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Posted: 10 Jul 07, 11:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Although pope Benedict was making a bit of progress in inter-faith dialogue with Muslims, clearly he's not able to do it with people within his own faith.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/07/10/vatican-church.html

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Posted: 10 Jul 07, 11:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank God for this coming to our attention. I hope you all made note. If it weren't for the link to the story, I would have never seen this much more intriguing story:

It's only about a week old, but a new pizza place in Winnipeg has already aroused attention — not for its pizza pie, but for the racy extra that comes with it.

Patrons must be 18 years and older to order from Porno Pizza, which delivers pornographic material inserted under every pizza.


mmmm. Porno pizza...


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Posted: 10 Jul 07, 11:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Although pope Benedict was making a bit of progress in inter-faith dialogue with Muslims, clearly he's not able to do it with people within his own faith.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/07/10/vatican-church.html

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Great minds, Sir GH. :-) I just read this article and had the same thoughts as you.

I suppose arrogance is an integral part of being a 'believer'. Believers are taught that THEY are the chosen ones, the right ones, the ones headed for salvation. Idiocy, IMO.

Though the pope's statement disgusts me, it in no way surprises me. Sad, no?


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Posted: 10 Jul 07, 11:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Thank God for this coming to our attention. I hope you all made note. If it weren't for the link to the story, I would have never seen this much more intriguing story:

It's only about a week old, but a new pizza place in Winnipeg has already aroused attention — not for its pizza pie, but for the racy extra that comes with it.

Patrons must be 18 years and older to order from Porno Pizza, which delivers pornographic material inserted under every pizza.


mmmm. Porno pizza...


Just don't order the sausage pizza


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Posted: 10 Jul 07, 12:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

...or extra cheese.

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Posted: 10 Jul 07, 14:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think it's even worth discussing what the Catholic Church does anymore. It's like expecting the Bush administration to allow stem cell research.

The Catholic Church is clearly heading back to the days of the doctrine and ideology of the inquisition, but the good thing is that they no longer have the power to control the lives of the population. The more the head backwards, the less followers they'll have.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 06:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It says although Orthodox churches are true churches, they are defective because they do not recognize the primacy of the Pope.


Maybe in this particular bit it's more about politics than intolerance...? To me, this bit sounds like he's trying to say that although both Catholic and Orthodox churches come from the same original church started by Jesus (or Peter?) and are very similar in many aspects, the Catholic Church is "better", because he can try to set his own "rules" for this one, but he has no power in the other...?


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 08:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Although pope Benedict was making a bit of progress in inter-faith dialogue with Muslims, clearly he's not able to do it with people within his own faith.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/07/10/vatican-church.html

Three cheers for tolerance!

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Mr. Ratzi the Nazi has always been part of the extremely conservative branch of the Catholic Church. In fact, that inter-faith dialogue of his was forced upon him; he was against it, as he still believes Islam, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Protestant and other churches to be heretics.

Having said that, the Catholic Church is probably the last place I'd expect to find sound minds and healthy progress. They gave that up around the 12th century, when they last rejuvenated the church. Nearly every major change after that (with the counter-reformation taking the lead) was a reactionary move. John XXIII is a notable exception.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 09:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

It says although Orthodox churches are true churches, they are defective because they do not recognize the primacy of the Pope.


Maybe in this particular bit it's more about politics than intolerance...? To me, this bit sounds like he's trying to say that although both Catholic and Orthodox churches come from the same original church started by Jesus (or Peter?) and are very similar in many aspects, the Catholic Church is "better", because he can try to set his own "rules" for this one, but he has no power in the other...?


Jesus was never said to have started a church. Peter was (supposedly) the first patriarch of Rome, with others ruling from Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem (known together as the Patriarchs of the Pentarchy ['Foremost Five']). After a range of schisms over a number of theological issues during the early middle ages (most notably the debates over which new sects were heretics and which weren't), there was a decisive break, and ever since it has been the official position of the papacy that the Orthodox churches are fellow-Christians whenever they can be of use (it gave a nice pretext for the crusades, which are nowadays accepted to have been nothing other than Europe's first wave of expansion and imperialism after Antiquity), and as enemies of the Mother Church whenever that seems handy.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 09:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

I don't think it's even worth discussing what the Catholic Church does anymore. It's like expecting the Bush administration to allow stem cell research.

The Catholic Church is clearly heading back to the days of the doctrine and ideology of the inquisition, but the good thing is that they no longer have the power to control the lives of the population. The more the head backwards, the less followers they'll have.


