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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 14:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Don´t know if this (or something similar) has been discussed before, but I was just driving home and listening to "News Of The World" and the same old question came to me when "Spread Your Wings" started:

Why do I always have to turn the volume up with this song?

Why does it sound lower than the rest of the album? more ore less happens the same with "We Are The Champions", but not at the same level.

Was this song mixed in a different way than the rest of the songs on this album?

Or is it only me ? :P

And a similar thought with the Innuendo album:

why does John´s bass sound so weak ?

If the album was remastered and the bass gained power, it would deserve a 12 over 10 points (to me, 10 points already reached).

On Innuendo (the song) the bass goes up and down, and in other songs it can hardly be heard.

Once again, maybe it´s only me ... but this painful thought has tormented my life all over the years ;)

many thanks in advance for your wise explanations


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 14:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I also don't like it that Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy is much lower in volume than the rest.


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 15:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote:

I also don't like it that Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy is much lower in volume than the rest.

Yes ! I didn´t remember this example when writing the post, but it´s the same case as "Spread Your Wings"


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 15:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

why does John´s bass sound so weak ?

Because it wasn't John's bass ?

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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 15:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote:

why does John´s bass sound so weak ?

Because it wasn't John's bass ?


hey man ... I need more info, much more info, on this. What do you mean?


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 15:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thats why he quit.

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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 15:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Vali wrote:

pittrek wrote:

why does John´s bass sound so weak ?

Because it wasn't John's bass ?


hey man ... I need more info, much more info, on this. What do you mean?

There are many "urban legends" about making of Innuendo.
One of them is that John is not playing on the album, and Dave Richards played instead of him (most of the bass should be also done by computers). It's of course an "urban legend", nobody will honestly tell you if it's the truth

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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 15:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Thats why he quit.


And who played bass in the Made In Heaven, post-Innuendo sessions, tracks?

Now comes the time when I found out I´ve been living in a lie since 1991.


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 15:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote:

Vali wrote:

pittrek wrote:

why does John´s bass sound so weak ?

Because it wasn't John's bass ?


hey man ... I need more info, much more info, on this. What do you mean?

There are many "urban legends" about making of Innuendo.
One of them is that John is not playing on the album, and Dave Richards played instead of him (most of the bass should be also done by computers). It's of course an "urban legend", nobody will honestly tell you if it's the truth


mmmmm ... never heard about this"urban legend" ... but could be true, as the bass style doesn´t fit much with John´s.

Yeah, it´s interesting to learn about this. It´s what has always concerned me about the Innuendo album, its bass, its poor bass ...

And what about Spread Your Wings and Good Old Fashioned? what´s the point with their volume?


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 16:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Apparently when John had written"Spread Your Wings"he was supposed to have been in a "reflective"mood.So the song was meant to a sort of quiet song.Yet when you look at the lyrics its about a guy wanting to "break free" from his life.Now where have we heard that before,eh?Seems like John had quite a few of these "reflective" moods.

Now on the Innuendo album,and this is just my HO,i think John had already made his mind up that he was quitting,knowing as he did that Freddie was dying and thinking Queen was gonna be no more at that point.So he might not have given the production side of that album much thought.

I'm not knocking John.Far from it.I happen to think he is the most wonderfully musically adept bassist i've ever had the pleasure of seeing live on stage.Thats why i wouldnt mind one last taste of the summer wine where he is concerned.Cmon John.Get back with the guys.:)


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 16:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well John wanted to carry Queen on post Freddie anyway, Roger said so in an interview at the time and the two of them made a concert appearance together, billed as Queen.


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 17:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John's bass ruins My Melancholy Blues.

It's just way too loud.


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 17:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Apparently when John had written"Spread Your Wings"he was supposed to have been in a "reflective"mood.So the song was meant to a sort of quiet song.Yet when you look at the lyrics its about a guy wanting to "break free" from his life.Now where have we heard that before,eh?Seems like John had quite a few of these "reflective" moods.

Now on the Innuendo album,and this is just my HO,i think John had already made his mind up that he was quitting,knowing as he did that Freddie was dying and thinking Queen was gonna be no more at that point.So he might not have given the production side of that album much thought.



