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Working good :)

Live FM Broadcast -> Chrome Cassete -> PRO Audio CD -> .wav -> Lossless 7 FLAC v. 1.4

Set List:

01 - We Will Rock You
02 - Let me Entertain You
03 - Play the Game
04 - Somebody to Love
05 - I´m in Love With my Car
06 - Get Down, Make Love
07 - I Need Your Love Tonight
08 - Save Me (Falha de transmissão)
09 - Now I´m Here
10 - Dragon Attack
11 - Fat Bottomed Girls
12 - Love of my Life
13 - Keep Yourself Alive
14 - Drum Solo
15 - Guitar Solo
16 - Flash
17 - Crazy Little Thing Called Love
18 - Bohemian Rhapsody
19 - Tie Mother Down
20 - Another One Bites the Dust (defeito na fita)
21 - Sheer Heart Attack (defeito na fita)
22 - We Will Rock You (defeito na fita)
23 - We Are the Champions (defeito na fita)
24 - Entevista Freddie Mercury
25 - Entevista Brian May
26 - Entrevista John Deacon
27 - Entrevista Roger Taylor
28 - Entrevista Tour Manager
Posted by lbarziuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/11/2007 11:20:00 PM
Thanks, but can you post in mediafire or rapidshare? Thanks again.!
Posted by seba_79user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/12/2007 3:23:00 AM
Nicly done Ibarzi...lossless aswell :)
Posted by 928user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/12/2007 4:08:00 AM

seba_79 wrote:

Thanks, but can you post in mediafire or rapidshare? Thanks again.!

Give the man a break, he just posted the whole thing on our own tracker. Someone else might upload the show using mediafire.
Posted by TheGameuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/12/2007 5:47:00 AM

928 wrote:

Nicly done Ibarzi...lossless aswell :)


Hey man, sounds somehow like a friendly word from yours, are you feeling well?
Posted by frank39user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/12/2007 11:11:00 AM

frank39 wrote:

928 wrote:

Nicly done Ibarzi...lossless aswell :)


Hey man, sounds somehow like a friendly word from yours, are you feeling well?


Everyone sees the friendly me when its done properly frank hehe....you should know that ;)
Posted by 928user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/12/2007 12:04:00 PM
Wow, lbarzi... this is truly incredible. It sounds about as good as an official release. It's even better than the 1984 re-broadcast.

Thanks a million for putting this one out there.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/13/2007 2:22:00 PM
Really, Bob? Is it the true stereo source? The true stereo source is easily recognizable on the NIH intro ('Now I'm Here' / ´Now I'm There´ on left/right channels). If yes I'm tempted to download it :)
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/13/2007 3:06:00 PM
I was downloading this from mininova, but it was very slow, so i moved here... but where is the seeder?

Thank you for this one.
Posted by Marugauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/13/2007 6:42:00 PM

<b><font color="blue">Mr. Farenheit wrote:

I was downloading this from mininova, but it was very slow, so i moved here... but where is the seeder?

Thank you for this one.


Same sentiments here. Seeder keeps appearing and disappearing regularly and the download seems fairly slow. But I'll stick with it - I'm sure it'll be worth it.
Posted by dogwithaboneuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/13/2007 9:07:00 PM

<b><font color="blue">Mr. Farenheit wrote:

I was downloading this from mininova, but it was very slow, so i moved here... but where is the seeder?

Thank you for this one.


Same sentiments here. Seeder keeps appearing and disappearing regularly and the download seems fairly slow. But I'll stick with it - I'm sure it'll be worth it.
Thanks to Ibarzi for the QZ upload.
Posted by dogwithaboneuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/13/2007 9:08:00 PM
Thanks for the upload, looking forward to hear it.

