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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 08:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The production qualities of the 80's albums with mack are crap compared to the albums from the 70's. The drums seem weak, the guitar just sounds empty, the songs themselves seem empty and just suffer from that 80's poor production.
Queens songs themselves can not be compared to the 70's songs, perhaps mack had an input in this. Any thoughts?


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Of course he did (have an input on the 'empty' sound), of course he was (a bad producer, or at least one that didn't best serve Queen to my and many other's tastes), and of course Queen themselves decided to use Mack, continued to use him, and were, at the time, happy with his work.


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 09:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mack is awesome, fuck anybody who talks shit about him.


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 10:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I thought the production on the Works was good. It was crisp, fresh sounding and had some very original drum sounds. I personally thought Mack was one that helped Queen get out of the rut that albums like 'News of the World' has got them into.

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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 10:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I never cared for “Mack’s” producing skills. Most things he produced tended to sound sterile & flat. Part of the problem Queen had with their albums from the 80’s
He tended to make them sound just like most of the acts from that era. His best skills were producing light weight disco/dance tunes and even that skill was ordinary at best.



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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 11:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Mack is a great producer. He has a totally different approach to recording than for example a Roy Thomas Baker or a David Richards.

In my mind he's not really innovative like Baker was, but he certainly knows his stuff very well. Listen to The Game for example. In my opinion thats the best sounding album soundwise. It's not as daring as A Day at the Races. But it's really the best in overall sound.

the drums sound crystal clear and the vocals really cut through everything.
Listen to the drums of Rock It, they really have this shiny, sparkling quality to it


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Queen's declination in the 80's was mostly because they became mediocre songwriters and performers, not because of the production.


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 12:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

I think Queen's declination in the 80's was mostly because they became mediocre songwriters and performers, not because of the production.


mediocre songwriters hahah joke of the century! i want to see YOU write one of those "mediocre" songs


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 12:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In my mind it's both a question about songwriting and sound. And, to me, Hot Space, The Works and A Kind of Magic are the worst-sounding albums in Queen's catalogue. I much prefer David Richards (although he contributed to some of the tracks on aKoM) production on The Miracle and Innuendo, which has a much warmer sound, despite the meticulous (over-)production.

The drum sound especially is rather horrible on the Mack produced albums.

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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 12:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He was the best for the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Queen had to change their sound for the 80's or disappear into oblivion, Mack was the man for the job. He did exactly what was required of him.

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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 12:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mooghead wrote:

He was the best for the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Queen had to change their sound for the 80's or disappear into oblivion, Mack was the man for the job. He did exactly what was required of him.


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 12:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 12:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I find it hilarious that the guy above said they was mediocre songwriters in the 80's but to slight their PERFORMING abilities through the 80's when they put on some of their greatest shows ever just dismisses this guy for real.


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lyricalassasin77 wrote:

I find it hilarious that the guy above said they was mediocre songwriters in the 80's but to slight their PERFORMING abilities through the 80's when they put on some of their greatest shows ever just dismisses this guy for real.


are you talking about me? since i like queens 80s material plus 90s to be their best


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 13:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music


Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 13:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think they became mediocre composers or performers.

I think they just wanted to try something else. And stacking up 20+ guitars and vocals weren't nessecary for that. And it's all in the eye of the beholder.

A boyband fan might love Break Free, but thinks March of the Black Queen is a terrible song, because it doesn't have a catchy tune or something to dance to.

It's just what you're listening for.



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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 13:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I thought the production on the Works was good. It was crisp, fresh sounding and had some very original drum sounds. I personally thought Mack was one that helped Queen get out of the rut that albums like 'News of the World' has got them into.


sorry, but i disagree. NOTW and Jazz actually sounded like there had been some production applied to them.
Works sounds empty - almost like the band recorded it themselves...it has that "empty theatre, rehearsal sound" to it

i really hate it - the sound, not the songs


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 13:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

write your letters in the sand wrote:

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Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music


Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?

and body language


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<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

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Queen and specially Freddie cant write bad music


Um, have you listened to "Delilah"?

and body language


yes and they both are great songs, sure they are less serious than the other songs but still great songs.


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Posted: 13 Feb 08, 13:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

you really are a clueless queen-stepford sychophantic tw*t


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