posted by bitesthedust user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 9:21:00 AM
thank You Very Much!
Posted by TheSacrament_Videos user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 9:26:00 AM
Thank you very much! This is awesome! I've been wanting to hear this version of Spread Your Wings in good quality for such a long time.
Posted by Jakobe user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2010 3:37:00 PM
Spread Your Wings here is better than the album version IMO. Like most of these BBC versions it gives the song a new rawness... but defintely more so with SYW. Can't choose between SYW and WQ for my favourite.

Great
Posted by 4 x Vision user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/1/2010 6:05:00 AM
Thanks a million!!!!
Posted by rob s user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/1/2010 8:33:00 AM
Beautiful indeed! Good Heavens, what a great share. Thanks so much for this!
Cheers,
Carsten from Germany
Posted by DaKraut user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/1/2010 11:15:00 AM
Just speechless! Thank you both so much for sharing these sessions.
Posted by TimBHM user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/2/2010 2:49:00 PM
ty
Posted by Rado user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/6/2010 3:11:00 PM
Is the version of We Will Rock You produced by Jeff Griffin available anywhere? I have a copy on an old tape that was broadcast on the last Alan Freeman Rock Show on 26th August 1978, but frustratingly it spanned the end of the tape so it got chopped in two.
I have always thought that the narrative was spoken by Lesley Judd who was a Blue Peter presenter, it sounds like her.

Alan
Posted by Crumpy user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/16/2010 3:48:00 AM
The megaupload link has been blocked...great.
Posted by Vicmbj user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/21/2010 3:53:00 PM
Jon thanks for sharing :)
M
Posted by Marcl user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/23/2010 1:31:00 PM
Crumpy wrote: Is the version of We Will Rock You produced by Jeff Griffin available anywhere? I have a copy on an old tape that was broadcast on the last Alan Freeman Rock Show on 26th August 1978, but frustratingly it spanned the end of the tape so it got chopped in two.
I have always thought that the narrative was spoken by Lesley Judd who was a Blue Peter presenter, it sounds like her.

Alan
The version that was played by Freeman is the one that's on this Session 6 Master

For those who are complaining about the 18kHz cut off, that would be the Lossy compression on the MiniDisc part of the transfer. The Holy Grail of transfers would be: Master Tape --> 192kHz 24-bit PCM --> FLAC compression OR DVD-Audio

Cheers for the upload though, MD is no-where near the worst of the Lossy treatments this COULD have gone through!
Posted by ian_hawdon user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/6/2010 6:37:00 AM
ian_hawdon wrote: Crumpy wrote: Is the version of We Will Rock You produced by Jeff Griffin available anywhere? I have a copy on an old tape that was broadcast on the last Alan Freeman Rock Show on 26th August 1978, but frustratingly it spanned the end of the tape so it got chopped in two.
I have always thought that the narrative was spoken by Lesley Judd who was a Blue Peter presenter, it sounds like her.

Alan
The version that was played by Freeman is the one that's on this Session 6 Master

For those who are complaining about the 18kHz cut off, that would be the Lossy compression on the MiniDisc part of the transfer. The Holy Grail of transfers would be: Master Tape --> 192kHz 24-bit PCM --> FLAC compression OR DVD-Audio

Cheers for the upload though, MD is no-where near the worst of the Lossy treatments this COULD have gone through

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Unless I've missed a negative comment, I haven't seen any complaint about lossiness on this share, maybe someone pointing out lossiness on MD's but that shouldn't be considered a complaint

;-)
Posted by Ale Solan user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/6/2010 1:24:00 PM
Thank you for the whole set of BBC Sessions, John!

It is much appreciated. :)
Posted by DragonflyTrumpeter83 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/6/2010 3:46:00 PM
Thanks to pittrek also!
Posted by DragonflyTrumpeter83 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/6/2010 3:48:00 PM
Is like a dream come true !!!!!!!!!

all these  sessions extracted from the BBC Master Tape are so
amazing .........
MY HUGE GREATFUL to JOHN STUART for the
generosity of share and to Pittrek and Ginger for torrent' ed  !!!!

;-)  ;-)  ;-)
Posted by GuitarMay user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/6/2010 5:57:00 PM
A big THANK YOU  to all of you, for sharing these treasures.

I see it coming... I am not going to sleep tonight...
Posted by dragon67 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/6/2010 6:19:00 PM
Many thanks for this!
Posted by queenfan1976 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 5/31/2011 9:15:00 PM
Would very much like to discuss trading for these files with someone - RapidShare is no more, and it seems that those days are gone now (sorry - could not resist).

