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Posted: 13 Jul 07, 13:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Man, maybe it's the beer talking but I think Live killers is a fucking good record. I know lots of you disagree with me and I can see why. Songs that should have made it is missing, the recording/sound smells like old cock etc. But I get a great feeling from it despite the cock-oder. The atmosphere, you know. It's catchy even though it stinks from a technical point of view. It proves Queen were great even on off-nights.


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Posted: 13 Jul 07, 13:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You sound like an authority on that.

Perhaps thats why YOU like it so much more than I. I think Hot Space "tastes like sweet butter".



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Posted: 13 Jul 07, 13:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Man, maybe it's the beer talking but I think Live killers is a fucking good record. I know lots of you disagree with me and I can see why. Songs that should have made it is missing, the recording/sound smells like old cock etc. But I get a great feeling from it despite the cock-oder. The atmosphere, you know. It's catchy even though it stinks from a technical point of view. It proves Queen were great even on off-nights.
It’s a good representation of their live shows at that time. It would have been nice had they included something new on it like the rock n’ roll medley. I prefer some of the live versions of their songs to their studio counterparts.


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Posted: 13 Jul 07, 21:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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It’s a good representation of their live shows at that time. It would have been nice had they included something new on it like the rock n’ roll medley. I prefer some of the live versions of their songs to their studio counterparts.


The rock n' roll medley wouldn't have made it onto Live Killers for the same reason the demo didn't make it onto the first album. Royalty payments.

If I could make any changes to the album (aside from sound quality, which was admittedly lower than other double-live albums of the time--though Queen didn't do as many studio overdubs as other bands did), I'd do the following:

1. Replace "Dreamer's Ball" with "Fat Bottomed Girls."
2. Replace "Don't Stop Me Now" with "It's Late."
3. Move "Keep Yourself Alive" to where it usually fell in the setlist: between "Brighton Rock" and BoRhap.

Otherwise, I think it's a great album more for its value as a historical document than as an overwhelmingly good set of performances. It does, in my opinion, contain the definitive live version of "Now I'm Here," and the best version of "Brighton Rock" period, even if most of Brian's guitar solo was recorded in the studio.


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Posted: 14 Jul 07, 00:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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even if most of Brian's guitar solo was recorded in the studio.


I highly doubt that. I've narrowed down where a few parts of the song were recorded (Paris and Frankfurt), and the only "guitar solo" gap I'm not sure of is from about 7 minutes to 11 minutes... but I can be pretty sure it's live.



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Posted: 14 Jul 07, 14:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

even if most of Brian's guitar solo was recorded in the studio.


I highly doubt that. I've narrowed down where a few parts of the song were recorded (Paris and Frankfurt), and the only "guitar solo" gap I'm not sure of is from about 7 minutes to 11 minutes... but I can be pretty sure it's live.


Really? I admit I haven't read over the "Live Killers Analysis" for quite a while, but I thought there was a statement in there about how it was mostly a studio take. Could well be mistaken, though.


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Posted: 15 Jul 07, 02:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, perhaps!

Simply, until we hear an uncut recording from every show of the European '79 tour, we cannot begin to assume that any of it was recorded in the studio.



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Posted: 15 Jul 07, 03:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Yeah, perhaps!

Simply, until we hear an uncut recording from every show of the European '79 tour, we cannot begin to assume that any of it was recorded in the studio.


I wouldn't go *that* far. All we know for sure about those 1970s double-live albums is that the only thing 100% live about them was the crowd noise. ;)

Queen still kept a lot more of Live Killers "live" than most bands did, but Brian's guitar solo is so perfect that he either (1.) re-did large portions of it in the studio, or (2.) spliced together the best parts of several different guitar solos.

I'm sure those LK tour dates have soundboard recordings locked away in the QP archives, and I'd love to get a listen to those so we can definitively pick out which pieces came from where, and which pieces came from the studio.

Here's one you may have an idea on, Sir GH. Why in the world did the band pick the BoRhap they did to go on the album? Brian breaks a string and Freddie stumbles badly in the hard rock section. Surely there were other 1979 tour dates where he did the Mustapha intro, and even if there weren't, wouldn't the operatic section have been the ideal place to cut to another night for the balance of the song?


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Posted: 16 Jul 07, 14:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

I wouldn't go *that* far. All we know for sure about those 1970s double-live albums is that the only thing 100% live about them was the crowd noise. ;)


Haha... yeah... *coughKissAlivecough*

Queen still kept a lot more of Live Killers "live" than most bands did, but Brian's guitar solo is so perfect that he either (1.) re-did large portions of it in the studio, or (2.) spliced together the best parts of several different guitar solos.


Well, like I mention in my LK analysis (have you seen it?), it's definitely a mix of many shows... and only those 4 minutes of the instrumental are unaccounted for, for now.

I'm sure those LK tour dates have soundboard recordings locked away in the QP archives, and I'd love to get a listen to those so we can definitively pick out which pieces came from where, and which pieces came from the studio.