Right now I counted 26 peers with 37% and none above it, which means many of us are in need of seeding, but I guess we can wait. :)

Cheers,

Ogre-
Posted by Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveirauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/13/2007 10:32:00 PM
We can wait - probably will be worth. Stuck at 45%
Posted by Madmanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/15/2007 5:08:00 AM
thanks!
Posted by starkuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/15/2007 1:55:00 PM
Thanks for sharing :)
Posted by deacontheoneuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/15/2007 3:13:00 PM
Many thanks.
Posted by Hippolyteuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/17/2007 7:24:00 AM
Thank you very much! One of my absolute favourites with even better sound? Fantastic!
Posted by Nummer2 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/17/2007 10:09:00 AM

Queenland wrote:

Really, Bob? Is it the true stereo source? The true stereo source is easily recognizable on the NIH intro ('Now I'm Here' / ´Now I'm There´ on left/right channels). If yes I'm tempted to download it :)


I can't tell, because the download hasn't completed... I'm not able to listen to more than 10 seconds of each song. I'm at about 72%. When my download is finished and I've listened to the show, as usual you can expect a review of the recording from me. :)

Do you have that master from Jovem Pan 2 FM, by the way?
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/17/2007 12:01:00 PM
> Do you have that master from Jovem Pan 2 FM, by the way?

I had a copy, not a master directly recorded from the radio.As it was broadcasted LIVE by Jovem Pan 2 FM, I was obviously not at home to record it ;-)
But when it was rebroadcasted in 1984 by Bandeirantes FM, I discarded my first-generation JP2 tape, not realizing at the time that the Jovem Pan 2 souce was true stereo and Bandeirantes wasn't :-/
And that was not my first mistake: I also erased my audience tape of 20/03 when I got the JP2 broadcast!
(But that one was on awful quality, not a big loss)
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/17/2007 1:16:00 PM
Thou shalt be forgiven, Henrique :)

Abraço,

Ogre-
Posted by Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveirauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/17/2007 1:44:00 PM
Thanks!
Posted by fernando_salesuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/17/2007 2:40:00 PM

Queenland wrote:

I also erased my audience tape of 20/03 when I got the JP2 broadcast!
(But that one was on awful quality, not a big loss)


Still, it's interesting, for those of us who are completists. Did you record it yourself at the concert (you were 16, so it's possible)? If not, then technically there should be other copies out there. There are small parts cut from the radio recordings and videos, so it would be nice to have an audience recording to fill in those gaps.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/17/2007 3:32:00 PM
RESEED RESEED...PLEASE :-)
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/18/2007 4:18:00 AM
> Did you record it yourself at the concert (you were 16, so it's possible)?

The recording was done by a friend who went to the concert with me, but I don't think there are surviving copies around (at least I never saw it on anyone's list).I lost contact with the taper when he moved to Japan in the mid-80's.However, I will ask a friend if he has it (the only person who might still have it appart from me, IF he got a copy from the taper).If I locate it I will let you know, but don't hold your breath...
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/18/2007 8:56:00 AM
Alright, great... thanks for trying!
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/18/2007 11:32:00 AM
strange..i can't play these flac's. I use winamp and never had problems at all. Does anybody having the same problems??

Thanks for sharing!!
Posted by Cygnus X-1user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/18/2007 1:13:00 PM
The files do seem to be a bit bigger than usual... about the size of WAV files.

I can't get EAC to do a frequency analysis, but they play fine in WinAmp for me!

Almost done... 97%.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/18/2007 5:51:00 PM
The seeder is gone :(... but at least those who we have more downloaded can help the others who has less.
Posted by Marugauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/18/2007 6:41:00 PM
I've been "trying" to download this for 7 days straight...I'm only at 60.4%...think I'm gonna give up soon...
Posted by Queen Tuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/18/2007 10:41:00 PM
I'm at 97.8% and seeding to dozens of peers, but only 2 active. DL rate is almost zero, but there's activity. Maybe from fellow 97.8%ers.
Posted by Nummer2 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 3:43:00 AM
Cygnus I have the same problem..I converted the files in wav..but windows media player can't read they...It's very strange..with Itunes I can hear only noise..can somebody help me?? thx's!
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 7:29:00 AM
After 8 days of patient downloading I am finished, thanks so much for your patientence, Ibarzi. Like other people I cannot play the files in Winamp, any help is appreciated.
Posted by YourValentineuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 7:44:00 AM
..and I can't also bring those files to cd-r..
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 7:49:00 AM
Problems for me too. I use Nero 6 to play FLAC but for some reason won't play these.
Posted by dogwithaboneuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 8:05:00 AM
I use VUPlayer... IMO the best (and simpliest!) player available and these files play without any problems.
Posted by Mr. Scullyuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 8:37:00 AM
These flac's are big... maybe they are encodet @24bit?? I had the same problem with DVD Audio extractor, I encodet some audio stuff at 24bit sample rate and they won't play either. Maybe it's my crappy onboard-soundcard... For those with the same problems: what soundcards do you use?
Posted by Cygnus X-1user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 8:47:00 AM
Thanks a lot for this. Appreciated.