As far as the frequency response points go, it would be normal to see roll-off at around 18-20kHz.
In the days when these session files were recorded the analogue consoles used rarely - if ever - were capable of anything over 20Hz to 20kHz resolution. The consoles used at Trident (the A-Range) and the Neves were both capped out at 20kHz maximum, and an awful lot of microphones likewise cannot actually capture anything above 20kHz either - if that high. I've attached the Trident Console user manual, and assure you all the Neve's are the same.

It's a shame they went to miniDisc, which uses ATRAC data reduction, and it is lossy - so even though it is true 24-bit, the actual compression algo used is a lossy, perceptual one.
Posted by neilwilkes user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/1/2012 7:17:00 AM
Great post. Please post more ! We need more quality dialogue like this.

My question is - if the original source couldn't have exceeded 20kHz, then does going to miniDisc really make it that much worse, if at all?

Suppose a direct 16/44 transfer to digital from the master was possible. Wouldn't that make it a mere storage medium, like burning a DVD onto a blu-ray disc ?
Posted by The Real Wizard user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/1/2012 12:55:00 PM
The Real Wizard wrote:
Great post. Please post more ! We need more quality dialogue like this.
My question is - if the original source couldn't have exceeded 20kHz, then does going to miniDisc really make it that much worse, if at all?
Suppose a direct 16/44 transfer to digital from the master was possible. Wouldn't that make it a mere storage medium, like burning a DVD onto a blu-ray disc ?


My copy of BBC Session 6 from Queenzone has lineage that says nothing about Minidisc. Maybe there are (were?) two copies floating around. Full readme.txt attached, lineage listed below:

Lineage

PRO > Analogue MASTER > WAV > CD(1) > EAC > WAV > Trader's Little Helper > FLAC level 8
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/3/2012 5:44:00 PM
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.
Posted by pittrek user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/4/2012 12:53:00 PM
pittrek wrote:
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.


That sounds plausible. I wondered why the other sessions included a MiniDisc stage in the lineage but session 6 didn't, it makes more sense if they're all the same.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/7/2012 6:17:00 AM
pittrek wrote:
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.


???
Why did Dime ban it in the first place?
The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format, so surely they didn't accept it second time around if you'd added that info?
Posted by brians wig user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/7/2012 2:29:00 PM
brians wig wrote:
pittrek wrote:
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.

???
Why did Dime ban it in the first place?
The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format, so surely they didn't accept it second time around if you'd added that info?

The "idiots" at dime are right, check your facts before posting. Minidisc is lossy. Minidisc masters are OK usualy, but analog sources with minidisc steps in lineage are not. It was probably banned from dime because someone did a spectral view and frequency analisis and found it to be lossy.
Posted by MDNA user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/7/2012 3:21:00 PM
MDNA wrote:
brians wig wrote:
pittrek wrote:
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.

???
Why did Dime ban it in the first place?
The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format, so surely they didn't accept it second time around if you'd added that info?

The "idiots" at dime are right, check your facts before posting. Minidisc is lossy. Minidisc masters are OK usualy, but analog sources with minidisc steps in lineage are not. It was probably banned from dime because someone did a spectral view and frequency analisis and found it to be lossy.


When I call the people at Dime "idiots", it's not because they consider Minidisc to be lossy (Which I know it is), but because "idiots" is my personal view of them.
They allow torrents with no lineage, yet they pull torrents that DO have a lineage, regardless of whether the 'lossy' source IS the actual Master or not!

Maybe things have changed in the last few years, but the arseholes there once pulled every single one of my torrents and banned me because I'd been honest and said in the lineage that minidisc was the MASTER source!
As a result of that, I've a number of recordings of other bands from the early 2000's that haven't seen the light of day and will probably remain as such.

Either way, there was no need to tell me to "check my facts before posting": that's what causes people to respond with abuse, especially in this community, but I fully appreciate the fact that you are not English and therefore slightly misunderstood what I had written.
Posted by Roger's Beard user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/7/2012 4:32:00 PM
I may not be a native english speaker, but I do have a good understanding of it.

When someone writes "The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format" it implies that the authour does not consider minidisc to be lossy, hence my remark.

Like I said, check Dime's rules. Minidisc masters are allowed. I uploaded one myself and it is still running.

