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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 13:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi everybody!
I've finally finished my first project of remastering of a Queen recording. Seattle 77 is a great concert but it always annoyed me for a lot of problems - missing songs, incorrect pitch (actually 3 different speeds in the whole recording), changed order of the songs, some speeches cut or in the wrong position, gaps between the songs, a lot of clicks. So except for missing songs I tried to solve the rest of the problems and my main aim was to correct the pitch and to make the recording as fluent as possible. Some places were tough but I tried to improve the concert to be more enjoyable than it used to be. I also divided some songs in a different way. So this is my first attempt to remaster a concert, so please be tolerant. I really did the best I could. I hope you'll enjoy it.

Here are the links of the original topics and there is the source of the tracks I used for my remaster. Topic starters:
ups (original uploader) http://queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=941776
Ginger (torrent) http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=943899
SCOM (recent reupload with working links) http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1077296


Queen in Arena, Seattle, Washington, USA
March 13, 1977


Lineage:
? > FLAC > WAV > Audacity (speed correction, editing) > CD Wave Editor (editing)
> Trader's Little Helper (SBEs correction) > ClickRepair (clicks and crackles removal) > FLAC (Frontend) level 8

Quality VG+/Ex-

CD1

01 Ogre Battle 5:08
02 White Queen 5:31
03 Somebody To Love 4:54
04 Killer Queen 2:02
05 The Millionaire Waltz 3:06
06 You're My Best Friend 2:00
07 Bring Back That Leroy Brown 1:09
08 Brighton Rock 12:23
09 '39 3:35
10 You Take My Breath Away 2:54

CD2

01 White Man 4:58
02 The Prophet's Song 4:44
03 Bohemian Rhapsody 5:08
04 Liar 8:46
05 In The Lap Of The Gods... revisited 3:13
06 Now I'm Here 4:35
07 Big Spender 1:25
08 Jailhouse Rock 5:32
09 Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting 2:34
10 Stupid Cupid - Be Bop A Lula - Jailhouse Rock (reprise) 1:11


Keep lossless files lossless, unless it's for your own use.

CD1:
http://rapidshare.com/files/90966835/Seattle77_CD1_part1.rar (tracks 01, 05, 09, 10)
http://rapidshare.com/files/90968528/Seattle77_CD1_part2.rar (tracks 02, 03, 04, 07)
http://rapidshare.com/files/90970718/Seattle77_CD1_part3.rar (tracks 06, 08)

CD2:
http://rapidshare.com/files/90978820/CD2_part1.rar (tracks 01, 02, 06)
http://rapidshare.com/files/90982111/CD2_part2.rar (tracks 04, 08)
http://rapidshare.com/files/90988587/CD2_part3.rar (tracks 03, 05, 07, 09, 10, infofile)


Enjoy!


vlatko


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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 13:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MERCI BEAUCOUP
I search a good speed from this concert for a long time
you make me happy

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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 14:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It looks very interesting, I'll try to download it as soon as rapidshare allows. Thanks

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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 17:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

many thanks for sharing your work
it sounds pretty good to me


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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 18:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This looks great. Thanks for your work making this a better recording.

Take care

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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 08:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thanks a lot.
this concert has always been a fav of mine.
listen to the beautiful version of 'white queen' here... the collaboration between guitar and piano is just awesome.

thanks a lot for remastering!


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 09:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ooh looks interesting! Can someone make a torrent of this?


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Happy conference to you,

Happy conference dear punters....

er....and we hope you have stew!
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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 11:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

this is a soundboard or an audience recording?

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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 11:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

victor fleitas wrote:

this is a soundboard or an audience recording?


Audience.

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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 12:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So, people, what is is your opinion: it this worth downloading or not, compared to the original recoding?

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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 23:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi, Vlatko!

How are you?

First of all, let me thank you for uploading this concert and trying to improve it. Thanks, of course, to the original uploaders, Ginger01, SCOM, I guess.

I didn't have time to download the original upload, so I can't make the comparison. I downloaded your re-mastered version, and I enjoyed the show, it's a good performance, I know there are still pitch and speed problems, but that in no way, I guess, prevents one from enjoying the concert.

Those of us who don't know much about Queen's live legacy will be surprised to notice that Freddie did tend to syncopate the final lines of Bohemian Rhapsody throughout the 70's, with some exceptions. As far as it's a tendency one might conclude, and I think it'd be fair to do that, that Freddie or the whole band consciously and deliberately opted for this version as it departs from the original and conveys a sense of audacity and resignation in face of that "You" he's singing to - while in most of versions, including the original, it sounds more like a violent desperate cry, here it sounds rather as a fearless brazen resignation or even as a ironic doubt as to whatever the "YOU" might do. Here Freddie downgrades his presence, but sounds more than up to the threat "You" represents, whereas in the original and - in the 80's - he delivers a blistering high-pitched despeate cry which, paradoxically, and it's kind of funny the way music works, makes him sound really affraid by a very concrete threat he's wishing away really hard.

In order to syncopate the verses, he follows two basic steps:

1) cuts out the propositions to coherently emphasize the first and the last beat;
2) he couples the words on the strong beats, as if they were an unity, and then goes down in the dynamic range and let the pitch drop a bit.