It also plays with earlier versions of Winamp with Flac frontend.

Edit: Great version of Need your Loving Tonight.....!!
Posted by pow wowuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 8:48:00 AM
I downloaded VUplayer, the files play great in Vuplayer, thanks for the tip, Martin. The quality is amazing. Now - how do we burn an audio CD?:)
Posted by YourValentineuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 9:08:00 AM
Ok..but I want to bring the show on cd-r..nero can't do that..I need something like a plug-in..any ideas??
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 9:09:00 AM
For some reason I am now able to convert the flacs to wav with FlacFrontend. The files don't fit on 2 CDs but I don't mind, they are worth 3 discs:)
Posted by YourValentineuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 9:24:00 AM
Thank you very much.
Posted by PBBuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 9:27:00 AM

Mr. Scully wrote:

I use VUPlayer... IMO the best (and simpliest!) player available and these files play without any problems.


Works fine :-) thanks for info!
Posted by Cygnus X-1user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 9:32:00 AM
How can I use flac fronted to convert flac in wav and than burn a cd?
:-( I've never used this program befor..
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 10:09:00 AM
Ok, my first words of "crictics".
This broadcast is still strange for my ears for some reasons (mostly blames of radio):
- intro for WWRY fast missing
- the same old small cut before STL (am I wrong or it's just Freddie's mic ?)
- missing Freddie's improvisation on NIH (tape was changed ?)
- fade out/in beetwen TYMD/AOBTD
- where is GSTQ ? WATCH ended with small fade out
But it's not so importand to much.
Seems to be real stereo. I don't compare quality yet with 1984 rebroadcast but at know is for sure excellent - read incredible, awesome, fabulous - and Queen still rock :D THANKS lbarzi !

Much better x100 then old "96min version" of that from radio and Gypsy Eye release (from video). It's realy master copy. Very clear.
Why QP don't release this officialy ? Roger T. probably will be satisfied with this unlike to Live Killers album :)

I don't have a problem to play this - I use foobar 0.9.4.2 (ps. the best player in the world ;) )
Posted by Madmanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 10:18:00 AM
Posted by YourValentineuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 10:23:00 AM
Thank's but I can decode flac to wav..I've got easy audio converter pro..after this..nero doesn't accept those files..
Anyway thank you very much for help! :-)
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 10:41:00 AM
Any idea about second gig in Sao Paulo - did radio broadcasted full gig or only some very short part what we have ? Audience recording is so poor :(
Antonio do You know somethinks more about that ?
Posted by Madmanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 10:52:00 AM
How can I convert these flac onto mp3?

.......hey, just kidding, ok?

Seriously, I just can´t burn. Nero says "these WAV files are protected...". What I have to do?

Any idea? Thanks!
Posted by fernando_salesuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 2:57:00 PM
Me too Fernando..It's all day that I'm trying..but nothing..
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 3:20:00 PM

YourValentine wrote:

For some reason I am now able to convert the flacs to wav with FlacFrontend. The files don't fit on 2 CDs but I don't mind, they are worth 3 discs:)


They're 24-bit WAV files... so will they lose quality if they're converted to 16-bit?
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 4:21:00 PM

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

For some reason I am now able to convert the flacs to wav with FlacFrontend. The files don't fit on 2 CDs but I don't mind, they are worth 3 discs:)


They're 24-bit WAV files... so will they lose quality if they're converted to 16-bit?