This is their section of the Wiki dedicated to minidisc:

ATRAC encoding on MiniDiscs is lossy, though generally considered to be less damaging than MP3 encoding. However, it is not possible to write actual ATRAC data as files that can be shared via BitTorrent, so MiniDisc tracks must be dubbed to PCM for torrenting (and then, per DIME policy, compressed without further loss and divided, unless inapplicable, into tracks). DIME will permit such material, provided that it meets all other applicable requirements, when the torrent's lineage information provided by the uploader documents that ...
The original capture from a microphone at the performance was direct to an MD recorder, in either MDSP or MDLP (any better source would have to be from a different capture and therefore the ATRACked version could run as an alternative),
or
An analog source for audio (for example, an FM or TV signal, or an audiocassette, a videotape's audio, or a vinyl platter) was digitized by being dubbed to MD in MDSP — MDLP is unacceptable for this — and no source that is less lossy is available on DIME;

but
An encoding into ATRAC that is preceded anywhere in the lineage by a digitally stored generation disqualifies the material from being shared via DIME.

The foregoing provision applies only to ATRAC encodings. PCM recordings captured in Hi-MD mode on Hi-MD equipment are lossless and should be shared in a lossless compression format and, unless inapplicable, divided into tracks.

Lossy audio material that lacks the required lineage information will not qualify for this variance, and will be treated like any other lossy audio.

Posted by MDNA user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/7/2012 4:54:00 PM
I am told by someone that decodes quadraphonic stuff as a hobby that some or all of this session was broadcast quadraphonic in Matrix H encoding on the Alan Freeman show. Matrix H is hard to decode but he is working on techniques for it. However we don't know if the Matrix H encoded master is the same as the standard one or whether a seperate mix and encode was done for the Alan Freeman show. And even if it is this master, the ATRAC MiniDisc stage may have ruined the Matrix H quad encoding since lossy codecs often throw away phase differences which we can't hear and is how the quad is encoded. Ideally the decode should be done from a lossless transfer of the relevant master.

So can anyone help with:

a) is this the Matrix H quad master, and if so can we get a copy that hasn't been through MiniDisc to decode?

b) if this isn't the Matrix H quad master from the Alan Freeman show, does anyone know of any recordings (master or off air cassette) of that show?

If we could get this decoded it would be the only certain Queen in quadraphonic.

(Rumours persist about Golder's Green Hippodrome aka Pop Spectular being in quad, but the BBC transcription disc label is quite clear in not showing any quad markings. Also my quad contact has decoded Pop Spectacular through an SQ decoder and says it isn't in quad, just quite normal out of phase stuff present which happens quite often.)
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/22/2013 4:09:00 PM
Hmm, looks like no-one knows anything about this.

Not even an off air recording of these tracks from the Alan Freeman show? That would at least have the Matrix H encoding for sure.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/29/2013 10:52:00 AM
Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?
Posted by disco_mart user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 10/10/2013 10:58:00 AM
disco_mart wrote:

Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?


It wasn't a torrent, it was a megaupload files to download. See the first posting of the topic.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 10/10/2013 11:07:00 AM
OwenSmith wrote:

disco_mart wrote:

Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?


It wasn't a torrent, it was a megaupload files to download. See the first posting of the topic.


Ah I see there's a torrent at the bottom of the second page. Whether there are any seeds on it is a different matter, I downloaded the files from an older thread.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 10/10/2013 11:16:00 AM
OwenSmith wrote:

OwenSmith wrote:

disco_mart wrote:

Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?


It wasn't a torrent, it was a megaupload files to download. See the first posting of the topic.


Ah I see there's a torrent at the bottom of the second page. Whether there are any seeds on it is a different matter, I downloaded the files from an older thread.


Yeah I was aware of the Megaupload link but we know what happened there! That would be great but the torrent listed might still be floating around.

Posted by disco_mart user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 10/10/2013 11:56:00 AM
Torrents don't "hang around", you'll always be able to join the torrent. The issue will be whether there are any seeds for it, if not you'd need to post here asking for a re-seed.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 10/10/2013 12:14:00 PM
can i get a reseed please?
Posted by Mrmarioanonym user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/28/2014 4:45:00 PM
Mrmarioanonym wrote:

can i get a reseed please?


here it is, no torrent, this is better...

https://mega.co.nz/#!q5RmlbSb!yTeR1QysyCR4_8PtGKXj86uCuWL_jAVLT7nOQhwFc4Y
Posted by Ale Solan user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/28/2014 6:34:00 PM
thank you. didn't see it in bokkepoot's list.
Posted by Mrmarioanonym user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 6/29/2014 10:07:00 AM
John & Pittrek...so excited to hear this great share. cheers.

YourValentine thx for the torrent
Posted by seagull user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/10/2014 4:04:00 AM
OwenSmith wrote:

Hmm, looks like no-one knows anything about this.

Not even an off air recording of these tracks from the Alan Freeman show? That would at least have the Matrix H encoding for sure.


