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Posted: 23 Sep 07, 21:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I came across this interesting question while watching a special on World War 2 with my Dad on PBS....

When a man was drafted into the war, I'm sure everyone knows this already, but he was asked if he liked girls. If he said he was gay, he wouldn't be allowed to go overseas and serve. If he was straight, he'd almost certainly be sent to Asia or Europe to fight sometime in the near future.

So I wondered... what would people these days do? If you were drafted to fight in World War 2, would you say you were gay just to get out of what could very possibly get you killed? Or would you decide that fighting for your country was more important?

I cannot really decide... Saying you're gay if you're not seems selfish. Even saying you're gay when you really are seems selfish.

Ah, I was wondering what others would do; Doesn't have to be just guys. Girls should give their opinion as well. :o


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Posted: 23 Sep 07, 21:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

^ That's what John Densmore from The Doors did. XDDDDD

Even if I wasn't a gay man, I'd say I was and get the hell out of there. XD I think it'd be more selfish to avoid saying so and end up a casualty...


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Posted: 23 Sep 07, 23:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=660066>Carol wrote:

^ That's what John Densmore from The Doors did. XDDDDD

Even if I wasn't a gay man, I'd say I was and get the hell out of there. XD I think it'd be more selfish to avoid saying so and end up a casualty...



really? i just got done reading his book i dont remember him saying that! interesting. i mustve missed something >.>


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 04:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote:

I cannot really decide... Saying you're gay if you're not seems selfish. Even saying you're gay when you really are seems selfish.

I don't see what's so selfish about going to a war that I didn't start, to defend a country that maybe I don't even like, for a cause that I probably don't even agree with. And with high chances of being killed.

I don't think I owe my country any kind of "loyalty". If I ever owe anyone loyalty, it would be my friends, wife, kids... And if you ask my friends and my girlfriend right now what they think of it, I'm pretty sure most (all?) of them will say they wouldn't be happy if I was sent to a brutal war like the WWII.

Anyway, judging by my looks and actions, I doubt they'd believe I'm not gay anyway. ;D


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 05:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY

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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 14:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Eh,  I've decided I'd say I was gay. xD


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 14:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gay any day!


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 15:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How ironic! - this display of manly pride and power from our fellow male zoners! :P I understand the girls' point of view, but you guys? This just goes to show that modern tolerance does work its magic. On the other hand, if you were living during WW II and having the mentality of those days, you'd go live in the trenches for the rest of your lives, than risk your reputation and state you were gay. But then again I may be wrong...


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The simple solution to preserve both your reputation and your life is to tell the military you are gay, but to tell everyone else how badly you fooled those moronic military suits.


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd fight for Scotland.

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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ahhh...pussies...

im not a guy so maybe im wrong
BUT
i think

a] being straight and saying you're gay just to get away seems the lowest thing
b] being gay and saying it just to get away with its again damn low and all wrong

heck, its not something relevant for a war, gay or not;
what is it that one can do and the other can't?

id definetly go to war, just knowing others are there and they can die while im running away from it, wouldnt make me happy with myself.... but that's just me......



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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Micrówave wrote:

I'd fight for Scotland.

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uhhh if Gerry Butler joins, then you can count me in too! Aye! :E


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Ahhh...pussies...

im not a guy so maybe im wrong
BUT
i think

a] being straight and saying you're gay just to get away seems the lowest thing
b] being gay and saying it just to get away with its again damn low and all wrong

heck, its not something relevant for a war, gay or not;
what is it that one can do and the other can't?

id definetly go to war, just knowing others are there and they can die while im running away from it, wouldnt make me happy with myself.... but that's just me......


Ha! Great minds think alike! And when did you move to Switzerland? xD


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And when did you move to Switzerland?


since i heard its neutral teritory...........


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Woodie wrote:

Ahhh...pussies...

im not a guy so maybe im wrong
BUT
i think

a] being straight and saying you're gay just to get away seems the lowest thing
b] being gay and saying it just to get away with its again damn low and all wrong

heck, its not something relevant for a war, gay or not;
what is it that one can do and the other can't?

id definetly go to war, just knowing others are there and they can die while im running away from it, wouldnt make me happy with myself.... but that's just me......

They're dying because they're morons. If a whole nation refuses to fight in a war, what would the government do? Arrest everybody?

I'm sorry, I'd rather be "safe" in jail than be sent to the war. If we're all living in "free" countries, why do we have to risk our lives when sometimes we don't even agree with our country's arguments to justify the war...?


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Woodie wrote:

And when did you move to Switzerland?


since i heard its neutral teritory...........


:O AHA! So much for your fighting in the war then, eh?!


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Posted: 24 Sep 07, 16:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=gray>Gratzi wrote:

:O AHA! So much for your fighting in the war then, eh?!


Oops, busted!.......... Nah, i really meant what i wrote up there

and to Raf......
sorry, but i think you're totally wrong
why?
cause 1 - i HONESTLY doubt a whole country would refuse to fight
and 2 - i never meant they should MAKE people go to war, but those who wouldn't.... let's just say
i would not think the best of them..

and dont get me wrong, im 100% against wars, but if needed, they could count on me.....

.....and thats all i have to say about it *breaths now*


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<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

I'm sorry, I'd rather be "safe" in jail than be sent to the war.


Haha! In jail you would be anything but 'safe'. Let's think of the means of torture they had back then in prisons... On second thought, let's not! It's not a pretty sight.

If we're all living in "free" countries, why do we have to risk our lives when sometimes we don't even agree with our country's arguments to justify the war...?


Simply because you are not personally rulling the country. You voted for several representatives who are, theoretically speaking, your voice! They are taking this type of decisions with the pretext that they are for your own safety and in your own interest.


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Posted: 26 Sep 07, 14:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would say loud and clear:

GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY..........GAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!

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Posted: 28 Sep 07, 05:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=gray>Gratzi wrote:

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

I'm sorry, I'd rather be "safe" in jail than be sent to the war.


Haha! In jail you would be anything but 'safe'. Let's think of the means of torture they had back then in prisons... On second thought, let's not! It's not a pretty sight.

If we're all living in "free" countries, why do we have to risk our lives when sometimes we don't even agree with our country's arguments to justify the war...?


Simply because you are not personally rulling the country. You voted for several representatives who are, theoretically speaking, your voice! They are taking this type of decisions with the pretext that they are for your own safety and in your own interest.

I can imagine Italy, Germany and the USSR torturing people who refused to fight... But UK, France and the US weren't very likely to do that, were they? Besides, you said it yourself... With the PRETEXT that they are for my own safety and interest...

See the Iraq war, for example. How many American soldiers have been killed until now, and how many civil Americans were killed in their own territory by Iraqis? That war definitely hasn't improved "safety" in America. And we can't forget the attacks in Madrid and London could have never happened if those countries hadn't joined the war.

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and to Raf......
sorry, but i think you're totally wrong
why?
(...)
and 2 - i never meant they should MAKE people go to war, but those who wouldn't.... let's just say
i would not think the best of them..

and dont get me wrong, im 100% against wars, but if needed, they could count on me.....

I don't care what other people would think of me. My wife and children mean more to me than "my people". Why should I die and leave my wife and children crying at home to save a bunch of idiots whose lives I don't give a fuck for?

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I'm sorry, but you all can make a very low profile of me if you wish, but I really refuse to be in a war. Maybe it's not likely that a whole country would follow me, but hey, I think people like me are growing in number.

Each country has a professional army. People who get paid to defend the country. If the government wants a war, fine, send them. If they all die, the war is lost, period.

If there are civil people who want to die for their countries, good, but not ALL civil people are like that.


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