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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 09:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Following up on Led Zeppelin's last boffo release comes this. Queen Productions, take a few notes..

LED ZEPPELIN
MOTHERSHIP

Comprehensive Two-CD Led Zeppelin Collection Features
Twenty-Four Remastered Studio Tracks;
The Very Best of Led Zeppelin Available In Multiple Configurations

Remixed And Remastered Deluxe Reissue of The Song Remains The Same
Soundtrack Includes Previously Unreleased Tracks

The Song Remains The Same Landmark Concert DVD In Limited Edition,
HD DVD And Blu-Ray From Warner Home Video

Available November 13 and November 20

(Los Angeles, July 27, 2007) – After nearly forty years, Led Zeppelin continues to inspire generations with their groundbreaking blues-infused, guitar-driven rock ’n’ roll. Arguably the biggest rock band in the world throughout their 12-year reign, they remain one of the most influential and innovative groups in music history. With over 200 million albums sold worldwide, their catalog is one of the most enduring bodies of musical composition to come out of the 20th century.

Available November 13, Atlantic Records/Rhino Entertainment will honor the Rock & Rock Hall of Famers with the release of Mothership, a 24-track, two-CD comprehensive collection that spans their illustrious career. All eight of the band’s classic studio albums are represented here, with the tracks being personally selected by Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, and John Paul Jones. Mothership includes landmark songs such as “Whole Lotta Love,” “Immigrant Song,” “Kashmir,” “Rock And Roll,” “Dazed And Confused,” and “Stairway To Heaven.” The set will also include new liner notes by famed rock writer David Fricke.

Available at all physical retail outlets and www.ledzeppelin.com, Mothership collectible packages will be available in multiple configurations:

· Standard Package – 2-CD set ($19.98 SRP)
· Deluxe Edition – 2-CD/ 1-DVD featuring the premiere-version (90 minutes) of live performance footage culled from the Led Zeppelin DVD ($24.98 SRP)
· Collector’s Edition – 2-CD/1-DVD ultra-deluxe, collectible limited edition ($TBA)
· Vinyl Edition – 4 LPs, high-end, audiophile quality vinyl with collectible memorabilia ($74.98 SRP)

Originally released in 1976, The Song Remains The Same soundtrack album of the concert film features songs from the band’s three-night stint at Madison Square Garden in July 1973. On November 20, The Song Remains The Same soundtrack gets the deluxe reissue treatment, with the band members overseeing the remixing and remastering of the original release. The new version of the soundtrack includes six songs that were not on the original release —“Black Dog,” “Over The Hills And Far Away,” “Misty Mountain Hop,” “Since I’ve Been Loving You,” “The Ocean,” and “Heartbreaker,” plus new liner notes by Academy AwardÒ-winning director Cameron Crowe (Almost Famous).

Slated for a simultaneous release, Warner Home Video debuts brand-new DVD editions of The Song Remains The Same, now for the first time with all 14 songs from the original concert. The DVD features newly remixed and remastered sound, 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound, and boasts more than 40 minutes of added bonus material*, including never-before-released performance footage of “Over The Hills And Far Away” and “Celebration Day”; plus performances of “Misty Mountain Hop” and “The Ocean”; a rare 1976 BBC interview with Robert Plant and Peter Grant; vintage TV footage from the Drake Hotel robbery during the New York concert stand; and a Cameron Crowe radio show. The discs will be available as follows:

· Deluxe Edition DVD – ($19.97 SRP*)
· Deluxe Edition HD DVD and Blu-ray - ($28.99 SRP each*)
· Limited Collector’s Edition – 2-disc set includes collectible vintage
T-shirt with original album artwork design, soundtrack CD, lobby cards, reproductions of original premiere invites, tour schedule, and more ($TBA*)

“We have revisited The Song Remains The Same,” says Jimmy Page,

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 10:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

blah blah

I want, I want, I want...


I like to get on with life rather than worry why Queen haven't released their unreleased tracks and out takes.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear those things. It's a dream and something I'm really interested in. But this constant whining from people on this board about not getting this stuff is just getting old.