I tried decoding a bit, and it seems to be encoded with the QS matrix. To decode Matrix H, you phase shift the right channel by +60 degrees and then run it through a QS decoder. Leaving the right channel unchanged did however produce much better results. In the rear channels, there's almost no lead vocal, but the echoed effects during the middle part of It's Late are very clear.

I tried this script:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?5135-Finally-I-decoded-QS-recordings-with-Adobe-Audition&p=47522#post47522

but it seems to be too agressive. Perhaps there's a better one somewhere?

Here's the decoded rear channels of It's Late:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a01euqr9h36tgnt/It%27s%20late%20REAR.ogg

Edit:
Balancing the source better would probably produce better results. I'm not familiar with the compression algorithm of minidiscs, but at least mp3 stores certain frequencies mixed down to mono, which in turn cancels out the sound mixed directly behind the listener.
Posted by teddi2002 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/11/2014 6:14:00 AM
The 2011 remasters bonus tracks still has this quadraphonic encoding.
I did the maths myself and decoded them manually. The results are incredible so far!
Would the decoded tracks be considered official, and thereby not allowed to shared here?
Posted by teddi2002 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/11/2014 9:14:00 AM
teddi2002 wrote:

Would the decoded tracks be considered official, and thereby not allowed to shared here?


No, otherwise they would have been deleted 4 years ago from this thread ;)
Posted by Ale Solan user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/11/2014 10:43:00 AM
teddi2002 wrote:

The 2011 remasters bonus tracks still has this quadraphonic encoding.
I did the maths myself and decoded them manually. The results are incredible so far!
Would the decoded tracks be considered official, and thereby not allowed to shared here?


I sent the 2011 bonus tracks to my quadraphonic contact and he claims they are not quad encoded at all. It is quite common to get a nice effect running stereo sources through a quad decoder due to natural phase changes in the recording. But then you are listening to something in a way that was not intended when it was recorded. Your choice, but not true quadraphonic.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/15/2014 8:18:00 AM
teddi2002 wrote:

I tried decoding a bit, and it seems to be encoded with the QS matrix. To decode Matrix H, you phase shift the right channel by +60 degrees and then run it through a QS decoder. Leaving the right channel unchanged did however produce much better results. In the rear channels, there's almost no lead vocal, but the echoed effects during the middle part of It's Late are very clear.


The 60 degrees phase shift is a hack to get something from a QS decoder, but it isn't a true decode of Matrix H. If you want to hear some true decodes of the small amount of Matrix H material available try this blog:

http://dreamingspiresquadarchive.wordpress.com/
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/15/2014 8:22:00 AM
I did a bit of reading in to it, more precisely http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1974-29.pdf and http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1977-02.pdf, and the "60 degree hack" is clearly documented in the latter report (page 5 and onwards). It is stated to produce slightly better results (closer to original quadraphonic mix) than a simple "proper" linear Matrix H decode.

According to my analysis, neither this share or the 2011 remasters (which should be the same mix) contain any indication of Matrix H encoded material. A pure QS 'logical' decode did produce some interesting results, which could be entirely coincidental as you said, but shouldn't SQ and Matrix H decoding also produce some interesting sounds in that case?
Posted by teddi2002 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/18/2014 7:15:00 PM
Good detective work.

This once led to a really discussion about the Golders Green Hippodrome 9-13-73 material..

Let's see what happens here..
Posted by The Real Wizard user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/19/2014 1:26:00 AM
teddi2002 wrote:

I did a bit of reading in to it, more precisely http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1974-29.pdf and http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1977-02.pdf, and the "60 degree hack" is clearly documented in the latter report (page 5 and onwards). It is stated to produce slightly better results (closer to original quadraphonic mix) than a simple "proper" linear Matrix H decode.

According to my analysis, neither this share or the 2011 remasters (which should be the same mix) contain any indication of Matrix H encoded material. A pure QS 'logical' decode did produce some interesting results, which could be entirely coincidental as you said, but shouldn't SQ and Matrix H decoding also produce some interesting sounds in that case?


For sure, it is fun to play with quadrophonic decoding.
Even in the most happy situation (also the most unlikely one) - when the material is quad encoded and you find the correct decoding matrix - don't expect to a breathtaking surround experience. The only benefit will be a properly restored stereo image.
But if the original material has no obvious stereo compatibility issues, like in this case, there is nothing to restore.
Posted by aristide1 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/19/2014 4:31:00 AM


The Real Wizard wrote: Good detective work.

This once led to a really discussion about the Golders Green Hippodrome 9-13-73 material..

Let's see what happens here..