You and me both!

Why in the world did the band pick the BoRhap they did to go on the album? Brian breaks a string and Freddie stumbles badly in the hard rock section. Surely there were other 1979 tour dates where he did the Mustapha intro, and even if there weren't, wouldn't the operatic section have been the ideal place to cut to another night for the balance of the song?


Yeah, I definitely agree with you there... a very bad choice! But where does Brian break a string? I never noticed that...



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Posted: 17 Jul 07, 02:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

I wouldn't go *that* far. All we know for sure about those 1970s double-live albums is that the only thing 100% live about them was the crowd noise. ;)


Haha... yeah... *coughKissAlivecough*


I wasn't going to say it, but yeah, that's where I was headed. ;)

Well, like I mention in my LK analysis (have you seen it?), it's definitely a mix of many shows... and only those 4 minutes of the instrumental are unaccounted for, for now.


I have read the LK analysis, and I didn't know you were the author until I saw it on queenlive.ca last night. Primo stuff you've got there!

Yeah, I definitely agree with you there... a very bad choice! But where does Brian break a string? I never noticed that...


I'll give it another listen later tonight, it's something I remembered hearing long ago. Crap, with my memory, I may well be thinking of Brian breaking a string on "Now It's Here" from Houston. I seem to recall an unusual (but muted) twang during the hard rock section, though, that sounded like a string breaking.


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Posted: 18 Jul 07, 13:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

I have read the LK analysis, and I didn't know you were the author until I saw it on queenlive.ca last night. Primo stuff you've got there!


Thank ya...!!

Yeah, I definitely agree with you there... a very bad choice! But where does Brian break a string? I never noticed that...
I'll give it another listen later tonight, it's something I remembered hearing long ago. Crap, with my memory, I may well be thinking of Brian breaking a string on "Now It's Here" from Houston. I seem to recall an unusual (but muted) twang during the hard rock section, though, that sounded like a string breaking.


In Houston, Brian broke a string during Liar. In NIH, Roger broke a drum stick at the end... but nothing went wrong with Brian. If Brian breaks a string, his entire guitar goes out of tune because it has a floating tremolo. Not sure if you're a guitar player, but it's definitely torture to break a string like that when you're playing live. Your guitar is pretty much unplayable.



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Posted: 18 Jul 07, 13:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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In Houston, Brian broke a string during Liar. In NIH, Roger broke a drum stick at the end... but nothing went wrong with Brian. If Brian breaks a string, his entire guitar goes out of tune because it has a floating tremolo. Not sure if you're a guitar player, but it's definitely torture to break a string like that when you're playing live. Your guitar is pretty much unplayable.


Obviously I'm not a guitar player. I listened to LK again, and I don't hear the twang in BoRhap anymore, however there is definitely a "plonk" sound in Houston's NIH, right after the line "I'd love to leave my memories with you." Is that the drumstick breaking, or something else?


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however there is definitely a "plonk" sound in Houston's NIH, right after the line "I'd love to leave my memories with you." Is that the drumstick breaking, or something else?


That's John hitting both the G and D strings when he should have only hit the D.. :)



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Posted: 18 Jul 07, 19:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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That's John hitting both the G and D strings when he should have only hit the D.. :)


Damn. How precise! hehe :).
Nice one. I'll give it a listen.

Brian broke a string in both Leipzig 2005 (I was there) and I believe he changed guitars.

Too bad it happened during TYMD in Philadelphia 2006 and he had to play most of the song like that. I don't remember if he changed the guitar somewhere before the end of the song or until it was done.

However, that is not a COOL thing to happen to you as a guitarist :S.

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Posted: 19 Jul 07, 03:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It seems to happen quite often to Brian. I believe he broke a string twice during the Arnhem 2005 concert. Made him quite pissed off :) I think it might have something to do with the fact that he uses a coin as a pick, making the strings break more easily.


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Posted: 19 Jul 07, 17:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, I use a coin every night, and I've never broken a string. I change my strings once a week, and I'm sure Brian's guitar tech changes the strings before every show. I think he's breaking strings so often because they're so thin, not because he uses a coin (he usually plays pretty delicately). I once read an interview where he revealed the guages of his strings, and I was shocked. This was for the Jan '83 issue of Guitar Player, so perhaps he's using different strings all these years later... but here's what he said then:

"I use Rotosound round-wound strings, gauged .008, .009, .011, .016, 022, and .034, high to low."

Whooooooooooooa..!!



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Posted: 20 Jul 07, 03:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Whoooaa, indeed, that's pretty thin. I didn't know! Somehow I always assumed Brian actually used fairly thick strings...


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Posted: 20 Jul 07, 06:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

however there is definitely a "plonk" sound in Houston's NIH, right after the line "I'd love to leave my memories with you." Is that the drumstick breaking, or something else?


That's John hitting both the G and D strings when he should have only hit the D.. :)


That's rather sloppy for a bass-player. He must've been a little nervous, then.


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