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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 16:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Which would you consider to be not a proper bona-fida Queen album and so therefore wouldnt necessarily rush out and buy it.Would it be for example ROTC or like mine MIH coz its a posthumus album and had Freddie not been dying they wouldnt have made it.


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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 21:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Flash Gordon

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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 22:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Flash Gordon
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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 22:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger Meadows Tailor wrote:

Which would you consider to be not a proper bona-fida Queen album and so therefore wouldnt necessarily rush out and buy it.Would it be for example ROTC or like mine MIH coz its a posthumus album and had Freddie not been dying they wouldnt have made it.


MIH to me is more of a queen album than anythign Bri and Rog will do..

Yes, its a posthumus album, but that was the intention with out choice, so part of it was formed as a unit, some material ended upo being polished ect ect...





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Posted: 11 Feb 08, 23:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd also argue that Made In Heaven counts as a "proper" album because it was Freddie Mercury's request that he could spend as much time as he could before he passed recording so that there could BE one final Queen album. It was a conscious choice decided on by the band to do it as such, almost like a concept album with the theme being Queen's farewell.

To me, MIH and No-One But You were about the end of the "Queen" era, transitioning us into the era of "Queen+"

... and oddly, I'm actually listening to the Flash Gordon right now as I'm writing this and didn't make the connection.


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 01:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, I got the Flash Gordon sound track with the movie and put it on itunes. Most of the time when one of the songs come on I skip it. I usually listen to Hero and that ooo ewoooo ewoooo one where Aura resurects Flash. That one is allright.


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 02:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

TerrorOfKnowing wrote:

I'd also argue that Made In Heaven counts as a "proper" album because it was Freddie Mercury's request that he could spend as much time as he could before he passed recording so that there could BE one final Queen album. It was a conscious choice decided on by the band to do it as such, almost like a concept album with the theme being Queen's farewell.

To me, MIH and No-One But You were about the end of the "Queen" era, transitioning us into the era of "Queen+"

... and oddly, I'm actually listening to the Flash Gordon right now as I'm writing this and didn't make the connection.


I see what you're getting at but i still feel that had Freddie had not been dying they may have made the next album something like,say, Innuendo.

In its way i'd say MIH is like a sad album IMHO.Take for example Mother Love.Can you listen to that without feeling a tad down.Knowing as you do that was the last song Freddie ever sung on.The ironically titled Let Me Live.Ditto My Life Has Been Saved.Its A Beautiful Day.These songs may have remained in the vaults.I Was Born To Love You was just a re-recording.A good version mind you.Also ditto Heaven For Everyone.

Just my opinion.


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 02:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the problem with Flash Gordon is the same problem that Hot Space has ... it was made in the 80s.

Honestly though, Queen really went headfirst into synthesizers after so many years of "no synths" in their albums and it took a couple years for them to get the hang of using them properly.

I think the bones of most of the Flash Gordon tracks probably aren't really as bad as we make them out to be, it's just shoddy production in a lot of it. If someone were to eventually remix the album and bring it up to modern standards it might be salvageable.

As it is though ... yeah. I think the fan standpoint on the album as it is is pretty much universal.


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 09:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I usually listen to Hero and that ooo ewoooo ewoooo one where Aura resurects Flash. That one is allright.


Ha Ha Ha, ewoooo ewoooo, I love that bit too.


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 11:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wouldn't consider MIH a proper Queen album because Freddie had no say in the post production.

It's somewhere in-between whatever Queen + PR is going to come up with a a proper Queen album.

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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ROTC (feel dirty just typing it) don't own it, haven't heard it, never will.

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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 15:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Roger Meadows Tailor wrote:

Which would you consider to be not a proper bona-fida Queen album and so therefore wouldnt necessarily rush out and buy it.Would it be for example ROTC or like mine MIH coz its a posthumus album and had Freddie not been dying they wouldnt have made it.

