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Posted: 14 Jan 08, 12:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Whilst watching the Houston DVD, I couldnt help but notice that all 4 members of the group stayed on stage for the whole song. What I am curious to know is how often did that happen?

Also, when was the last time the song was played in its entirety?


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Posted: 14 Jan 08, 12:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian's guitar solo was later in the show, so Brighton Rock was a shortened band version on the News Of The World tour.

The song was last performed in full on the Jazz tour (the last performance was Sapporo 5-6-79, to be precise).



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Posted: 14 Jan 08, 12:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for the info Bob, but do you (or anyone else) know how often that did happen, where all four remained on the stage? Did that only happen for the American market or whatever? I personally thought this version had more verve and attack about it than the familiar version did.


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Posted: 14 Jan 08, 22:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Brighton Rock" was only played as the shortened, solo-less version during the NOTW tours of 1977-1978. Apparently the band had tired of using "Ogre Battle" as the high-energy second song in the set, but "Let Me Entertain You" (which would hold that spot in the set for four years and several world tours) hadn't been written to take that spot yet. ;)

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Posted: 15 Jan 08, 00:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=FF9900>Mr Mercury</font> wrote:

Thanks for the info Bob, but do you (or anyone else) know how often that did happen, where all four remained on the stage? Did that only happen for the American market or whatever? I personally thought this version had more verve and attack about it than the familiar version did.


Like Thunderbolt said, it was played like this only on the NOTW tour... probably at every show. And I agree, it's a very agressive, and to-the-point version of the song.

Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

Queen's setlists never cease to amaze me. They're often predictable, always follow the same general formula (powerful opener, up-tempo second song, slower medley group, acoustic set, guitar solo, climax, high-energy closer, encores), and yet always please.


You're right. Even from the beginning, they were masters of crafting the setlist.



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Posted: 15 Jan 08, 12:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

<font color=FF9900>Mr Mercury</font> wrote:

Thanks for the info Bob, but do you (or anyone else) know how often that did happen, where all four remained on the stage? Did that only happen for the American market or whatever? I personally thought this version had more verve and attack about it than the familiar version did.


Like Thunderbolt said, it was played like this only on the NOTW tour... probably at every show. And I agree, it's a very agressive, and to-the-point version of the song.

Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

Queen's setlists never cease to amaze me. They're often predictable, always follow the same general formula (powerful opener, up-tempo second song, slower medley group, acoustic set, guitar solo, climax, high-energy closer, encores), and yet always please.


You're right. Even from the beginning, they were masters of crafting the setlist.


Never a truer word has been said Bob, masters they were (and still are). As for this version, like I said before, I thought it worked better. To me, everyone played and sang like demons - especially Brian who gave me the impression that he was out to prove he was the definitive "guitar God".


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Posted: 16 Jan 08, 05:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Good thread. Never knew that about Brighton Rock's position on the setlist. Occasionally a little nugget like this appears on Queenzone, but they're few and far between unfortunately.


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Posted: 17 Jan 08, 17:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks Holly!! Its not often my threads get some sort of appraisal (I dont go looking for it either) but thanks. And yes you do learn something new sometimes...


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Posted: 18 Jan 08, 01:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cheers to this thread!



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Posted: 18 Jan 08, 02:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like the short, high energy version of BR too.
Especially the Houston version is great, before Brian launched into his short solo, he makes something like a "slide" effect which I never heard in any other version. This and Freddie's awesome piano work at the end of ..."love with my car" are truly magic moments of Queen on stage for me.
Also BR from the Chicago'78 show is fantastic, where Brian played an early Hammer To Fall riff during the jam, 6 years before the song was recorded...

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Posted: 22 Jan 08, 15:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:



You're right. Even from the beginning, they were masters of crafting the setlist.


This is were Show-bizz oriented people really stand out. Some groups jaust throw songs in, and play the hit in the last, even if it doesn´t make much sense.

I once heard David Lee Roth (who´s a show man in it´s own right) justifing his "exotic" entrances in the venue with Playboy ladies dressed as bunnies and other weird stuff. He said something that i never forget. It´s something like this:

"There´s two moments of the show that people will remember the most. The begining and the ending."

That´s why he´s memorable at this two points of the show.

This man understands IT, and so do Queen.

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Posted: 23 Jan 08, 02:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Another band who had an unusual way of starting a gig was a band called Magnum.
They used to start a gig with a high energy song in which nobody knew.That takes some amount of bottle to do that.

Coming back to Queen and in particular Brighton Rock.I much prefer the Houston version myself as sometimes i feel that the way Brian plays it live on stage it tends to sometimes sag in the middle which is ,if i remember rightly,something upon which Brian said that he would endevour to avoid.Besides,the solo in Brighton Rock is about 40 or so years old now.Its due an overhaul.Maybe he should just do "Last Horizon" and leave it at that.It would also allow them to pull in another song filling in that space left by Brighton Rock

I wonder ,even,if they would attempt a few more of Freddie's songs than they did on the last tour.There again,maybe not if they've got new stuff.

Just a thought.


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Posted: 23 Jan 08, 06:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bobby_brown wrote:

Some groups jaust throw songs in, and play the hit in the last, even if it doesn´t make much sense.



Of all the concerts I have been to over the years, Robert Plant is the only one to have played his biggest solo hit (Big Log) right at the start instead of the end. I can remember thinking that was quite a bold move at the time as he could have lost those who went to the gig "out of curiosity"


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Posted: 23 Jan 08, 06:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger Meadows Tailor wrote:


Coming back to Queen and in particular Brighton Rock.I much prefer the Houston version myself as sometimes i feel that the way Brian plays it live on stage it tends to sometimes sag in the middle which is ,if i remember rightly,something upon which Brian said that he would endevour to avoid.Besides,the solo in Brighton Rock is about 40 or so years old now.Its due an overhaul.Maybe he should just do "Last Horizon" and leave it at that.It would also allow them to pull in another song filling in that space left by Brighton Rock



Thats basically what I've been saying for a while now. Although I would have him go a bit further and drop the solo all together, if just for a short while, and replace it with one or two songs. IMO, I would rather watch Brian go full tilt on other stuff like TYMD, NIH, or the new stuff depending on how good it is of course.


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Regarding the Robert Plant opening song:

Rush, during their Vapour Trails tours (if I remember correctly) opened with "Tom Sawyer", possibly their most universally best known song. I remember thinking, "Wow, where do you go from here?"

What I realized was that you don't HAVE to build up to the popular songs. Pepper them throughout the set, leave a handful for the end, and you'll leave the audience wanting more.

A post-script: They dropped "Closer To The Heart" on the last two tours, because word was they were all three of them sick of the song. I didn't even notice, until it was pointed out to me.

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Posted: 26 Jan 08, 11:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Besides,the solo in Brighton Rock is about 40 or so years old now.Its due an overhaul.Maybe he should just do "Last Horizon" and leave it at that.It would also allow them to pull in another song filling in that space left by Brighton Rock

I would rather they dropped Horizon. That is a filler song at best. Rather boring to me. I usually took that time to grab another beer. If he wants to play us a melodic solo/song give us Bijou instead.


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Posted: 27 Jan 08, 23:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I hate that stupid guitar solo....drives me mad.


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