So here's the result, more or less (there are exceptions in some performances, but it's usually like this):

"SOOoo (soo+ you are glued, there's a fusion)think-you can stone me/ spit my EYEES/ SOoo think-you can love me/lEAve me to DIEEEEE". The "love me-leave" without the preposition does sound really nice. And then he ends the syncopation correctly (the numbers are an approximate representation of the beats since there's no way to put it into scores here):

"Oooooh BaaabeEE, [1cAA2ndothis.3tome.4BAAABEEE], just got get out...". It's still a 4/4, though people will probably disagree with me, but it's a very syncopated 4/4 and it does feel like it's another meter, but I don't think so.

What's special about this concert, however, is the change is the modulation. Syncopating the verses is already a dangerous step - it's harder to articulate the words clearly and at the right note if you follow this path, especially for non-English speakers lol - but adding a little modulation to it without going out of tune is quite remarkable. You can check for yourselves here:

"can stone me [LEAVE TO DIEEE]". He does a quite difficult modulation, and doing that without going out of tune demands a very good command over one's voice, especially if you're syncopating the whole thing.

Personally, I found it quite thrilling. It adds another dimension to the verse and it sounds damn beautiful though strange at the same time. The strangeness, however, turns out to be a very logical, musically speaking, choice of interpretation.

Well, thank you ALL. By ALL I mean ALL. People who discussed the recording before me, people who took their time to share it with us and, of course, Vlatko, who did the remastering, the quality of the which I'm unable to judge because I haven't listened to the original yet. Judging for what it is, however, it's a perfectly enjoyable recording, despite the pitch distortions here and there, the never-ending problems with speed (it'd be an ordeal to get these things "right" because, in fact, we'd have to analyse pitch color and quality too in o


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Posted: 14 Feb 08, 08:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Yara, I'm fine :)
Thanks a lot for your comment and support. Your analysis is really comprehensive and despite the fact I'm a musician, I don't understand all what you say :) Now back to the recording. I think it's necessery to know the original recording so that you could appreciate the remaster. I work in amateur conditions so it's not possible to correct all the errors of the original tracks. I tried to adjust the pitch so that I could play the piano or guitar along with. And I think it's possible now - and I couldn't do it before. It would be very difficult to correct the tracks where the pitch changes throughout the song - and if something incorrect remained, it's not audible for an average fan. So I didn't think about doing it at all. And the voice distortion at some places lowers the quality but it's fault of the original tape, I guess (recorded too loud? bad transfer?). In my opinion - no offence - the most of the fans are not even able to distinguish that there was something wrong with the pitch in the original recording. :)

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Posted: 14 Feb 08, 21:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

vlatko wrote:

Hi Yara, I'm fine :)
Thanks a lot for your comment and support. Your analysis is really comprehensive and despite the fact I'm a musician, I don't understand all what you say :) Now back to the recording. I think it's necessery to know the original recording so that you could appreciate the remaster. I work in amateur conditions so it's not possible to correct all the errors of the original tracks. I tried to adjust the pitch so that I could play the piano or guitar along with. And I think it's possible now - and I couldn't do it before. It would be very difficult to correct the tracks where the pitch changes throughout the song - and if something incorrect remained, it's not audible for an average fan. So I didn't think about doing it at all. And the voice distortion at some places lowers the quality but it's fault of the original tape, I guess (recorded too loud? bad transfer?). In my opinion - no offence - the most of the fans are not even able to distinguish that there was something wrong with the pitch in the original recording. :)


Hi, Vlatko! It's good to know that you're doing fine. I had already thanked you for uploading the concert again, but now I wanna thank you for something else: for pointing out my nonsense! Seriously. I need that. It's a joy to me when an experienced musician reads what I write and says: "Hey, this doesn't make sense". These are the moments I learn the most: I get so insulated here at school that sometimes it's good to go to a computer and read comments from musicians out there. You helped me because now I know I have to do both things: study those matters harder and learn to express myself clearer.

It's sad that, even during our pauses, it's not usual for me to get a hold of a computer for some minutes: the machines are usually all busy. :*(

That being said, and I really, really thank you, it must seem stupid to you, but it does help me, I'll try do download the original version when time allows, maybe I could start it now and finish it by the early morning without anyone noticing me. Anyway, when I get back home for the weekend, I'll download it and then make more helpful comments on your remastering.

Anyway, judging only from what I heard, the concert is easily enjoyable and fun. You probably did a good work. As to pitch correction and stuff, I wouldn't have noticed failures in the original either, so I congratulate you for having done so. I'd notice only if the speed were clearly distorted, but since there's no other version from this one, I think it'd have passed over my head. Congratulations for the good ear! ;-))))

Thank you, Vlatko, and I'm really happy to have received your reply and to have downloaded this most enjoyable concert.

Take care.

Best regards and wish you the best,

Yara.


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Posted: 15 Feb 08, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks Vlatko for this upload! I only had this concert as two seperate cd's (LiveUSA & In the lap of the queen), great to have this now with the right track order :-)

And thank you again Yara for your fantastic review, it's a joy to read it!!

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Posted: 24 Feb 08, 08:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks a lot for this one!

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Posted: 25 Feb 08, 02:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you for sharing.


Look out, take care, there's a lot of music out there...
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Posted: 25 Feb 08, 03:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for all Vlatko !!!!

regards,

Olivier,
France.


wanna trade ?
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Posted: 25 Feb 08, 19:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Please, can you make a torrent of this show?, thanks in advance, great work indeed.

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Posted: 26 Feb 08, 06:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks a lot for all words of support. For those who prefer torrents:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1085026
Let's hope it works.

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Posted: 27 Feb 08, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Server #168.rapidshare.com unavailable due to hardware-problems. We are working on it."

Damn!!!


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