Yes, its a posthumus album, but that was the intention with out choice, so part of it was formed as a unit, some material ended upo being polished ect ect...

i'm sorry but i disagree - MIH is primarily Bri's album...most of it has HIS stamp all over it..Yes the intention was there to make a queen album, and yes it had Freddie's blessing, but it DIDN'T have Freddie's input into the final sounds/mix/production...
also, from what i recall John more or less "tagged along" - his heart wasn't in it, and Rog had lots of "other stuff" going on in his life at that time...so it was REALLY a Brian May controlled output - ffs - there's guitars all over the Freddie solo stuff - some of it - IWBTLY and MIH sound awful for the changes made




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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 15:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi,

Sorry i am being a little slow here, but what's ROTC?



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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 15:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi again,

I know it's return of the champions, i realized as i posted message!!!



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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 15:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

...ASSDUDE.... wrote:

Roger Meadows Tailor wrote:

Which would you consider to be not a proper bona-fida Queen album and so therefore wouldnt necessarily rush out and buy it.Would it be for example ROTC or like mine MIH coz its a posthumus album and had Freddie not been dying they wouldnt have made it.

Yes, its a posthumus album, but that was the intention with out choice, so part of it was formed as a unit, some material ended upo being polished ect ect...

i'm sorry but i disagree - MIH is primarily Bri's album...most of it has HIS stamp all over it..Yes the intention was there to make a queen album, and yes it had Freddie's blessing, but it DIDN'T have Freddie's input into the final sounds/mix/production...
also, from what i recall John more or less "tagged along" - his heart wasn't in it, and Rog had lots of "other stuff" going on in his life at that time...so it was REALLY a Brian May controlled output - ffs - there's guitars all over the Freddie solo stuff - some of it - IWBTLY and MIH sound awful for the changes made



As I recall, it was Roger and John who started work on MIH as Brian just didn't want to jump into it right away. It was only after some prodding that Brian finally got in on the act.

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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 16:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Michael Allred wrote:

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

...ASSDUDE.... wrote:

Roger Meadows Tailor wrote:

Which would you consider to be not a proper bona-fida Queen album and so therefore wouldnt necessarily rush out and buy it.Would it be for example ROTC or like mine MIH coz its a posthumus album and had Freddie not been dying they wouldnt have made it.

Yes, its a posthumus album, but that was the intention with out choice, so part of it was formed as a unit, some material ended upo being polished ect ect...

i'm sorry but i disagree - MIH is primarily Bri's album...most of it has HIS stamp all over it..Yes the intention was there to make a queen album, and yes it had Freddie's blessing, but it DIDN'T have Freddie's input into the final sounds/mix/production...
also, from what i recall John more or less "tagged along" - his heart wasn't in it, and Rog had lots of "other stuff" going on in his life at that time...so it was REALLY a Brian May controlled output - ffs - there's guitars all over the Freddie solo stuff - some of it - IWBTLY and MIH sound awful for the changes made



As I recall, it was Roger and John who started work on MIH as Brian just didn't want to jump into it right away. It was only after some prodding that Brian finally got in on the act.


Yes michael you are right about that it was john and roger who first moote about getting the project underway and only when brian heard what they had done was when he got involved.

Apparaently they were going nowhere fast until brian came long and more or less took over production, and in my opinion MIH and IWBTLY sound much better with bri's guitars on it making it sound like queen which was obviously the intention.


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Posted: 12 Feb 08, 16:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Michael Allred wrote:


As I recall, it was Roger and John who started work on MIH as Brian just didn't want to jump into it right away. It was only after some prodding that Brian finally got in on the act.


Not exactly correct, but close. Brian the following in an interview with Q Magazine in 1998.

"Right up until the end Freddie asked me for lyrics and music that he could work on, and he was adamant that this material should be released. After he died, my way of dealing with it was to go out on tour. But Roger and John became very impatient with me and started working on the tapes. I didn't want this stuff to go out without my involvement, so I took the tapes off them, felt that they'd done it wrong and spent months putting it all back together. Doing Made In Heaven was like assembling a jigsaw puzzle, and I'm sorry if this guy feels uneasy about it, but I wouldn't have put my seal of approval on it if I hadn't thought it was up to standard."

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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 03:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Flash Gordon.


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 03:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd say The Miracle and Innuendo. They aren't proper albums, Freddie put zero effort in... he was lazy around the studio, only showing up when he felt like it.
He was lazy; bone-idle. Thumbs down Freddie, you bludger.


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