Its going to be lossy (ie information will be lost during the transformation to 16bit)... now a real dilemma for you... :)
Posted by Miklosuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 4:38:00 PM
Hmmmmmm...

So yeah, in this case, we'll have to keep the FLACs as they are if they are to remain truly lossless.

Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps as described by Madman above (thanks for that, Luke!), and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to.

Opinions?

In addition to the cuts noted above, there's also one during Get Down Make Love, at the end of the middle part. But that's the way the original broadcast was. I've had a higher gen copy of this broadcast for years, and the same cut is there.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 5:05:00 PM

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Hmmmmmm...

So yeah, in this case, we'll have to keep the FLACs as they are if they are to remain truly lossless.

Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps as described by Madman above (thanks for that, Luke!), and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to.

Opinions?

In addition to the cuts noted above, there's also one during Get Down Make Love, at the end of the middle part.


Im sure most like me have fullfaith in what you can do with it, if you can put it all together that would be great.
Posted by Padillauser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 6:53:00 PM
Hi, Fellas!

You´re welcome, I´ll find some rare things like this.

But, PLEASE, keep seeding after finish the download, help me to keep this on much time is possible.
Posted by lbarziuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/19/2007 9:29:00 PM

lbarzi wrote:

But, PLEASE, keep seeding after finish the download, help me to keep this on much time is possible.


I am, I am!
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 1:48:00 AM
Thanks for sharing.
Posted by dammattuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 1:55:00 AM
Oh Yeah I'm keep to seeding since 17/04..but I'm a little bit sad because I try with anyway to edit these files but without succes...24-bit big noise; 16-bit big noise..like a train..well..I must wait for an helpin' hand!"
:-)
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 2:27:00 AM
Thank-you from me too! :o)
Posted by such_a_jollificationuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 2:56:00 AM

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Hmmmmmm...

So yeah, in this case, we'll have to keep the FLACs as they are if they are to remain truly lossless.

Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps as described by Madman above (thanks for that, Luke!), and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to.

Opinions?


Obviously you cannot burn a standard audio CD from 24 bit WAV files, as the audio CD standard is 16 bit 44 khz. 24 bit wordlenght is used when transferring analog sources, because it allows for a better approximation to the original source than mastering @ 16 bit, i.e. better quality.

In order to burn an audio CD from 24 bit files you need to convert them to 16 bit in a process called 'dithering'. Any decent audio editing program can do this, but there is definately a big difference in quality between dithering schemes. In any case dithering means loss of audio information, i.e. it's lossy so to speak, but since 16 bit is still the accepted quality standard, it should be ok to convert them to 16 bit. 24 bit is the standard for DVD-Audio, but there are still very few people who have the proper playback equipement to benefit from the quality improvement of 24 bit.

So IMO the original 24 bit files should be archived until more people can handle them properly and for now a patched 16 bit version should be created.
Posted by tilomagnetuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 4:38:00 AM

YourValentine wrote:

For some reason I am now able to convert the flacs to wav with FlacFrontend. The files don't fit on 2 CDs but I don't mind, they are worth 3 discs:)


3 discs? Are you sure?
I converted mine and burned them in 2 discs.

WAV 2117 kb/s
44100 HZ

Take care
Posted by Bobby_brownuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 5:20:00 AM
Can you recommend good dithering software, then? I always keep the original downloaded files for reseeding but I like audio CDs for easy playing away from the PC.
Posted by YourValentineuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 5:21:00 AM
I had no problems at all burning the files to cd. I used Toast 7.01 on a Mac. It was done without any recompiling, dithering or converting. The cds (2, by the way) play fine on my car stereo,

The sound quality is sure excellent, but as someone else earlier said, it's a bit "strange". The sound is extraordinarily clear, but it lacks a bit of punch, and it sounds very narrow. I only listened to it in my car so far, but it seems to be a bit louder on the left speaker. What this recording needs is a slight EQ imo. But of course I won't do that ... because I'm too lazy ;-)
Posted by Nummer2 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 5:26:00 AM

YourValentine wrote:

Can you recommend good dithering software, then? I always keep the original downloaded files for reseeding but I like audio CDs for easy playing away from the PC.


