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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 15:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello folks, here is another first:
If You Can't beat Them Join Them - welcoming a new member / old fan Mike Ryde.

Edit: removed the link to Mike's gear.
I thought he wanted it to be posted - a misunderstanding, sorry

Enjoy:)





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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 15:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is with a glad Heart that I put aside my ordinarily reticent Disposition—for I have long dedicated myself to the attainment of a certain Brevity of style in Discourse which I believe conveys the Discretion appropriate to a Gentleman's gentleman - and announce to one and all that.....Shame that the ability doesn't match the gear...

Painful to listen to.


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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 16:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the music is pretty good (with some false notes here and there) but the vocal isn't really great.


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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 16:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Any constructive criticisms gratefully received.
:-)


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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 16:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I suppose that I should expound...

The vocals are out of time, and out of tune. Musically, there are some good parts, but, you see, I am pretty well a perfectionist, as well as a paid professional musician myself.

Anything amiss drives me completely nuts. That said, there are a few intervals that are vocal free that are decent.

In checking out the website, I kind of meant what I said. The gear is cool. The playing on the tracks on your site? To me, spotty. If you're gonna rip off the best, you'd better have the chops to do it justice.


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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 17:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ok! HC, do you have any 'Queen' work you've covered yourself to enlighten me and help provide lesser mortals with a bench-mark (other than Queen of course)?

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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 17:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey Mike, Sounds like you had a fun time making that track.. and thats what its all about! Nice drum programming.. you managed to capture some of RT's idyosysyncracies. Your vocal is a bit hot in the mix.. crank those guitars up.. Brian would! Maybe a tad of pitch shift on your vocal would help smooth things out +- 8 or so cents on either side. You got guts to leave it as raw as it is, everyone hides behind auto-tune these days. I enjoyed your site and all the guitar related stuff. Great little snippets of guitar solos etc. I think youve definatley captured the spirit of Brian May.

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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 18:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks ezee.

IYCBTJT feels very much like it was recorded live with a few overdubs later. The drum programming was the hardest bit to do, oh for a real drummer!



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Posted: 30 Nov 07, 20:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, you know, there's a nice overall -sound- on the recording.

But yeah, like someone else said, vocals are higher than everything else. I'd want to do something with that tingy snare. Bit machine-gun like for my liking.

It's a nice cover and while I share the feeling about the vocals, it was pretty nice. But yeah, the vocal is a tad high and a little "essy". Needs a de-esser.

Wish I had proper ac30 gear! Anyway, great to hear. I wish I could submit something but my hands are tied...*groan*

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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 02:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mike, your drum programing is fine, you still managed to capture the feel of it all being played "off the floor". I think your voice may be more suited to singing a song Brian sung. Freddies style, attitude and delivery are in a class all to themselves, In my opinion he could make even the weakest of Queen songs tolerable because of his delivery.
By the way.. you got all those wonderful guitars, tube amps and analog pedals! That old 16bit O2R is killing your tone. ( i know,.. i have two of em sitting in storage gathering dust).

Great guitar man!

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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 06:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Freddies style, attitude and delivery are in a class all to themselves"
- I can't disagree with you there.

Wow, you can hear the degradation of 16 bit over an MP3 compression?..!..!

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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 12:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mikeryde wrote:

"Freddies style, attitude and delivery are in a class all to themselves"
- I can't disagree with you there.

Wow, you can hear the degradation of 16 bit over an MP3 compression?..!..!


Stranger things have happened! But seriously, it's not impossible to hear a difference with an MP3. BUT...yes, an mp3 can mask things, unfortunately. I have an mp3 of a cover I've done and while the mp3 sounds fine, the uncompressed wav sounds slightly sharp-ish. MP3 is a bit of a quandry!

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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 14:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam, my comments about 16bit were based upon the type of mixer he is using in his studio. (as per Mikes website). They were not specificaly aimed at the quality of that song. (i should have made myself more clear on that).
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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 14:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

err, i guess i ment to address my comment to mike.. im tired this morning!
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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 16:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ezee, no worries I didn't take the comment as a dig. It just surprised me that someone could here the degradation that 16bits (over 24 bits) gives when listening to the 16bit file when lossy compressed (i.e. MP3).

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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 17:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Mike!

I did enjoy your cover, especially the guitars. Very good playing and killer Brian May tone!

I think the drums are programmed pretty well. From a mix perspective, I think the drums sound brighter and cleaner than the guitars which causes the mix not to 'gel' as well as it could.

Ideally, it would help to get a bit more polish from the guitar tracks (soundwise, not performance wise!).

As far as vocals, it's a tough job to sing a Queen song!

But if you want... and this is a sincere offer which you can refuse without hurting my feelings in any way... I would love to sing that one myself over your backing track. I do a passable 'freddie' lead generally. You can listen to my covers on the stage of champions for reference.

Best,

Aric
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Posted: 01 Dec 07, 22:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd like to counter that offer from Aric and also put myself forward, IF...this is even a consideration. I'll put up an example of what it could be like at the end of Sunday. I've got a panto show rehearsal tomorrow so I'm gonna be away a long time. But I will try and keep my promise of a demo/example file.

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Posted: 02 Dec 07, 13:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wow Mike your sparking some offers of collaberation! Soon yer gonna have all of Queenzone wanting to sing on yer backing tracks! Ive been making records since the early eighties.. These days i mostly master records. Ill offer up a nice big thick Queen sounding mix and master it for you guys if ya wanna take it that far.

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Posted: 02 Dec 07, 16:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm flattered by the offers, I think?



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Posted: 02 Dec 07, 17:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Definitely be flattered if Adam is offering an improvement rather than just criticism (constructive or otherwise.)