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Posted: 06 Nov 07, 13:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/feature-soccer-replay.html

Good arguments on both sides.

And I love the last sentence, because it's SO true:

"The use of video replay would not only cut into the newspapers' and television shows' action, but it would also spell the end of Italy's second national pastime – arguing."

Anyway, I digress. Let's hear your thoughts!



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Posted: 06 Nov 07, 13:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Joseph Blatter won't introduce video replay because then he won't be able to interfere and having games fixed. Such actions are justified by saying it was the referee's mistake.

After the two disallowed goal by Spain in the 2002 World Cup, it's more than clear that FIFA is a corrupt organization.


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Posted: 06 Nov 07, 14:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with Mr. Jingles.

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And I love the last sentence, because it's SO true:

"The use of video replay would not only cut into the newspapers' and television shows' action, but it would also spell the end of Italy's second national pastime – arguing."


The last sentence is so UNTRUE. Italians would keep on arguing.


Oh, and the ban on Zalyeta was revoked some days later when a NEW video showed that, even if there was no contact between Zalayeta and Buffon, there was a contact between Zalayeta and Legrottaglie (a Juventus player). In my opinion, that was not what made Zalayeta jump, he made a real flight. Am I still arguing or not?


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 06:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This article is so full of stereotypes, it makes me laugh:

"...in a country noted for its corrupt politicians and the Mafia...

...In general, Italians have never heard a conspiracy theory they didn't like...

...it would have a damaging effect on the spirited discourse about soccer that always takes place between Italians during a water-cooler break at the office, at the corner café while enjoying their morning espresso, and while standing in line at the bakery to buy bread for that evening's supper...."

Oh please - where are pizza, o sole mio and olive oil? I never saw people waiting in line at a bakery in Italy but that would destroy the picture.

On topic: the video proof would take away a lot of the football game. Results are not always fair but life isn't either. To stop the game every 5 minutes to check if a decision was correct or not would kill the flow of the game and make it more technical and less human. Mistakes happen and in the long run every team wins or loses by them. Only corrupt referees could be stopped by a video proof but luckily most referees are not corrupt.




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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 07:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

YourValentine wrote:

On topic: the video proof would take away a lot of the football game. Results are not always fair but life isn't either. To stop the game every 5 minutes to check if a decision was correct or not would kill the flow of the game and make it more technical and less human. Mistakes happen and in the long run every team wins or loses by them. Only corrupt referees could be stopped by a video proof but luckily most referees are not corrupt.


Well, it doesn't have to be like that. The referee shouldn't use the video proof to check it's a throw in or not. But I think they should put camera in the goals to see if it's a goal or not.


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 07:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Please, call it "football", okay? Thanks!

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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 08:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Being a Newbie to the world of soccerdom, I don't feel like I have a whole lot I can add to the conversation. However, in the time that Marko and I have been going to games, I have had some things explained to me. (And I seriously owe him for taking the time and patience to explain the game to me...and even attempting to explain offside rule, without getting snappy at my complete ignorance of the game)
One of the things I've had explained to me (and indeed one of the reasons I am starting to really like the game) is the continuous motion. The games take exactly 90 minutes...no more. This ensures fluid action on the field. (And is also one of the complaints most people have about "American Football"...but I like American football as well!) Having video replay would break up the action, which I'm sure will have people screaming.
Someone already mentioned this, but do you know how long these games would run if they had video replay and had to use it every time there was a call someone disagreed with? Sheesh! I just watched my Now MAC West Conference Champions university football team play our rival last night on ESPN 2, and we easily added 20 minutes to the 4th quarter asking for video review of a potential touchdown (or in my opinion, two touchdowns). And you can't guarantee the video will catch what you want...last night it was a determination of whether or not the football broke the plane, and you couldn't SEE the football because the play started on the one yard line and all you could see was a MASS of football players, shoving with all of their might in one direction or the other.
I don't have any knowledge of FIFA or anything like that, so I can't really say anything on that. But is there really that great of a demand for video replay in soccer?