CoolEdit or similar software
Posted by Miklosuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 6:12:00 AM

Nummer2 wrote:

I had no problems at all burning the files to cd. I used Toast 7.01 on a Mac. It was done without any recompiling, dithering or converting. The cds (2, by the way) play fine on my car stereo,


That is because the files got dithered "on-the-fly" so to speak during the burning process, meaning they were truncated from 24 bit to 16 bit simply by discarding the last 8 bits. It may still sound decent, but that's an inferior copy you have for sure.
Posted by tilomagnetuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 6:29:00 AM
FINALLY I GOT IT!!!
16-bit wav


anyway..I'm still seeding!

Bye :-)
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 7:47:00 AM

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:


Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps (...) and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to.

Opinions?

In addition to the cuts noted above, there's also one during Get Down Make Love, at the end of the middle part. But that's the way the original broadcast was. I've had a higher gen copy of this broadcast for years, and the same cut is there.

Another great compilation from Bob factory :) ? I will wait for that =D
I'm wonder why this cuts are there ? Is this a reason to say that this was broadcasted not live = bit later then concert started (the same day but in different time or next day) or what ? :/
Posted by Madmanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 8:04:00 AM
Wow! Thanks for sharing this gem! Sounds even better than the 1984 rebroadcast.

However, from Another One Bites The Dust 'till the end of the show the quality is not the same. Maybe this bit comes from a different source?

For converting, I use a program called "dB power amp" It converts any file to any format you want (for some files you'll need to download a plugin)
Posted by onevsionuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 10:29:00 AM
I use U-torrent...is there a reason why it's taken me 8 days to download and I'm still only at 60%? Am I doing something wrong?
Posted by Queen Tuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 10:35:00 AM
@tilomagnet

Is the difference audible? Not to common ears I think. What would be the best way to get the files on a cd? I don't think there's an alternative. Of course you could use a profesional tool to "dither" the files fom 24bit to 16bit if you're an audio freak.

But to maintain the original sound quality it sure would be best to spread the files in the original 24bit fomat – if it really IS the original format.
Posted by Nummer2 user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 10:43:00 AM
Posted by alexmax87user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 12:15:00 PM

tilomagnet wrote:

Obviously you cannot burn a standard audio CD from 24 bit WAV files, as the audio CD standard is 16 bit 44 khz. 24 bit wordlenght is used when transferring analog sources, because it allows for a better approximation to the original source than mastering @ 16 bit, i.e. better quality.

In order to burn an audio CD from 24 bit files you need to convert them to 16 bit in a process called 'dithering'. Any decent audio editing program can do this, but there is definately a big difference in quality between dithering schemes. In any case dithering means loss of audio information, i.e. it's lossy so to speak, but since 16 bit is still the accepted quality standard, it should be ok to convert them to 16 bit. 24 bit is the standard for DVD-Audio, but there are still very few people who have the proper playback equipement to benefit from the quality improvement of 24 bit.

So IMO the original 24 bit files should be archived until more people can handle them properly and for now a patched 16 bit version should be created.


Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!

Since this is just a radio recording, is there enough audio information within it to even use up all 24 bits of sound? I converted mine to 16-bit, and I honestly did not notice the difference.

Madman wrote:

Another great compilation from Bob factory :) ? I will wait for that =D


Ha ha... you bet!

I'm wonder why this cuts are there ? Is this a reason to say that this was broadcasted not live = bit later then concert started (the same day but in different time or next day) or what ? :/


My best guess is the person who recorded it had to flip their tape.

Ducksoup wrote:

However, from Another One Bites The Dust 'till the end of the show the quality is not the same. Maybe this bit comes from a different source?


Maybe they used a worse quality tape to record the encores, or the tape just didn't keep well over the years.

Now, I have to ask Ibarzi... how did you manage to create FLAC files that were as big as WAV files?
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 12:22:00 PM

Nummer2 wrote:

@tilomagnet

Is the difference audible? Not to common ears I think.


