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Posted: 29 May 07, 02:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You would think after hearing Brian do the same thing over and over again, and specifically in hearing the Wembley '86 Brighton Rock exactly the same aproximately 200 times or more in my life, you woult think just maybe it would grow a tad old.

It's the greatest anomoly of always, ALWAYS hitting me like a truck the way it did the first time and on. It must be audio-chemical if that's a word.

My biggest Queen live fear is that Brian will one day get bored with it and start going for more traditional solos. That 3 part repeat is pure grade A heroin to my eardrums.


No point here, just felt like voicing random praise for Queen's ultimate musical masterpiece, in my opinion.

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Posted: 29 May 07, 06:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Brian will keep playing it until the day he dies. I've never been so thrilled about the solo, but I love the song (the rest of it), what an underrated masterpiece!


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Posted: 29 May 07, 08:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That song does indeed rock :)
Plus my name is in it :D
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Posted: 29 May 07, 12:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Too much delay can be

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Posted: 29 May 07, 14:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As a matter of fact, I happen to like those echo etudes loads, but I think the one in 'Brighton Rock' (especially the studio version) is notably below Brian's limits. IMHO.


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Posted: 29 May 07, 14:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

...a bad thing, but not in Brighton Rock.

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Posted: 29 May 07, 16:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hello there, well i think that brighton rock doesn't reflect the real talent of brian, anyway it's a good instrumental song but it's definetely not a song that made queen as huge as they were.

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Posted: 29 May 07, 16:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All of you people saying it doesn't reflect brians talent, or that it is below him...i can hazard a guess you dont play guitar.

it is a very complex arrangement and you have to be on your toes pretty much the whole time playing/improvising this piece. it isnt just a case of playing anything willy nilly. It has to be in key and harmonize and in time otherwise it just wont work.

if you make a mistake and play a song that is out of the key, which i have seen brian do many a time, yo have to think quickly and change key and go with that.

it isn't as simple as you are making it out to be.

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Posted: 29 May 07, 18:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've never said it's simple. I'm saying that, good as it is, it's below Brian's limits. He could do better (which doesn't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or whatever).


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Posted: 29 May 07, 19:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

define better, what do you think would be better?

i am curious

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Posted: 30 May 07, 01:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can play that with my cock.


Try Malmsteen's violin etude.

Now THAT'S hard and way more complex.


Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way.


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Posted: 30 May 07, 01:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, my cock is like half a plectrum... but thinner.


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Posted: 30 May 07, 02:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yes, but the thing is that I like old men.


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Posted: 30 May 07, 05:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

I've never said it's simple. I'm saying that, good as it is, it's below Brian's limits. He could do better (which doesn't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or whatever).
I'm sure brian will lose sleep because the great sebastion thinks brighton rock is below his limits. Queenzone is becoming a joke!...we need the old timers back, you know, the older queen fans.

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Posted: 30 May 07, 07:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think he'll lose sleep, but I couldn't care less.

I don't think 'Brighton Rock' solo is simple or mediocre, but I DO think Brian could have done something more melodic (such as many superb solos he's done throughout the years) and original than that. If you disagree, that's all right, but I don't see why do people have to make personal attacks such as "if you say so, you don't play guitar" or employ sarcasm.


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Posted: 30 May 07, 07:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe you should start a band Sebastian :-P


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Posted: 30 May 07, 10:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't get this thing about playing below his limits. On SHA, Brian had constructed the solo in his head, and it was as part of a song. It wasn't his intention to play way more notes than he usually did in a solo, it was to do something relatively new at the time (33 years ago mind you!) If there are limits that people should be reaching, then we could pick apart every song by every artist. For instance, Stone Cold Crazy is 248 BPM. Did Roger play below his limits on It's Late, or Sweet Lady, because he could play faster than he did on SCC? It's like the quote in the movie Amadeus when someone tells Mozart his piece has too many notes, and he smiles and asks the person which ones they would take out. Queen always played for the song, and virtually always put their talents aside for the good of the song.


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Posted: 30 May 07, 13:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

> Maybe you should start a band Sebastian :-P

I'm too selfish for that. Plus I wouldn't be able to find the time.

> On SHA, Brian had constructed the solo in his head, and it was as part of a song.

It could have been even earlier but I get your point.

> It wasn't his intention to play way more notes than he usually did in a solo, it was to do something relatively new at the time (33 years ago mind you!)

Yes and no. I don't think we'll ever know his intention, plus that wasn't THAT new IMO. On the other hand, the way he arranged it was rather original, but my "complaint" is that he could have done it better (especially the studio version). I think he used 80-85% of his skills there (or less), and that's not quite the Brian I'm used to listen.

> For instance, Stone Cold Crazy is 248 BPM. Did Roger play below his limits on It's Late, or Sweet Lady, because he could play faster than he did on SCC?

I don't think "limits" are restricted to "tempo". And a solo/interlude is different to a rhythm section of a song. Many times Brian did loads with just some few notes (e.g. 'Jealousy') and that was brill. The way he sets the mood in 'Days Of Our Lives' is extraordinary, and his gentle solo on 'Too Much Love' (BTTL version) is ace. But, in MY opinion, 'Brighton Rock' had the potential to have MORE than it did, and to be explored FURTHER. Brian simply stayed in his comfort zone for that one, which is A LITTLE disappointing for me. That said, I don't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or easy or oversimplified, I just mean it's below his limits, and it HAD/HAS the potential to be pushed BEYOND them.


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Posted: 30 May 07, 13:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Goddamn!!

So someone says the solo 'could be better'... you know, theoretically, if there is a 'best' Brian solo, then 'could be better' would apply to all the rest of them.

Christ o' mighty.... Sebastian has a point. The scales in Brighton Rock aren't out of this world. Compared to a few of Brian's other arrangements, Brighton Rock is peanuts! I think.

This doesn't lessen the song, this doesn't make for a personal attack on Queen. "could be better" does not mean "this sucks".

Fucking hell!


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Posted: 30 May 07, 14:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's a fair comment Sebastian, I just feel that criteria could be applied to everything in the world. They say a song or piece of art is never finished, it's just put out to the world for their enjoyment.


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