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Posted: 07 Mar 08, 04:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

After reading Gym Bitch's latest contributions in the announce forum, I have to write to you moderators of this site! Please excuse my english, I hope you understand what I'm trying to say...
Queenzone has become the most popular site for Queenfans & Collectors on the net. I understand and appriciate Richard's liberal thinking about sharing concerts in any file format, but since technology progressed and lossless files are available, the trading scene progressed too and lossless is now today's standard. 90% of all trading sites only accept lossless files.
Since QZ become so big, it means there's a need for responsibility of what happened on this site.
I'm also active at other trading forums and Queenfans have the worst reputation of all!
There are great people here in this forum, people who spend their spare time searching for new recordings, making fantastic compilations or remasters. These people ARE QZ!
And you have people who doesn't care about any quality preservation, annoying everybody with their bad manners & language (F*ck flac'ers..)and spreading mp3's recordings - not because they are fans! See the latest example at the announce section..this is only to provoke the more serious fans. Have one of these "provokers" ever done something special, e.g. a remaster or unearthed a new recording? NO!
But these people ruin the reputation of Queenfans, and most important, the reputation of QZ!
There are ways how this problem could be solved.
I'm not for banning mp3's (but this would be the best..) , but 2 seperate announce sections could be an improvement.
One for the serious collectors, one for casual fans who have not these quality standards.

I don't want to critizize Richard or YV, you do a great job, but more popularity means more responsibility! Don't let these people ruin the hard work of others!

Best Wishes,

Olli




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Posted: 07 Mar 08, 04:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"These people ARE QZ!"

Aha! So it's you who makes standards of being QZer, yeah? Where I have to send my summary to? After 6 years of being here I need to know if I'm real QZer or not.

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Posted: 07 Mar 08, 04:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Judge by yourself....did I called any names? No!
But I appreciate the work of others!
I'm not against people who like mp3's , damn, I even make mp3's for my Ipod, but that's not the point....
It's sad that some people just upload mp3 shows only to piss off others! Remember the cologne incident? Behaviour like this is childish & non-constructive. And also bad for QZ!

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Posted: 07 Mar 08, 04:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Judge by yourself....did I called any names? No!"

That's bad. If you say "these people are not QZers" you gotta name them. Otherwise it's just verbiage.

"But I appreciate the work of others!"

It won't be on BBC tonight as special news, but a lof of mp3-fans made other works in Queenology and you have to appreciate their works too, IMHO.

"Remember the cologne incident?"

Ha! I was fucked in that thread by any single QZ newbie who can't trade mp3-sourced CD-Rs and they need to download only FLAC because of that, they came to that thread and fucked me - QZer for 6 years who has tried to be useful for Queen fans - for my support to mp3. So yeah, I remember that incident. Someone sent me death threat even in my Birthday over e-mail.

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Posted: 07 Mar 08, 07:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I answer to this although I am getting tired of the issue and I have said what I have to say on previous occasions. But you posted in the correct forum ;)

I know that Queen fans have the worst reputation and Queenzone is hellzone, I have heard it 1000 times.

The difference between QZ and a trader forum is that QZ is not trader forum, it's for all fans. If you open a trader forum and I register I will respect all your rules, only post what is allowed in whichever format it is allowed. You can email Richard and ask him to make the Sharing forum non-mp3 but as yet his answer was always the same: he does not forbid mp3.

Maybe you missed it but the incentive for Gym Bitch to start sharing mp3s again was this thread:

http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1085977

He said so himself in one of his recent threads. Maybe you should take this into consideration when you speak about "provocation" I think the Flac supporters and the mp3 supporters are both guilty of provocation.

What you say about who "is QZ" and who is not, I want to tell you something about Gym Bitch because you mentioned his announce thread: He has been on QZ since the 1990s. One of his huge contributions to QZ was the bootleg tree which ran over months and offered many fans the first ever chance to get Queen boots even though they had only a very slow internet connection. He has been in the hub for many years, helped people with the software and other poblems and has always been extremely patient with new users. I have had a couple of dicussions with him because he can be pretty outspoken and rude but I have to respect the consistency of his views and his honesty.

The two announce forums were offered on previous occasions but the flac supporters insisted that it would not be enough but mp3 sharing must stop. I think it's useless to add another forum when the fights are not stopped.

I am a member of a South American Queen forum and if you speak Spanish and join this forum you will see that all the concerts there are shared in mp3 because people just do not have these good internet connections. Even if we forbade mp3, the concerts would still be shared as mp3 all over the world because the internet is not Europe and USA, it's international and files are shared elsewhere.



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Posted: 07 Mar 08, 08:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for your reply, Valentine!
I know this has been discussed almost too much the last few month, but it's really sad what's going on at the moment. I won't blame only the mp3 supporters for this "fight", there are rude comments from flac supporters as well. Fact is: The thread you mentioned started very calm, someone uploaded an mp3 show and especially ruth.olivier wrote some very polite and relaxed words about the advantage of lossless files. No harsh words at all. Then some well known tigger started again his bitchin' and bang! - it all started again...
Sorry, maybe i'm a bit naive, but this is stupid & childish behaviour. As I said before, I'm not against MP3's as such, but I can't understand why some people in here upload shows only to piss off collectors. Technology moves forward, nobody can't change that...

And Serry..please don't take this so personally!
I'm not as long in here as you, that's right.
Maybe in the past people did great things with mp3's, but it's 2008 and time has changed.
I'm not making the rules here, but I never found that behaviour at any other trading (or Fan) site.
(Well, I never joined a LedZep site ;-)

QZ IS a great place, it only could be greater if there where a bit more politness and peace.
It's only the music that counts...