Indeed. The Golders Green concert is very likely SQ-encoded, as is documented here: http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadradi.htm#bbcsps and here: http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/Queen-BBC%20Presents.mp3.

But I've yet to find any indication or documentation pointing to this recording beeing recorded and broadcast in quadraphonic sound.
Posted by teddi2002 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/19/2014 7:23:00 AM
Thanks!
Posted by Unniendo user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/20/2014 5:58:00 AM
teddi2002 wrote:
Indeed. The Golders Green concert is very likely SQ-encoded, as is documented here: http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadradi.htm#bbcsps and here: http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/Queen-BBC%20Presents.mp3.

But I've yet to find any indication or documentation pointing to this recording beeing recorded and broadcast in quadraphonic sound.


The online lists of quad discography are notoriously inaccurate, listing things as quad that aren't and omitting many things that are.

The last time Golder's Green came up I posted a picture in that thread of the BBC transcription disc for that concert. The disc label does not say SQ, so it's not SQ or any other quad encoded. The BBC transcription disc service were very careful about labelling and archives, in many cases the transcriptiom service archives are the only copies that remain at the BBC.

Also my friend who runs the qaud blog I linked to above tried a decode of Golders Green from several sources and could detect no quad encoding.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/20/2014 8:46:00 AM
teddi2002 wrote:

I did a bit of reading in to it, more precisely http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1974-29.pdf and http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1977-02.pdf, and the "60 degree hack" is clearly documented in the latter report (page 5 and onwards). It is stated to produce slightly better results (closer to original quadraphonic mix) than a simple "proper" linear Matrix H decode.

According to my analysis, neither this share or the 2011 remasters (which should be the same mix) contain any indication of Matrix H encoded material. A pure QS 'logical' decode did produce some interesting results, which could be entirely coincidental as you said, but shouldn't SQ and Matrix H decoding also produce some interesting sounds in that case?


The 60 degree QS thing is a hack. Yes it might have given the best results in 1977 with hardware decoders but things have moved on. My friend decodes things in software, where modern techniques can do much better phase shifts and channel seperation etc. than 1970s analogue hardware could ever achieve.

Good that you agree this is not Matrix H encoded. As I understand it the Matrix H broadcast was a separate remix done by Tony Wilson exlcusively for the Alan Freeman show. We're looking for different master tapes or an off air recording. Whether they still exist anywhere is doubtful.

Why does QS give a nice effect when SQ or Matrix H don't? Just chance based on what is in the original recording I suspect, depending on what is out of phase with what else.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/20/2014 8:53:00 AM


OwenSmith wrote:
teddi2002 wrote:
Indeed. The Golders Green concert is very likely SQ-encoded, as is documented here: http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadradi.htm#bbcsps and here: http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/Queen-BBC%20Presents.mp3.

But I've yet to find any indication or documentation pointing to this recording beeing recorded and broadcast in quadraphonic sound.


The online lists of quad discography are notoriously inaccurate, listing things as quad that aren't and omitting many things that are.

The last time Golder's Green came up I posted a picture in that thread of the BBC transcription disc for that concert. The disc label does not say SQ, so it's not SQ or any other quad encoded. The BBC transcription disc service were very careful about labelling and archives, in many cases the transcriptiom service archives are the only copies that remain at the BBC.

Also my friend who runs the qaud blog I linked to above tried a decode of Golders Green from several sources and could detect no quad encoding.


So I suppose that the announcer is lying about the concert being "broadcast in stereo and compatible SQ quad"? Or you claim that this is a fake announcement?
I think it's very clear that the concert was broadcast in SQ encoded quadraphonic sound - at least in the 1975/09/13 broadcast.
I believe it's unreasonable to claim that 'natural phase shifts' cause the guitar to be panned as accordingly as it is. Phase differences due to mic placement on a guitar amplifier can't phase shift the entire frequency spectrum equally (except for 180 degrees, which is not the case here).
Posted by teddi2002 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 7/20/2014 4:33:00 PM
The question now becomes how do we get hold of a recording that is from the 1975/09/13 broadcast and no other source. The best source is the transcription disc but that is not labelled as SQ and doesn't decode.
Posted by OwenSmith user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 8/16/2014 7:56:00 PM
Posted by Supertalez user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 8/21/2019 3:54:00 PM
Can We Get A Re post Please
Posted by Supertalez user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 8/21/2019 3:56:00 PM
Not likely as it's been officially released in the meantime. Queen On Air boxset.
Posted by Stick user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 8/21/2019 4:34:00 PM
Correct. Please buy it
Posted by pittrek user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 8/21/2019 5:45:00 PM