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 09:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@ Miracle: what about other vital decisions like red card (can be deadly for a team), penalty, corner leading to a goal etc. ? I can name a dozen of infamous referee mistakes in the history of football but just to name one example:

The famous 1966 Wembley goal has been shown on TV millions of times and people are still arguing if the ball crossed the line or not. A video replay would not have helped at all. It just was too hard to tell.

If video replay should be introduced it would be about all controversial decisions, a horrible idea for me.


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 09:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"and we easily added 20 minutes to the 4th quarter asking for video review of a potential touchdown (or in my opinion, two touchdowns). And you can't guarantee the video will catch what you want.."

yes excactly, how annoying. And nothing to go mad about!


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 09:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not 100% sure about video replay but I do agree that technology should be used to improve referee decisions instead of relying 100% on what the referee and the linesmen see.

With all the technological advancements, a pocket computer could tell a referee with exact precision whether if there was an offside or not.


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 09:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There should be goal-line cameras to see if a ball has crossed the line or not. Just imagine if we had those in 1966: we wouldn't have had to listen to 40-odd years of Englands fans carping on about how they won the world cup.


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 10:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Holly2003 wrote:

There should be goal-line cameras to see if a ball has crossed the line or not. Just imagine if we had those in 1966: we wouldn't have had to listen to 40-odd years of Englands fans carping on about how they won the world cup.


That's what I meant... I mean, even with tennis they use the "hawk eye" already! At least they should use a goal-line camera imo. But I agree that you can't use them for everything. It will kill the game.


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 11:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As a traditionalist, this makes me very worried for soccer. But then, Baseball acknowledged discussions of the same type for the first time this year, also.

Clearly, it seems to be working in other sports, such as football. While it does stop down games, it's not happening on every play or every other one for that matter. Teams are given a set amount of "challenges". Plus all questionable plays are reviewed in the final two minutes. So, if anything, it's made the game last about fifteen minutes longer. Is that a lot? I don't think so.

But here, we're dealing with a sport that uses an 'exact time' clock. Now you have to break that up. If you're going to do that, you're going to have to leave the door open for stoppage for other reasons in the future. Might as well put a game clock up there in the scoreboard and start issuing time-outs.

What's next? Penalty shots to break up ties? If soccer wants to continue at the level it is, should it be doing what all the sports are already doing or should it set the bar for other sports? Good question.

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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 13:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think a goal camera would not be the end of the story. Most controversies are not about the ball crossing the line or not crossing the line. Most controversies are about penalties, red cards, offside position etc. Once you start using video, it will get worse and worse. I would not like football matches to be interrupted all the time.

Also, the flow of a match would be disturbed if decisions get reviewed all the time. Football has a lot to do with atmosphere, emotion, crowd noise. Many people think that an angry team and angry crowd can win a game.


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 14:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

YourValentine wrote:

I think a goal camera would not be the end of the story. Most controversies are not about the ball crossing the line or not crossing the line. Most controversies are about penalties, red cards, offside position etc. Once you start using video, it will get worse and worse. I would not like football matches to be interrupted all the time.


Seconded!That is why I quitted watching rugby matches.

Also, the flow of a match would be disturbed if decisions get reviewed all the time. Football has a lot to do with atmosphere, emotion, crowd noise.


Let us not forget about the strategies before a match, which unfortunatelly disolve during the game. That's one of my biggest regrets.




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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 14:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 14:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

triple! sorry! *blushes* never happened to me before. :S there's a first time for everything! Dang!


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Posted: 07 Nov 07, 23:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's ridiculous. It's like asking 'should video replay be used by NASA?'.


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Posted: 08 Nov 07, 12:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

soccer?

what's soccer


oh, you mean FOOTBALL


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Posted: 08 Nov 07, 12:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Go to GOOGLE.COM, or any search engine and simply type in "Football".

What comes up? Football or Soccer?