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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 22:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What a bunch of bullshit...

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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 22:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He would pardon whatever criminal among his close circle of friends.


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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 22:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

he didnt pardon him--

a pardon would have not only wiped out the jail term but the fines and conviction itself..

he only commuted the jail term


sure that will take his popularity down another 10 points or so.......




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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 22:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PieterMC wrote:

What a bunch of bullshit...

That about sums up this administration.


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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 23:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Who has a name like that?


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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 23:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

iron eagle wrote:

he didnt pardon him--

a pardon would have not only wiped out the jail term but the fines and conviction itself..

he only commuted the jail term


sure that will take his popularity down another 10 points or so.......



Still bullshit :-)

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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 23:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Of course, a pardon in January 2009 is not out of the question.


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Posted: 02 Jul 07, 23:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

didnt say it wasnt bs either *LOL*


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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 01:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know who is Scooby Doo, but who the * is Scooter Libby ?

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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 10:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No pardon, folks.....just commuted the 30 month jail sentence. Still convicted of a felony, still on probation, still paying the fines...

Lets be fair here, though. How quickly we seem to forget the past in this country....

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm


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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 10:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



That's bullshit too. Presidential pardons are a joke.

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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You know, just when I thought he couldn't get any dumber.
He HAD to have known that if he even touched the sentence at all he was basically going to be admitting to being corrupt within his government. I mean it's not nice to let a guy take a fall for what you ordered, but it was neccessary to preserve any sense of dignity in this mess, and maybe, just maybe, show people that he had learned a lesson about justice.
I guess he is sticking to his guns and what he thinks is right on this one...commuting the sentence. But it's going to cost him more in the long run.


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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 11:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PieterMC wrote:



That's bullshit too. Presidential pardons are a joke.


You will get no argument here....at least you play fair. It's a joke to read Hillary's statement about this.

"This commutation sends the clear signal that in this administration, cronyism and ideology trump competence and justice." - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.

She act's like her and hubby never did anything of the sort with their circle of friends....take a look at their record regarding "cronyism and ideology"....

And some people are actually serious about putting another idealogue into office?

Sheesh.



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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 12:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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...But it's going to cost him more in the long run.


I bet his chances for reelection dropped to zero now! :-)))


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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 12:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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still paying the fines...


It should also be pointed out that wealthy or influential Republican officials, like former ambassador Richard Carlson, have been fundraising for his defense. I would imagine that more money will be raised to help pay off the fines, or at the least, someone will offer a job.

And both Clinton and Bush Sr did the pardon thing to dubious officials. Circumstances forced Bush Jr to commute the sentence now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a pardon just days or hours before he leaves office.


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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 12:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If he thinks the sentence was too harsh, then I agree. It's not like he's doing this every day. Why not take a look at the numbers before claiming a conspiracy. Libby was an attorney. He'll never do that again and still has to pay all the fines. Should we have just gone out and shot the man?

PARDONS AND COMMUTATIONS
George W. Bush (2001 - )
Pardons -- 13
Commutations -- 4

Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
Pardons -- 396
Commutations -- 61

George H.W. Bush (1989-1993)
Pardons -- 74
Commutations: 3

Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
Pardons -- 393
Commutations -- 13

Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
Pardons -- 534
Commutations -- 29

Gerald Ford (1974-1977)
Pardons -- 382
Commutations -- 22

Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Pardons -- 863
Commutations -- 60

Lyndon Johnson (1963-1969)
Pardons -- 960
Commutations -- 226

John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
Pardons -- 472
Commutations -- 100

Dwight Eisenhower (1953-1961)
Pardons -- 1,110
Commutations -- 47

Harry Truman (1945-1953)
Pardons -- 1,913
Commutations -- 118

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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 12:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Only 87 pardons between the two Bush's? Only 13 by W? Wow. Not many.

Take a look at the rest of those posted, that's a lot.


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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 12:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

When was the last time he practiced law? Do you really think the fact that he will be disbarred means his income potential is shot?

My only point is that the claim that he is still being punished "because he's still got those fines to pay" is not quite accurate. He had supporters during his trial who helped raise money for his defense, and he'll have supporters during this phase too. They raised millions then; what's another $250,000? And if he gets pardoned in 18 months, then even that is gone.






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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 12:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And as for the list, while showing the use of presidential pardons, a little context should be used. It is my guess (and a quick search confirms most of it) that many of the pardons that presidents like Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, and LBJ (Democrats and Republicans both) were for military violations like avoiding the draft or selective service. Carter, for instance, pardoned many draft dodgers from Vietnam, which surely accounted for a lot of his 530+. Sure, there were probably some political pardons thrown in for good measure, but don't assume that just because Truman had 2000, he abused it more than Reagan's 400 (for instance).

Personally, how Reagan could ever pardon George Steinbrenner is beyond me.


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Posted: 03 Jul 07, 13:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Micrówave wrote:

He'll never do that again and still has to pay all the fines.


What fines? Poor ol´Scooter facing bancruptcy?Halliburton/KBR will gladly take the tab!!! ;-)

And by the way... If Libby has not commenced his sentence (meaning the clock has not even started on his sentence) then how can his sentence be commuted???


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