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Posted: 08 Feb 08, 19:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 09 Feb 08, 05:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

no disrespect to you. but the one thing these two multitracks have done - is make almost everyone a "remixer"

sorry to say this...but what have you actually remixed?
there's nothing much going on except for muting some channels, i can't hear much else different


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Posted: 09 Feb 08, 08:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

no disrespect to you. but the one thing these two multitracks have done - is make almost everyone a "remixer"

sorry to say this...but what have you actually remixed?
there's nothing much going on except for muting some channels, i can't hear much else different



Sure I understand with these multitracks everyone can enjoy and play around a little with the channels. That doesn´t garantee quality, as anyone can now remix the whole thing much easier than before.

Most of the work was indeed muting channels. Most of the different stuff is in the rock part. The guitar solo is a bit longer with a repeat section with different guitar sound. In the rock part, I mostly muted the guitar, made the drum section a bit longer, introducing the piano first and then the vocals. The guitar only comes later. The final guitar has a different sound (not sure if an alternate take or just a section of the original sound).

So, besides muting channels, I just pasted a longer guitar solo part with piano, and introduced a "drum-only" section, where drum, piano, vocals and guitar come to the Rock part in a sequence, and not together.

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Posted: 09 Feb 08, 11:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agreed with Brenski on this. The people who put together proper remixes in this section do it with creative ways of thinking. So, when something like this shows up, it's not thought of in the same way, i.e. repeating a section just to hear something different is not much of a creative choice. Mainly because this sounds like someone messing with the original elements. A view reinforced when I hear lead vocals and pianos coming out of extreme left and right channels. That's the kind of thing they used to do when stereo was first introduced and they played with it like this!

The only nice moment to me was the last quiet bit of piano with a close-up vocal. Everything else sounded a bit of a mish-mash.

Adam.

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Posted: 09 Feb 08, 13:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I too agree with Mr. Brenski.
Perhaps this is the negative side of having all 24 tracks placed before us - endless valueless 'remixes' which bring nothing new to the table.

Commercially, both the 'Beatles Anthologies' and the 'Freddie Mercury Box' sets faced very similar problems. However, their professional solution in overcoming this difficulty was to focus on the DIFFERENCES - and not the similarities between the final releases.
Simply: If the officially released, loved and tested 'Bohemain Rhapsody' is the 'North pole' - what I am looking for in an 'Alternative version' is a 'South pole' eqivilent.

My ideal mix (if anyone was up for it) would be a 'hybrid mix' which featured as many differences from the original as possible - but still using the original template.
For example: Keep the same stereo map as the original, but feature lead vocals taken from more than one source. Same with guitar, bass, drums etc.
(There is no point in using the guitar version from track 24 at the end of the rock section - as this appears on the official release).
I would keep the countdown intro, and the 'Deacon crashing about' outro - also Track 15's 'Belch' and Freddie's 'Fuck it' - if they could be featured inconspicuiously. In sum - if it features in the 'official release' - KEEP IT OUT!

I guess what I am really saying is that a diametrically opposed mix - would allow me as a fan to re-listen to a 'different' Bo Rhap - but still within the framework of familuarity.
As I said above, this has already been tried and tested on both the Beatles, and Freddie boxes, and is the basis of most Hollywood sequals. The real down side is that this would take a lot of talent - and a sh*tload of time!




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Posted: 09 Feb 08, 14:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for your answers and I have to agree with you all.

So I have deleted the download link, and will keep the mixes I do to myself and my friends until I think something really valuable comes up.

Also learned a few stuff from this experience.

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Posted: 09 Feb 08, 17:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

tonimau wrote:

Thanks for your answers and I have to agree with you all... Also learned a few stuff from this experience.


tonimau: I hope that you just don't go away thinking that you have been hit with negative criticism for negativities sake. To start with, I am pretty PC ham-fisted, so any mix you do - would be infinitely better than mine. So good for you for having the b*lls to do this.

But, as a 'consumer' - I have to ask myself: If Queen Productions DID release an anthology CD, and, as part of this set, an 'Official Bohemain Rhapsody remix' track was included - what would I expect from such a track?
As I said in my earlier reply, I would expect a 'hybrid type remix' as found on both the Beatles/ Freddie Mercury anthology sets.
Now, I know this may be too professional an expectation for a casual fan remix forum, but, there is no excuse for not aiming this high.

So if you are willing to learn from the experience, first: plan what you want to do with your mix, and second: take your time to execute this idea properly.

However, perhaps I should take a double-dose of my own medicine - and learn how to bloody remix in the first place!

Anyway, my best wishes, good luck, and keep on trying. Do not look upon this as failure, as you do not need my approval. Rather, look upon this as an exercise of 'competently well', but I COULD aim higher.
After all, even the best strive to be better!




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Posted: 09 Feb 08, 23:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agreed with John. Keep trying to improve and make something bigger and better. I hope you haven't just run off because of the negative comments. We all start somewhere and I can swear that my first efforts were pretty shoddy.

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Posted: 10 Feb 08, 07:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I haven´t given up at all.

But obviously I need time and some more creativity to give you something post-worthy.

Cya soon ;-)

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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 18:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i've been on QZ for a few years, and been playing with music for ten-yrs plus...on a pc..but i don't stick much out there, as i think i know my levels (sorry bad pun)

i started work on "dog with a fatbottomed bone" remix about 2 yrs ago....and never liked where it was going...so shelved....until i feel i can get close to somehting worthwhile / different i will leave it


about all i have manged on here is two christmas mixes of my fave tunes and film bites...

it's a steep learning curve - and comments aren't meant to hurt...better luck next time


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 19:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

"dog with a fatbottomed bone"


Dude, you sooo have to finish that :) !

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ern2150 wrote:

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

"dog with a fatbottomed bone"


Dude, you sooo have to finish that :) !


Seconded, thirded and fourthed! (Yes, I'm making up new words haha)

V.



I'm as mad as HELL, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 13:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

bigV wrote:

ern2150 wrote:

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

"dog with a fatbottomed bone"


Dude, you sooo have to finish that :) !


Seconded, thirded and fourthed! (Yes, I'm making up new words haha)

V.

i really hit a wall...sorry - like the idea was cool, and some of the mixing is ok. but i got nowhere for it to go


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