Whether you can hear a difference,... well, it all depends on your playback equipement. When listening with $ 30 computer speakers I can't even tell the difference between an audio CD and a (properly encoded) 128 kb/s mp3. On my current playback system, which is quite good, but not really high end, the difference is huge.

I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.

Nummer2 wrote:


What would be the best way to get the files on a cd? I don't think there's an alternative. Of course you could use a profesional tool to "dither" the files fom 24bit to 16bit if you're an audio freak.


Audacity, for example, is a free audio editor that offers decent dithering schemes. Of course there are better (and more expensive) solutions, but it's definately much better than just have your burning program cut those additional 8 bits.

Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.


Nummer2 wrote:


But to maintain the original sound quality it sure would be best to spread the files in the original 24bit fomat – if it really IS the original format.


I can't agree more!
Posted by tilomagnetuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 2:15:00 PM

tilomagnet wrote:

I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah, that could be what I'm getting then. Btw, your post is above my last one... maybe you missed it for some reason!

Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.


Well, I'm working on the mix of the 2 sources as we speak. When I share it, I'll include in the notes and lineage that I dummed it down from 24 to 16 bit. At the moment, I really don't think there is another way to do a mix without losing that bit of quality... if anything is lost at all... re: my above question about radio quality in the first place.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 3:51:00 PM

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

tilomagnet wrote:

I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah, that could be what I'm getting then. Btw, your post is above my last one... maybe you missed it for some reason!

Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.


Well, I'm working on the mix of the 2 sources as we speak. When I share it, I'll include in the notes and lineage that I dummed it down from 24 to 16 bit. At the moment, I really don't think there is another way to do a mix without losing that bit of quality... if anything is lost at all... re: my above question about radio quality in the first place.


Bob ,if you want to keep exactly what you've got.
Do the lot as 24bit & then author it as a DVD-A.
If one of the sources is 16 bit ,you wont lose anything by bloating that source but you will if you lower the 24bit.
As true DVD audio is 24bit it will play in standalones no prob.

You can swap the audio over from any original audio in authoring programs & then author it as a you would all other DVDs.. with chapters etc.
You could use a documentary,make a slide show or something just so there's something for the eyes while its playing,but that doesn't matter.

Just a suggestion to keep the integrity
Posted by 928user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 8:09:00 PM
Edit:double post
Posted by 928user not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/20/2007 8:10:00 PM

928 wrote:


Bob ,if you want to keep exactly what you've got.
Do the lot as 24bit & then author it as a DVD-A.
If one of the sources is 16 bit ,you wont lose anything by bloating that source but you will if you lower the 24bit.
As true DVD audio is 24bit it will play in standalones no prob.

You can swap the audio over from any original audio in authoring programs & then author it as a you would all other DVDs.. with chapters etc.
You could use a documentary,make a slide show or something just so there's something for the eyes while its playing,but that doesn't matter.

Just a suggestion to keep the integrity


You are not talking about an actual DVD-Audio, but you mean a Video DVD. 'True' DVD-A has a different structure, where the information is stored in the Audio_TS folder of the DVD and there is no video stream at all. The playback for these kind of DVDs is still rare, and they won't play in your standard DVD player.

However as you mentioned there is the possibility to author a Video DVD with 24 bit audio using a black screen, a slideshow or something like that as video stream. These discs will indeed play in most DVD players, but there is the problem again that most consumer players will dither the output to 16 bit (since most Video DVDs are 16 bit 48 khz, the industry obviously saw no reason to allow true 24 bit playback) and you'll get a lot of people bitching again that 24 bit was a waste of space.

Bob, I'd say create a patched version of the show using the original 24 bit files of the main source (the patch source needs to be uprendered to 24 bit in the process) and archive this version. Then dither this source compilation to 16 bit and re-torrent it.

Once there really is a demand for 24 bit files, you can post the original 24 bit compilation you made and since you archived the compilation you won't even have to redo the patch job then.
Posted by tilomagnetuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 2:13:00 AM
Are the postings completely out of order or am I doing something wrong?
Posted by tilomagnetuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 4:57:00 AM

tilomagnet wrote:

Are the postings completely out of order or am I doing something wrong?