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 10:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mothership isn´t that special for a Led Zeppelin fan. I mean, how many Greatest Hits do you wan´t in your collection?

The DVD seems interesting, but is a re-edition with bonus stuff. Same thing with Montreal DVD by Queen ; )

The fans know that there are Great videos by Zeppelin waiting in the vaults, but Jimmy Page keeps saying otherwise.

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 10:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Baboolal wrote:

blah blah

I want, I want, I want...


I like to get on with life rather than worry why Queen haven't released their unreleased tracks and out takes.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear those things. It's a dream and something I'm really interested in. But this constant whining from people on this board about not getting this stuff is just getting old.

Adam.


Wow, that really inspires discussion. What a contribution! Kudos! Sheesh.

As far as the rereleases, Bobby already pointed it out: "Mothership" would be like Queen releasing a career retrospective with nothing new for the fans (hmm? they've already done that?!) and TSRTS would be like Queen rereleasing We Will Rock You with some extra stuff (oh wait....).

I think Led Zeppelin (in particular, Jimmy Page) have handled their back catalog relatively well and have been mostly decent with not letting too many compilations come out, but that last part is starting to slip with "Mothership": this is the third time that these songs have been released on some other set than their original studio albums (first was the 4-disc and 2-disc box sets in 1990 and 1993, respectively; second was "Early Days" and "Latter Days" in 2000 or so; and now this), and I believe "Early Days" and "Latter Days" are still available. Oh well.

I think if Queen were to do something similar to this, fans would cry foul.

...Shit, we already have.

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 10:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lester Burnham wrote:

Adam Baboolal wrote:

blah blah

I want, I want, I want...


I like to get on with life rather than worry why Queen haven't released their unreleased tracks and out takes.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear those things. It's a dream and something I'm really interested in. But this constant whining from people on this board about not getting this stuff is just getting old.

Adam.


Wow, that really inspires discussion. What a contribution! Kudos! Sheesh.

As far as the rereleases, Bobby already pointed it out: "Mothership" would be like Queen releasing a career retrospective with nothing new for the fans (hmm? they've already done that?!) and TSRTS would be like Queen rereleasing We Will Rock You with some extra stuff (oh wait....).

I think Led Zeppelin (in particular, Jimmy Page) have handled their back catalog relatively well and have been mostly decent with not letting too many compilations come out, but that last part is starting to slip with "Mothership": this is the third time that these songs have been released on some other set than their original studio albums (first was the 4-disc and 2-disc box sets in 1990 and 1993, respectively; second was "Early Days" and "Latter Days" in 2000 or so; and now this), and I believe "Early Days" and "Latter Days" are still available. Oh well.

I think if Queen were to do something similar to this, fans would cry foul.

...Shit, we already have.
I fully agree with you. I'm looking forward to seeing the unreleased songs from the zeppelin dvd though:-)


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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 10:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Because Queen doesn´t have for example a movie called "the song remains the same"...

That´s why... maybe xD

P.


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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 11:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

May I make some corrections here? One of the things I have understood was that Queen did not have a movie or a concert movie that they made themselves. This is not true in my opinion. The reason being that apparently many people don't know that Queen showed "Live At The Rainbow '74" in theaters as an opening show to "The Song Remains The Same". I do wish to God that there were some type of acknowledgement of that with Zep's upcomming re-release of it. So in my opinion Queen did have a movie and it was a concert movie being "Live At The Rainbow '74" which as it stands is the first known full Queen concert film of any type.

Other than all of that my opionion with a single c.d. compilation of greatest hits or a best of is that it should have at least one new song on it but it would be better to have two. As for a two c.d. set compiling the same things it should have in my opinion THREE new studio tracks. The Rolling Stones did this very well with "40 Licks" and showed everyone else how to do it in my opinion. This allows there to be more of a concept to the project and something new for the fans who already own all of the stuff to have an incentive to purchase it.

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bobby_brown wrote:

Mothership isn´t that special for a Led Zeppelin fan. I mean, how many Greatest Hits do you wan´t in your collection?

