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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 16:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A question for YV......

If it crossed your mind that John Stuart did actually tend to mention rather a lot the seven year old episode of the lost Ibex tape, and it was your personal opinion that mentioning it again in Justin Leiter's 'Open Letter' to Greg Brooks, though it is not relevant at all to his Mott The Hoople program, was rather out of place and repiticious, WOULD YOU ACTUALLY SAY SO HERE ON QZ?

Would you ever actually admit something like... to be honest John, you do keep on referring back to that thing, and perhaps it's time to move on??? Would you heck YV. Not in this life time.

It's a fair point YV, but conspicuously you will jump to defend John and his copious references to that episode, again, but never see (or at least comment on) the other side... that's because the other side is Greg Brooks' side, and that's because I do have a good and valid point which I know you can see. BUT, because I make it in a mocking piss-taking way that throws scorn on ENDLESS harping back to an ancient episode, you simply refuse to be impartial once again. Nothing changes with you.

Why don't you say ALL that you think. Express your ENTIRE feelings on the matter. It's fine that you have a go at me and point out the errors of my ways as you perceive it, but be fair and balanced, and have the courage too to tell John that you ALSO have noticed he does mention this thing at least every month or every other month. You know it to be true, so say it.

Try being fair. I've said this to you before when you expressed only one half of your views in order not to upset one of your friends. I believe that like me and others on QZ you should have the courage of your convictions.

Now, right now, you will have a further pop at me rather than say, "True, Greg, I recognise that John does go on and on about that lost tape. Fair cop. It is tedious, I agree. JOhn, please stop going on about it because it's really old news now. Thank you mate." That would be such a refreshing change; you being completely fair and expressing here on QZ (for JSS to see too) the WHOLE truth, not just edited parts of it.

Are you big enough to admit the truth in what I say YV? Or even to see it?

PLEASE TRY TO OFFER A FAIR AND CONSIDERED REPLY. I don't think that's much to ask or expect.


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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 17:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Please, document for us the exact times that John has mentioned the Ibex issue on QZ.

Yes, he has talked about it in the past, and it did come up it recently (in a thread about missing items nonetheless, go figure). But your piss-take response, and your attitude now, seems to indicate that that is all he ever talks about.

So, rather than sit here and get into (yet another) extended and silly argument, why not provide the research for us. Show me exactly when and where John discussed the issue (heck, throw in QOL if you like) and then let us judge.

Until then, stop trying to stir up the pot, Greg.


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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 18:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OK Maz.... Here is where it is mentioned by John AGAIN...

In the thread called OPEN LETTER TO GREG BROOKS Re:1974 URIS THEATER PLAYBILL

This thread had/has NOTHING to do with John's lost tape whatsoever. But regardless of that he still added yet again...

JSS: Strange, but personally treasured and valuable material I contributed to Queen Productions for the 'Freddie Mercury Box Set' also 'mysteriously vanished', and was later confirmed to have 'been stolen'.

Unfortunately, this material has now been bootlegged to death since, and I have never made a single penny (or trade) from this material...

GB: So there you Mazzy baby.


Maz: So, rather than sit here and get into (yet another) extended and silly argument, why not provide the research for us. Show me exactly when and where John discussed the issue.
Until then, stop trying to stir up the pot, Greg.

GB: Well I've pointed you at the latest example so there you are; I have provided what you suggested. I can't do more than that but you HATE to accept what is clear so what's the point. You can't see further than your nose Maz and I'm quite sure that you are a friend of YV. It's obvious and tediously transparent.



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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 19:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry, Greg, I won't take your bait. I may not be able to see further than my nose, as you say, but at least I can read a post.

I will now point out that I already acknowledged that John talked about the Ibex tapes that thread that you mention.

Maz wrote:


Yes, he has talked about it in the past, and it did come up it recently (in a thread about missing items nonetheless, go figure).


I asked that you find more evidence, other than that one event, but you didn't.

Maz wrote:

Please, document for us the exact times that John has mentioned the Ibex issue on QZ.

...

So, rather than sit here and get into (yet another) extended and silly argument, why not provide the research for us. Show me exactly when and where John discussed the issue (heck, throw in QOL if you like) and then let us judge.


C'mon, do some research if you actually want people to believe you. You said he always brings it up; show us. Stop trying to create an argument because you get bored after midnight.

And it is a well-known fact that YV hates me.