Nah! Einstein explained time distortion. You´re just answering before SirGH even ask! ; )

Now seriously, sometimes the Queenzone board messes up the order of the replys. That´s what happened here.

Take care
Posted by Bobby_brownuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 6:31:00 AM
When you do the mix, if you're editing out some of the presentor speeches (from one source or the other), what about adding them at the end of CD2 as "bonus"? At least to us brazilians they are very important!
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 7:05:00 AM

Madman wrote:

Any idea about second gig in Sao Paulo - did radio broadcasted full gig or only some very short part what we have ? Audience recording is so poor :(
Antonio do You know somethinks more about that ?


Radio broadcasted only that part, and I never located a better source. I had to copy it from someone (I wasn't at home to record the live broadcast, you know ;-).These live broadcasts are hard to find because almost everybody who would bother to record them from the radio were... at the stadium!
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 7:11:00 AM
Wait, wait...
Just finished the download, and listened a few bits.
My first impressions are:

1.It is not the true stereo source from JP2.That is easy to spot just listening the NIH intro. In fact, from the small bits I heard, it sounds flat mono to me.
2.The interviews at the end to my knowledge were never aired on radio, only on TV. That leads me to think that this source might be from... the TV broadcast...!?

Again, I just listened only a few minutes. If there is a presentor somewhere, please let me know and I will listen to that part to try to identify the broadcast source.
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 7:28:00 AM
'Radio dj' in some tracks (examples):
- STL 4:57
- Save Me 4:50
- Dragon Attack 3:29
Posted by Madmanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 7:58:00 AM
Thanks!

The source is the TV Bandeirantes Live Broadcast (mono).
That presentor was Hilton Gomes (who already passed away).He worked for Bandeirantes TV since the sixties and was the same man who interviewed the band backstage on TV.
This is the most complete video souce (full GDML for example, which is cut on all rebroadcasts).
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 8:32:00 AM

tilomagnet wrote:

Bob, I'd say create a patched version of the show using the original 24 bit files of the main source (the patch source needs to be uprendered to 24 bit in the process) and archive this version. Then dither this source compilation to 16 bit and re-torrent it.

Once there really is a demand for 24 bit files, you can post the original 24 bit compilation you made and since you archived the compilation you won't even have to redo the patch job then.


Excellent suggestion. That's exactly what I'll do... :)

It actually turns out that the 1984 radio re-broadcast sounds a bit better. One of the channels was weak (but it's a mono recording, anyway), so I copied the right channel over to the left, and suddenly it sounded much better! So, the re-broadcast will be the primary source, and I will use this TV source to fill in the many gaps.

Queenland wrote:

When you do the mix, if you're editing out some of the presentor speeches (from one source or the other), what about adding them at the end of CD2 as "bonus"? At least to us brazilians they are very important!


No, I definitely won't edit it out! It'll run in real time.

The source is the TV Bandeirantes Live Broadcast (mono).
That presentor was Hilton Gomes (who already passed away).He worked for Bandeirantes TV since the sixties and was the same man who interviewed the band backstage on TV.
This is the most complete video souce (full GDML for example, which is cut on all rebroadcasts).


Perfect.

Thanks everyone for the info and help!
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 10:55:00 AM

It actually turns out that the 1984 radio re-broadcast sounds a bit better. One of the channels was weak (but it's a mono recording, anyway), so I copied the right channel over to the left,


Hmmmm... I'm not sure if you should do that. The TV source is definitely mono, but I think that the 1984 radio broadcast has slightly different right/left channels. A spatial effect or something. Not a true stereo sound as JP2 source, but I think it's not a flat mono recording.
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/21/2007 6:45:00 PM
Honestly, I think it's a lot better when you remove the left channel. It's a bit harsh on the ears otherwise... even if it's not a fully mono recording.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/22/2007 12:35:00 AM
I have located a person who still have a tape of the true stereo JP2 source and he has sent me a sample.