The DVD seems interesting, but is a re-edition with bonus stuff. Same thing with Montreal DVD by Queen ; )

Take care


Did you read that press release all the way through?

This is more than just some cheap, quickie re-release. Thi is more than Jimmy Page saying "Hey, it's the exact same DVD but with a new soundmix approved by yours truly."

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 15:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Baboolal wrote:

blah blah

I want, I want, I want...


I like to get on with life rather than worry why Queen haven't released their unreleased tracks and out takes.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear those things. It's a dream and something I'm really interested in. But this constant whining from people on this board about not getting this stuff is just getting old.

Adam.


Sorry, did I use the words "I want, I want?" Did I mention that it's my only obsession in life?

Let's stick to what was actually said shall we?

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 19:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OK...LZ split up in 1980, and are now releasing archive material... as well as re-releeasing all the old stuff over and over again. They've released a couple of old concerts BBC sessions, and a coupl eof unreleased tracks have sneaked out as well.

Generally, Queen ARE doing that, and a lot quicker than 20 years after their collective demise too.

Plus Zep have greater selling power in the states. You may not like that fact, but it's true.

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Posted: 28 Jul 07, 19:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Michael Allred wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:

Mothership isn´t that special for a Led Zeppelin fan. I mean, how many Greatest Hits do you wan´t in your collection?

The DVD seems interesting, but is a re-edition with bonus stuff. Same thing with Montreal DVD by Queen ; )

Take care


Did you read that press release all the way through?

This is more than just some cheap, quickie re-release. Thi is more than Jimmy Page saying "Hey, it's the exact same DVD but with a new soundmix approved by yours truly."


The Queen release isn´t cheap too, but i know what you mean. But if you have to choose between a new concert and an old one with a new mixed approved by the band wich one would you choose?

Of course the DVD has a great bonus considering this is Led Zeppelin, but i think their fans are a bit like Queen´s. They want something completelly new, and even though they know it exists, Jimmy Page keeps telling that there is no footage avaiable.

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Posted: 29 Jul 07, 00:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bobby_brown wrote:

The DVD seems interesting, but is a re-edition with bonus stuff. Same thing with Montreal DVD by Queen ; )


It seems Zeppelin's release will be far better. It will essentially be a complete NY 73 concert... a dream come true for the Zeppelin collector. Can't wait!



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Posted: 29 Jul 07, 10:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

...Unfortunately The song remains that same is the worst movie ever made of the worst show Led Zeppelin ever played. And the fans know that!

My sarcasm: presenting the show in full? The edited version is hard enough to sit through...
(But stupid me, the fan, will buy it anyway :-)

About the best of: that's a load of bollocks. How many best off's do you want? Remasters (THE best collection and the ONLY DECENT collection of LZ), remasters II, remasters box set, remasters II box set, early days, latter days, early & latter days... I mean, how old are those last ones? Three years??

We complain about Queen, but this is gettting just as bad. These will be the fourth or fifth version of their cathalogue out there.
Once again without bonus tracks! The only new songs LZ ever released after Coda were two tracks on the first Remasters box set. (And I am not counting two old song pasted together as a new track! -->see Remasters box set II)

A part of the 'new content' is already out there on it's own in the "DVD"-double dvd-set. (Now THAT was a release I'd -and have- recommend(ed) Queen Productions to follow!
(Unless, they now release the recordings from the other night, but I doubt it...)

Alright... I give it to them... sounds like the packaging and extra goodies will be very very nice. But looking at the music? Hmmm... I'm not too sure I want Queen Productions to pay attention.

If they do, the next release will be ANATO the ultimate, maximum, overweight, decadent, collectors, completist, high-definitian, inflatable edition: The cd, the 5.1 dvd, the Eagle documentary dvd, and a dvd with all the video clips together in one big, white box wrapped in an ugly white t-shirt with the Queen crest on it.
...and don't tell me that WE would NOT complain if that happened!