They've got quite a lot of power, actually. To name you but a few example: the Italian Catholic party is obliged to follow the Pope's directions at all times, in Catholic African countries the highest local clergyman's words usually have power of law, and any Catholic who goes against papal decisions faces possible excommunication, which is still used as a threat.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 12:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

isnt it true that in the bible it doesnt state anywhere that you should worship either jesus or god in a churches? in fact it states quite the opposite? i'm mearly asking as i seem to remember reading it somewhere! i dont know much about religion as i don't believe in any form of god. i dont reject the idea... im just very skeptical.... i believe that makes me agnostic? I find my self reluctant to use the word atheist an queenzone's resident atheist is such a TIT.

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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 12:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I find my self reluctant to use the word atheist an queenzone's resident atheist is such a TIT.

Yeah, I feel pretty insulted by him and his username. :P



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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 12:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

inmydefence wrote:

i dont know much about religion as i don't believe in any form of god. i dont reject the idea... im just very skeptical.... i believe that makes me agnostic? I find my self reluctant to use the word atheist an queenzone's resident atheist is such a TIT.


If I am to understand that whole thing, an Athiest is:

(1) Someone who does not believe in any "higher power" or "creator" concept.

(2) A misguided Freddie Mercury prophet. He is soooo funny, though, I've come to know him as Freddie Murphy.

An Agnostic is one who doesn't think its possible to even know and doesn't accept ANY form of religious identity, not just Christian.

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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 12:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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inmydefence wrote:

i dont know much about religion as i don't believe in any form of god. i dont reject the idea... im just very skeptical.... i believe that makes me agnostic? I find my self reluctant to use the word atheist an queenzone's resident atheist is such a TIT.


If I am to understand that whole thing, an Athiest is:

(1) Someone who does not believe in any "higher power" or "creator" concept.

(2) A misguided Freddie Mercury prophet. He is soooo funny, though, I've come to know him as Freddie Murphy.

An Agnostic is one who doesn't think its possible to even know and doesn't accept ANY form of religious identity, not just Christian.


Correction on (1): Someone who believes (in an almost religious fashion) that there is no higher power.

An agnostic has no real point of view on the existence (or non-existence) of a higher power.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 15:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I see. Being raised Roman Catholic, I never got around to know the real beliefs of others. Guess I've spent all these years trying to figure out exactly what purpose a Pope serves?
*lightning crashes overhead*
The last one seemed to be pretty cool, one could almost say "hip" in his later years... but this one gets all this negtivity prior to his appointment and then he does this. And completely redeems himself. He's the T.O. of Popes. Now he should demand a raise.

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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Darn! I thought Sir GH was taking dancing lessons.

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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 18:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

inmydefence wrote:

i dont know much about religion as i don't believe in any form of god. i dont reject the idea... im just very skeptical.... i believe that makes me agnostic? I find my self reluctant to use the word atheist an queenzone's resident atheist is such a TIT.


If I am to understand that whole thing, an Athiest is:

(1) Someone who does not believe in any "higher power" or "creator" concept.

(2) A misguided Freddie Mercury prophet. He is soooo funny, though, I've come to know him as Freddie Murphy.

An Agnostic is one who doesn't think its possible to even know and doesn't accept ANY form of religious identity, not just Christian.


Correction on (1): Someone who believes (in an almost religious fashion) that there is no higher power.

An agnostic has no real point of view on the existence (or non-existence) of a higher power.


Surely it's: (1) Someone who denies the existence of any higher power.

And an agnostic is someone who will neither deny nor accept the existence of any higher power.

The only way you can liken the beliefs of an agnostic to the beliefs of a theist or deist, is by saying that the belief-systems are based on faith; that you cannot prove your belief one way or the other other.

...Which is to completely miss the point that the agnostic's belief is based on empirical evidence (or the distinct and absolute lack of) for the existence and probability of a god, whilst the religious belief is based on...faith.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 18:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Every single atheist is a tiny little bit agnostic, but they're just in denial.

Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 19:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:


Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex.


The pope is not at all happy with this statement. Nope. Not a'tall.


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Posted: 11 Jul 07, 19:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Every single atheist is a tiny little bit agnostic, but they're just in denial.

Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex.


I know what you're saying, yes. But it becomes a ridiculous proposition to have to force yourself to fit one of these labels. Yes, no-one can truly 100% KNOW that a god doesn't exist; so those that believe so (that a god doesn't exist) are technically agnostic.

But, as the great Richard Dawkins illustrates so succinctly, we don't need to go around declaring ourselves agnostic with respect to fairies. Or leprechauns. Or unicorns. Or flying spaghetti monsters.


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