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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 19:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"And it is a well-known fact that YV hates me."

oh shoot - I will get at least 7 emails about that...


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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 20:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg, would you please let us know the "live" contents of Queens Piggy Bank again, the audio and video if you can.Fair enough if the band and Jim Beach won't let you reveal the exact track listings and any rehearsal footage, but if you could tell us the dates,it would be something, after all a lot of the experts have given you and the band a massive amount of info.
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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 20:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zeni/Maz (Meni/Zaz...?): you practically thieved the very lexemes from the promontory of my tongue.

I'd wager that John has mentioned this issue on no more than 4 separate occasions (threads, here or otherwise) within the last three years; which is hardly symptomatic of someone who "mention[s] a lot" or "keep[s] on referring back to" or makes "copious references to" or indulges in "ENDLESS harping back to" or who "mentions this thing at least every month or every other month".

Here's hoping the professional archivist can wade through the QZ archives and find some archival material worthy of release to the public to validate his, as yet, unfounded claims.



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Posted: 30 Aug 07, 23:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Didn't "Karaoke Queen" get screwed over by Queen Productions / GB as well? Does anyone remember the details?


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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 00:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Good old wars are still going on on QZ...

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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 04:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why can't we be friends?...


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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 05:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

Good old wars are still going on on QZ...


bigV wrote:

Why can't we be friends?...


I do not think you have seen me 'get down and dirty' or revert to sarcasm, so I fail to see why people think some big feud exists between US.

While it is true that we cannot control those who do – or do not like us, it does not automatically mean that this hostility is a two-way street.



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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 05:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You know I think it's time everyone calmed down a little, especially you Greg.

John sent you a tape, a very rare very precious tape, from his collection. It got lost and was bootlegged. If that happened to me I'd be pissed off too.

Look at it this way: rare Queen material has a greater value than just the songs themselves; they can be traded for other songs. John recently posted on here that he lacks a copy of Face it Alone. Perhaps he might have traded this tape for it.

I am sure you've apologised many times, and I am sure you are fed up with hearing John mention it. But is that any reason to launch this tirade? I think not. It’s seems a bit of an over reaction to say the least.



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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 09:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This must be a joke. Greg is really a 12 year old pretending to be someone else, or a grown adult with the maturity level of a 12 year old.
Jeez. Bet he's single.


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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 11:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I am sure you've apologised many times, and I am sure you are fed up with hearing John mention it. But is that any reason to launch this tirade? I think not. It’s seems a bit of an over reaction to say the least.


Well, I think it is an over-reaction, but I also think that it is Greg's way of doing a bit of comedy here. Example: Mrs. Brooks's fictional conversation with JSS. Well, really the whole thing was meant to be funny, I think (I laughed), while making Greg's point (which is the same point he has made before, answering the same points that JSS has made before).

And then there is the subsequent over-reaction of those who feel the need to say much worse things to Greg than what Greg has ever said to JSS or what JSS would ever want to say to Greg. Some of the comments (not your comments) from those who are not Greg or JSS, I would consider to be vicious and mean spirited, much beyond what is required for the issue here (the compensation for the tape).

The only issue of importance here is monetary compensation or compensation to JSS via an item that is rare. But why must we all be involved with that negotiation? That should have been handled privately a long time ago, I think. Or handled privately now.

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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 13:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Donna13 wrote:

CllrP wrote:


I am sure you've apologised many times, and I am sure you are fed up with hearing John mention it. But is that any reason to launch this tirade? I think not. It’s seems a bit of an over reaction to say the least.


Well, I think it is an over-reaction, but I also think that it is Greg's way of doing a bit of comedy here. Example: Mrs. Brooks's fictional conversation with JSS. Well, really the whole thing was meant to be funny, I think (I laughed), while making Greg's point (which is the same point he has made before, answering the same points that JSS has made before).

And then there is the subsequent over-reaction of those who feel the need to say much worse things to Greg than what Greg has ever said to JSS or what JSS would ever want to say to Greg. Some of the comments (not your comments) from those who are not Greg or JSS, I would consider to be vicious and mean spirited, much beyond what is required for the issue here (the compensation for the tape).

The only issue of importance here is monetary compensation or compensation to JSS via an item that is rare. But why must we all be involved with that negotiation? That should have been handled privately a long time ago, I think. Or handled privately now.


With respect Donna13 - I think you totally miss the point completely.

This is NOT about cassette tapes or compensation. Rather it is more about respect between the band and their fan-base, and certainly repect between QZ members.

