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Posted: 20 Dec 07, 04:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This one is a very complicated topic, and i am not sure i can sum it up all in one.
It all started, when i read, a thing that Brian once wrote in his Soapbox. It was something like :
" For every boy that fantasized of being a man , Freddie on stage was a visual and audio vehicle toward that goal.” This is a very free interpretation of Brian’s original quote.
He didn’t say a gay boys aspiration of being a man. He didn’t say a straight boy’s aspiration to be a flamboyant man. He didn’t mentioned sexual orientation in his comment. He mentioned male identity and the way Freddie became a living vehicle to something we now understand it is more likely to be a social structure, than a determined biological fact. To be male ,i mean and everything attached to it, in Western civilisation.
I want your thoughts in this one, and if there is interest involved, we can dig deeper.



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Posted: 20 Dec 07, 06:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wow, did Brian really say that?....
WAAaaaahhhhh!!.... I'm stunned with the intelligence of this sentence, you just have to be.. MEGA gentle and intelligent to say something about homosexuality in SUCH way!.. Wah. (for me Freddie outstage was really different from other guys, sth in his manners and way of speaking)

That's an interesting topic, Stelios:]




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Posted: 20 Dec 07, 13:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Barbie Jupiter wrote:

Wow, did Brian really say that?....
WAAaaaahhhhh!!.... I'm stunned with the intelligence of this sentence, you just have to be.. MEGA gentle and intelligent to say something about homosexuality in SUCH way!.. Wah. (for me Freddie outstage was really different from other guys, sth in his manners and way of speaking)

That's an interesting topic, Stelios:]





Manners and way of speaking...stage moves maybe, but what other way would you dish it out to the audience? And speaking - the man just spoke with charm, believe me that is a quality not to be ashamed of

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Posted: 21 Dec 07, 02:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

STELIOS wrote:

He didn’t say a gay boys aspiration of being a man. He didn’t say a straight boy’s aspiration to be a flamboyant man. He didn’t mentioned sexual orientation in his comment. He mentioned male identity and the way Freddie became a living vehicle to something we now understand it is more likely to be a social structure, than a determined biological fact....


I know this is not really anything to do with your topic but, any tribute to Freddie that manages to avoid the subject of his sexuality deserves a round of applause in my book.That's not meant in a discriminatory way, rather that it just gets old.

I guess Brian chose that description because having worked, laughed, fought and suffered with Freddie over the 20 something years Queen were together, he and the rest of the band saw him as just that.A man. Not a gay man, not a flamboyant frontman, just a man.
I think some are a little too obsessed with reading homosexuality into every little comment, move and artistic decision he made.
I'm not saying one's sexuality is entirely irrelevant but what he showed on stage first and foremost was energy, passion, charisma and talent. Those elements are what any aspiring rock star should admire and try to emulate.

It shouldn't matter but I can't help get angry when I watch a Queen vid on youtube, let's say, 'Under Pressure at Wembley', where the band are a tight unit, wowing the crowd, delivering a classic and then you scroll down and the first comment is some fool who's written 'he's so fruity' or 'that guy was like, SOOOOO gay' etc.

Regardless of what Freddie may have said and done in private, you didn't see him in public marches, campaigning for equal rights or bringing up his sexuality in every TV/radio or magazine article. Maybe we should follow his lead?

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Posted: 21 Dec 07, 13:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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