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Posted: 27 Nov 07, 03:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Almost two and an half year since her disappearance in Aruba... And still no body and nobody locked in. And that's what frustrates me.

But I'm really glad that the case is re-opened now and I hope they find the evidence they need to keep Joran van der Sloot behind bars for the rest of his life. Because.... for me it's really clear. He smells!!

Some interesting facts about my dear Dutch friend Joran:


1. He lied at the time of her disappearance. From the very beginning, Joran never came clean as to what happened the night Natalee got into the car with him. From his made up story about the security guards, giving him and his pals ten days to clean up the evidence, to the mythical trip to the lighthouse; it was all fabricated.

2. He continues to lie in his recent interviews. Satish did not pick him up from the beach as Joran claimed which means if it was not Satish or Deepak who picked him up according to phone and computer records, how did he get home? There are other details he continues to polish and edit even though his timeline remains incredulous.

3. He has been arrogant about Beth Twitty since the first night he met her. When a grieving mother arrives at your house and asks where her missing daughter is, an innocent person would be humble and helpful. Not Joran the Arrogant. His reaction to her upon being asked about the whereabouts of Natalee? "How should I KNOW?" A little defensive there, Joran? Isn't it remarkable that innocent people do not get defensive...

4. He never offered to help look for Natalee. Even in the ten days when he was not a suspect and with all the information he COULD have given to police as to her whereabouts, he never moved his irresponsible butt one inch towards a search party. That is not only beyond belief, it is disgusting.

5. He and his family refused to let police search their property or his apartment. If a young man has nothing to hide, he would cooperate fully with the authorities. If a young man has a crime to hide, he would not. Do the math.

6. He continues to hint that it was Deepak who raped and murdered Natalee Holloway. Doesn't this sound a LITTLE like OJ hinting it was the Columbian drug lords who killed Nicole Brown Simpson. Or Robert Blake HINTING that while he was in the restaurant for fifteen minutes someone happened along and saw the wife he abhorred in a car and blew her away. Don't you love HINTS? Very clever ruses, huh?

Of course, there is no physical or circumstantial evidence that Joran did anything wrong due to three facts:

1. Joran stalled the investigation for ten days while the car was being thoroughly cleaned and evidence was destroyed.

2. The Dutch and Aruban authorities, beyond nabbing a marijuana dealer caught IN THE ACT, were about as proficient in solving a murder as Ashlee Simpson was in carrying a tune on, "Saturday Night Live."

3. The Dutch government had (and HAS) little interest in solving this case.


Beside that, there are several girls saying that they have been abused by Joran. Joran liked to feed teenagers drunk to have sex with them. And an ex-girlfriend admitted recently that she has been raped by him once.

This guy deserves to be in jail. But I'm afraid it's going to be hard to keep him there.



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Posted: 27 Nov 07, 08:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's clear that they've found something else to get him on...possibly a body. That would help a lot, though at this point I'm not sure how much good it will do since any physical evidence if he raped her will be long gone. They wouldn't have brought him back for questioning if they had.
Joran is slime...I knew from the beginning this guy was hiding something. He was far too nonchalant and "whatever" about this in public. If it were me fighting charges of something like this you better believe I'd be doing all I could to help the investigation (like a decent human being) and also be more proactive on clearing my own name. But this guy just does nothing, hinders the investigation in every way possible, and has his FATHER the JUDGE in on the act to be as obstinate as possible with the authorities.
Problem is you can't lock a guy away on a hunch or a feeling that he did it...even though that is usually right. You need to have proof. Sad part is that even if they were to find a body tomorrow, that probably won't be enough to lock him away. Like OJ, he might get away with murder.



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Posted: 27 Nov 07, 12:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All the more reason NOT to trust the Dutch...

Watch them. Watch them closely.

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Posted: 27 Nov 07, 13:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Micrówave wrote:

All the more reason NOT to trust the Dutch...

Watch them. Watch them closely.


Let's see what Tijn has got to say about this :P


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Posted: 27 Nov 07, 16:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Micrówave wrote:

All the more reason NOT to trust the Dutch...

Watch them. Watch them closely.


You sound like Dr. Phil! "Boycot Aruba and everything that's Dutch"! Well, lemme open your eyes. This is just one Dutch person. Like there are no wrong Americans. I can tell you, I want to see him in jail also. Just like most of the Dutch people.


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Posted: 27 Nov 07, 22:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i personally think natalee was a stupid girl. she went off with strange men, and her fate has hopefully opened the eyes of young travellers. trust noone, even if its a beautiful place, and seemingly nice people.

some carribean islands have a very low crime rate, (i honestly cant remember if aruba is one) and some take advantage of the atmosphere. but its still no excuse to not heed caution in ANY place. when i went to GC last year, its all anyone would talk about. GC has a low crime rate and people would still tell me not to go out with people you dont know. its common sense, intoxicated or not. and it was pretty shitty of her friends not to stop her too. theyre looking pretty shameful right now.


i have no sympathy for natalee for that reason. her family, i do have my condolenses, but i hope they couldve tried instilling her some common sense. i hope for their sanity they get some closure on this. its not aruba's or the dutch's fault for this issue. just a stupid girl, and a foolish man.


and thats my tangent. im sure others may slaugther me or agree.


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Posted: 28 Nov 07, 03:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know she's been a bit naïve, Aylen... But she's a young girl. Having some drinks, then meeting a guy who seems to like her and paying a lot of attention to her. I think a lot of girls would have gone with him. And as it seems, a lot of girls stepped into his trap before Natalee.... with the difference that they didn't end up missing.


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Posted: 28 Nov 07, 11:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Mir@cle wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

All the more reason NOT to trust the Dutch...

Watch them. Watch them closely.


You sound like Dr. Phil! "Boycot Aruba and everything that's Dutch"!


That's right. I have not had Dutch Chocolate since this whole case started going bad. NOW finally something appears to be happening in the case. Besides, there's no difference between Dutch Chocolate and regular Chocolate IS THERE!!

Maybe Natalie wanted to disappear.