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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 11:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've noticed that on a certain Led Zeppelin tracker the members are sharing audio only DVDs of shows. They can be played on a standard DVD player and they're done in lossless audio remastered from 44Hz (cd quality) to 48Hz to be able to be burned to the DVD. I thought this was a good idea because I hate listening to a show and having to go and pop in the next disc.

Having some free time on my hands I figured I'd give it a shot with a show I got off here, Queen: Palais Omnisports de Bercy Paris, France 09-18-1984.

After gathering all the programs I needed online for the project and a few coasters later it's finished. It's a 1.24 GB DVD and it's fully tracked audio, with a black screen and I think it sounds great on my system.

So my question to you fellow zoners is, is this worth sharing?


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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sounds interesting to me.
I don't have any DVD-audio's yet. Do I need some special equipment or are they playable on standard DVD players ?

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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 12:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What's the use in 'remastering' from 44.100 to 48.100 khz ? The ranges between 44.100 & 48.100 won't just magically be added. That's the same as converting MP3 to FLAC.

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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 12:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've played it on both my computer and my DVD player. The only thing that might cause a problem for some people is the shows "black screen" is in NTSC format because that's what I have. I don't know if it'll play properly on a PAL system.


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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 12:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't see the point if the only pro is that you don't have to switch discs.


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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 12:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pim Derks wrote:

What's the use in 'remastering' from 44.100 to 48.100 khz ? The ranges between 44.100 & 48.100 won't just magically be added. That's the same as converting MP3 to FLAC.


I tried to do it with the standard 16/44 waves. But it wouldn't work and I was told that you can't burn them to a dvd, so I set up my cd player to line in and recorded through Audacity set at 16/48 to make the wave files. So it was not like converting mp3 to flac. What I ended up with was a 16/48 wave file. Traders now are making these discs with 24/96 wave files from 20 to 30 year old recordings.



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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 12:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

argie1971 wrote:

Pim Derks wrote:

What's the use in 'remastering' from 44.100 to 48.100 khz ? The ranges between 44.100 & 48.100 won't just magically be added. That's the same as converting MP3 to FLAC.


I tried to do it with the standard 16/44 waves. But it wouldn't work and I was told that you can't burn them to a dvd, so I set up my cd player to line in and recorded through Audacity set at 16/48 to make the wave files. So it was not like converting mp3 to flac. What I ended up with was a 16/48 wave file. Traders now are making these discs with 24/96 wave files from 20 to 30 year old recordings.


There is a difference between capturing old analog sourced (tape / vinyl) material directly to 24/96 (or 16/48) then making a DVD without further conversion, or converting 44 to 48 , which will only add further noise without having any positive effects.. so the simple answer is no, thats a bad idea.

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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 12:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't really see the need to convert 30 year old hissy tapes to 96khz audio btw :D

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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 13:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have some of those Zeppelin DVD-As, and honestly, I just do not hear the difference that some of these people are raving about. In some cases, there may be a 1% increase in sound quality, but basically, as someone already pointed out, the only real positive thing is that you don't have to switch discs. In conclusion, I think it's just plain not worth the effort.



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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 14:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to join the choir and say I do not feel it is really worth the effort. But then again, I usually keep my files as FLAC on my computer. (By the way, FLAC-capable hardwareplayers do exist: http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html#hardware.)

On a constructive note (I hope I do not add to the confusion now), there is also software that allows you to make use of the capacity of a DVD disc without creating a DVD Audio disc: http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/, which may be an alternative to anybody looking to burn longer-playing disc. It is NOT freeware, though!

To be sure, I haven't tried this. I wonder if there shouldn't be a problem if you try to create a disc of "45 hours AC3 192kbps" (which they mention as an example) - you can only have 99 titles per disc...

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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 19:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I use Deep Burner to burn DVD with FLAC shows without creating an Audio-DVD...this program is amazing, and free!
Try it!


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Posted: 01 Jan 08, 21:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

am i correct in assuming that the only way to utilise the extra capacity of a dvd to store audio is by converting from 44 to 48 which is a bad idea?
is there any way to store music files on a dvd as a data file without converting them and without reducing the quality.
every time i delete some show, friends ask me later for it and i have to download it again.i don't want to use dvd if it impairs the quality.


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Posted: 02 Jan 08, 09:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Oh, you can store flac files (or just about any files) on a DVD-ROM (Data DVD), and you can play them on your computer using the DVD, too. That's how I back up a lot of my music files. The quality isn't affected at all (provided that nothing went wrong when burning the disc, of course). :)

You only need special solutions if you want to be able to play a "music DVD" on a standalone DVD player.

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Posted: 02 Jan 08, 11:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I believe to make a DVD, the audio always has to be 48khz, as 44khz is not the standard for a DVD. (like PAL video is 25fps)(Don't get smart by saying this can be converted to 30fps.. that is not the point, and would make it NTSC, not Pal anymore) Having said that, I think he doesnt beef it up to 48khz for better sound, but for a working DVD.


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