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Posted: 29 Jul 07, 11:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'll grab it for the previously unreleased material. Agree that it's not the best performances by far, but it'll be something to look forward to purchasing (have avoided the other 'repackaged' ideas.) Surprised that they continue to avoid putting 'Hey Hey What Can I Do' on almost all these sundry releases.

Queen-related: I will never understand why the remastered 'Live Killers' did not have bonus material from that tour (Somebody To Love, If You Can't Beat 'Em, It's Late, and Fat Bottomed Girls). After all, they did put added stuff on the Wembley CD release.

Back to Zeppelin: not sure how many have seen this clip, but I'll bet this kid's parents will be happy with the new release.

http://clipaday.com/bands/kid-zeppelin







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Posted: 31 Jul 07, 07:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ok, maybe not the best thing to post, but it gets me down whenever I see people posting things that show these examples as some kind of taunt to QP to do something with the Queen materials in the vaults. I've heard it so many times that it starts to grate. That's where the "I want" stuff comes in. There's a lot of folk that do it. And this isn't that different because it's focusing on getting something from the Queen camp.

Adam.

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Posted: 31 Jul 07, 08:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Baboolal wrote:

Ok, maybe not the best thing to post, but it gets me down whenever I see people posting things that show these examples as some kind of taunt to QP to do something with the Queen materials in the vaults. I've heard it so many times that it starts to grate. That's where the "I want" stuff comes in. There's a lot of folk that do it. And this isn't that different because it's focusing on getting something from the Queen camp.

Adam.


Well adam, if QP did something with their material then some fans wouldn't feel the need to say anything about it.

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Posted: 31 Jul 07, 08:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Baboolal wrote:

Ok, maybe not the best thing to post, but it gets me down whenever I see people posting things that show these examples as some kind of taunt to QP to do something with the Queen materials in the vaults. I've heard it so many times that it starts to grate. That's where the "I want" stuff comes in. There's a lot of folk that do it. And this isn't that different because it's focusing on getting something from the Queen camp.

Adam.


I don't mean to sound too negative, but what's the alternative?

Wait around politely and patiently for anything the band happens to release? We've all been there and done that for the past 10 years, and it's achieved nothing... Maybe it would be time to try something else.

I suppose my tactic of bitching about the releases here at QZ isn't the most productive, but it's achieved its purpose if somebody here starts to wonder if there could be better releases.


The ideal outcome would be that every member here wrote a nice and polite e-mail to Brian May every few months stating (in their own words) why it would be nice to have some different kinds of releases. I doubt he would satisfy our every wish, but at some point (when there were a few thousand e-mails) he might actually want to do something about it.

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Posted: 31 Jul 07, 09:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

See Tero, that last part is a good idea. Rather than talk about it here - go to the source! If people just sit and whine here, how much does that get back to anyone who plans these releases?

Sending a nice note to Brian May is the best way to go. Well...Alred might disagree with that solution actually..ahem!

Adam.

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Posted: 31 Jul 07, 11:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

With all due respect Tero, Brian is totally aware of what is said about Queen and QP. It's like his Soapbox, where the odds of him replying are great if you're praising him or WWRY. He knows, and QP knows that they're getting roasted on boards such as this for their release choices, but they don't care. If Queen were a political party, they'd be extremists up 'til Jazz. Fearless, bursting with wild creativity. Then they became populists around The Game, opting for the centre where they gained more "voters", due to a generally safer musical style. That's how QP is as a business. Their releases are aimed at people who like Queen the singles act. I'd hazard a guess that a large percentage of people who see WWRY are fans of the bands hits, and wouldn't know Loser in the end or The night comes down if it bit them on the ass. It's the 80/20 rule, 80% of Queen's market are casual fans, and they're more important than the 20% who know the catalogue inside and out because there are way more of them.


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Posted: 31 Jul 07, 11:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You're mostly right of course (I'm cynical enough to realise that), but I think he might be persuaded to reconsider a limited, fan-club-only type of release (or series of releases) if he received a few thousand praising e-mails within a few weeks. How could he ignore the opportunity for such worship? -;)