His copy is unfortunately not a master recorded directly from the radio but here it is his sample, just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

http://rapidshare.com/files/24677639/Now_I_m_Here.wav.html
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/22/2007 6:57:00 PM
Queenland - is this guy will be wanted to share with us this recording ?
I suppose quality isn't will be so so so good but I personally collecting every stuff - from different sources (even in worser quality)
Posted by Madmanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/23/2007 10:56:00 AM
Unfortunately no, he needs something for this recording that I also do not have.
Posted by Queenlanduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/23/2007 3:15:00 PM

Queenland wrote:

Unfortunately no, he needs something for this recording that I also do not have.


Forget it then. Great, we know the recording exists. It's stereo, but it's still inferior. I'm much happier to have the excellent mono recording from someone who shared it out of generosity, anyway.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/24/2007 1:06:00 AM
Exactly Bob, I have the same feelings =)
Posted by Madmanuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/24/2007 10:14:00 AM
Someone, please let me know if I'm doing something wrong...have been downloading non-stop for 2 weeks now and am only at 68%...I use Utorrent...anybody know what could be the issue? Of course there are no seeders but plenty of peers...sometimes I don't always understand how this whole torrent thing works...
Posted by Queen Tuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/24/2007 7:34:00 PM
I'm seeding.

Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/24/2007 11:28:00 PM

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

I'm seeding.

Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!


Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?
Posted by Queen Tuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/25/2007 11:21:00 AM

TigersEye wrote:

Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?


If it was just Queenzone torrents, then definitely not. But if you were downloading stuff from some other torrent site, then it's possible.
Posted by The Real Wizarduser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/25/2007 2:11:00 PM

TigersEye wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

I'm seeding.

Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!


Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?


I´ve had that happening to me a couple of weeks before and i´m almost certain that it was due to an automatic actualization by Microsoft. I remember going to forums and they really fucked up this time.

Try install your Windows again over the one that is already installed and it should be OK. At least you can backup your files before deleting your Disk if that´s what you want.

Then install a good firewall like Zonealarm (free)and a good antivirus like AVG (free).

Take care
Posted by Bobby_brownuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/25/2007 3:22:00 PM

Bobby_brown wrote:

TigersEye wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

I'm seeding.

Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!


Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?


I´ve had that happening to me a couple of weeks before and i´m almost certain that it was due to an automatic actualization by Microsoft. I remember going to forums and they really fucked up this time.

Try install your Windows again over the one that is already installed and it should be OK. At least you can backup your files before deleting your Disk if that´s what you want.

Then install a good firewall like Zonealarm (free)and a good antivirus like AVG (free).

Take care


Thanks for your help! Unfortunately, I can't even get the computer to boot up so I can reinstall Windows again. I would like to at least back-up all my files on my computer...I just hope it's not too late...
Posted by Queen Tuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/25/2007 3:38:00 PM

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

TigersEye wrote:

Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?


If it was just Queenzone torrents, then definitely not. But if you were downloading stuff from some other torrent site, then it's possible.


It was Queenzone and Dime...I suspect it's router related as I did visit the help page on Utorrent and it mentioned something like that, but I didn't expect my entire pc to just crash!
Posted by Queen Tuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/25/2007 3:40:00 PM

TigersEye wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:

TigersEye wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

I'm seeding.

Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!


Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?


I´ve had that happening to me a couple of weeks before and i´m almost certain that it was due to an automatic actualization by Microsoft. I remember going to forums and they really fucked up this time.

Try install your Windows again over the one that is already installed and it should be OK. At least you can backup your files before deleting your Disk if that´s what you want.

Then install a good firewall like Zonealarm (free)and a good antivirus like AVG (free).

Take care


Thanks for your help! Unfortunately, I can't even get the computer to boot up so I can reinstall Windows again. I would like to at least back-up all my files on my computer...I just hope it's not too late...


You better call a friend who understands about it. I thought that you could bypass Windows and go to the Bios settings, but if you can´t even start the computer, ask someone to take your hard drive and install it in other computer, then copy them. Carefull about what you have on your hard drive if you´re thinking taking it to someone to fix it.

Take care
Posted by Bobby_brownuser not visiting Queenzone.com
on 4/27/2007 1:05:00 PM