Especially the lack of respect which eminates from certain quarters. I too can ask 'why must we all be involved with that negotiation...' Unfortunately, I am not the one who decided to air this dirty laundry in public.

As for you thinking that '...really the whole thing was meant to be funny', and 'that it is Greg's way of doing a bit of comedy here...', from where I sit, this seems a lot more like common schoolboy bullying tactics than a serious attempt at humour.

I am really pleased that you find the insulting behaviour of one member against another meets your criteria for entertainment, but, if that is 'your bag so to speak', perhaps you find poking school children with sharp sticks just as amusing?


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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 13:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Donna13 wrote:

CllrP wrote:


I am sure you've apologised many times, and I am sure you are fed up with hearing John mention it. But is that any reason to launch this tirade? I think not. It’s seems a bit of an over reaction to say the least.


Well, I think it is an over-reaction, but I also think that it is Greg's way of doing a bit of comedy here. Example: Mrs. Brooks's fictional conversation with JSS. Well, really the whole thing was meant to be funny, I think (I laughed), while making Greg's point (which is the same point he has made before, answering the same points that JSS has made before).

And then there is the subsequent over-reaction of those who feel the need to say much worse things to Greg than what Greg has ever said to JSS or what JSS would ever want to say to Greg. Some of the comments (not your comments) from those who are not Greg or JSS, I would consider to be vicious and mean spirited, much beyond what is required for the issue here (the compensation for the tape).

The only issue of importance here is monetary compensation or compensation to JSS via an item that is rare. But why must we all be involved with that negotiation? That should have been handled privately a long time ago, I think. Or handled privately now.


With respect Donna13 - I think you totally miss the point completely.

This is NOT about cassette tapes or compensation. Rather it is more about resepect between the band and their fan-base, and certainly repect between QZ members.

Especially the lack of respect which eminates from certain quarters. I too can ask 'why must we all be involved with that negotiation...' Unfortunately, I am not the one who decided to air this dirty laundry in public.

As for you thinking that '...really the whole thing was meant to be funny', and 'that it is Greg's way of doing a bit of comedy here...', from where I sit, this seems a lot more like common schoolboy bullying tactics than a serious attempt at humour.

I am really pleased that you find the insulting behaviour of one member against another meets your criteria for entertainment, but, if that is 'your bag so to speak', perhaps you find poking school children with sharp sticks just as amusing?


Well, I rarely miss a point completely, so I have to disagree with you, with respect, of course. No, it is not Greg poking fun at you in particular that I find funny. I wouldn't want him or anyone else poking fun at me, especially endlessly, and I don't think he should poke fun at you. If I could push a button and make him stop it, I would. Especially if it is taken seriously by others and is hurtful in any way to anyone (and I do think that the escalation of these arguments by by-standers here does become hurtful). It becomes like a bar brawl. Innocent bystanders getting chairs thrown at them and pushed out onto the street by the bouncer.

It is his writing that I find funny. When he goes on and on and repeats the same ideas over and over. To me this is like a comedian getting into a rhythm. It is hard to explain. Anyway, I knew it would be misunderstood here if I said Greg was funny. But everything here is misunderstood it seems. Except for purposeful comments meant to belittle others and shake their confidence. That is very clearly happening here. At least some of us (with common sense or a sense of humor) take Greg's comments with a grain of salt.

And no, I don't think poking school children with sharp sticks is funny or hurting anyone else on purpose is funny or amusing. My goodness. The things we have to defend ourselves of on Queenzone!

If the two of you could get your dispute solved in a way that would be beneficial to both of you, I would be the first to stand up and cheer.

I am not on either side, just the side of getting it solved without further insults.

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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 13:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

DONNA13,JSS is quite entitled to his property back or if that can't be done, maybe they could come to some sort of monetary compensation and/ or something of equal value.

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Posted: 31 Aug 07, 13:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

DARREN1977 wrote:

DONNA13,JSS is quite entitled to his property back or if that can't be done, maybe they could come to some sort of monetary compensation and/ or something of equal value.


Yes. I agree. But I don't know how they would put a value on something that was so prized. Anyway, that is why I brought up the idea of forgiveness. I hope that the two of them can figure something out (monetary or otherwise) that makes both of them happy.

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Serry... wrote:

Good old wars are still going on on QZ...


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Why can't we be friends?...



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bigV wrote:

Why can't we be friends?...



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