Ok thanks, but my concern on Spread Your Wings goes into the technical side direction, not the lyrics or message, and the way it was recorded / mastered. I´d like to know why the whole album has one type of sound, and this song another different one.

And your oppinion about his work on Innuendo ... I respect what you say, but If John felt that way, he wouldn ´t have agreed to go on with MIH, play that show with Roger, etc etc




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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 17:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why is the bass on Innuendo weak? Could be because of Dave Richards. But, I like to think it has something to do with the start of their digital album recordings. It's not really clear enough, but I remember warming up both Miracle and Innuendo with a tape/tube plugin. The result was an interesting one. Suddenly the bass started to sound nicer and the overall songs became much warmer. It was a nice experiment and the only way I listened to those albums after that.

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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 19:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Baboolal wrote:

Why is the bass on Innuendo weak? Could be because of Dave Richards. But, I like to think it has something to do with the start of their digital album recordings. It's not really clear enough, but I remember warming up both Miracle and Innuendo with a tape/tube plugin. The result was an interesting one. Suddenly the bass started to sound nicer and the overall songs became much warmer. It was a nice experiment and the only way I listened to those albums after that.

Adam.


You make some sense here, as i recall a few years ago Brian was selling the equipement he has bought to record "The Miracle" and "Innuendo". And they sound very similar indeed (very digital!).


It doesn´t make sense for John to quit the band when they were supporting Freddie and when it was obvious that the band were in Montrewx to record "The Made in Heaven" sessions in 1991 when Freddie was still alive.

And besides, John´s style is all over the place shining like never before. The intro to "TSMGO", and the incredible basslines on "IGSM". And it doesn´t sound like synths to me because he does some little slides (and this is very characteristic of John´s style).

Now, "Spread You Wings" is in fact low as it is "We are the champions". But i thing that the album sounds very weak (soundwise), the diference is that these two songs start with piano only, making it more obvious. Maybe it was meant to be?
Of course i´m only guessing, but it´s obvious that by this time they were fed up with having to spend so much time in studio to make it perfect.

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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 20:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Vali wrote:

Roger Meadows Tailor wrote:

Apparently when John had written"Spread Your Wings"he was supposed to have been in a "reflective"mood.So the song was meant to a sort of quiet song.Yet when you look at the lyrics its about a guy wanting to "break free" from his life.Now where have we heard that before,eh?Seems like John had quite a few of these "reflective" moods.

Now on the Innuendo album,and this is just my HO,i think John had already made his mind up that he was quitting,knowing as he did that Freddie was dying and thinking Queen was gonna be no more at that point.So he might not have given the production side of that album much thought.



Ok thanks, but my concern on Spread Your Wings goes into the technical side direction, not the lyrics or message, and the way it was recorded / mastered. I´d like to know why the whole album has one type of sound, and this song another different one.

And your oppinion about his work on Innuendo ... I respect what you say, but If John felt that way, he wouldn ´t have agreed to go on with MIH, play that show with Roger, etc etc



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I take your point.On MIH IMHO i think he may have did that as a favour for Brian and Roger.We'll never really know the real answer to that one.

Another point.It was often said that if there was an argument within the band John very often sided with Freddie as though they were quite close friendship wise.That maybe another reason why John decided to pack it in when Freddie died.

I respect your point.


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Posted: 10 Mar 08, 20:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Also,sorry for boring you again,but John was also in the habit of maybe playing an octave higher than he needed to therefore making it harder for you to differentiate between what Brian,for example,was playing.This was a commonplace thing with Bass players in the 60's and 70's.It may well be that Roy Thomas Baker or Mack or whoever may well be kicking back the sound deliberately.Who knows.One things for sure.We'll never know.


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Posted: 11 Mar 08, 01:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, johns bass is very low in Innuendo, in my opinion its due to poor production. Queens bass had always been relativly easy to hear and when it wasnt it was due to poor production, ie. the entire Queen 2 album. They wouldnt have purposly made it inaudible. The hitman for instance, the bass is so thin and weak in that song, considering he is playing open E notes during the main riff, that song would've been twice as powerful if the bass was mixed properly, aswell as the show must go on. Its a shame becuase some great bass licks can barely be heard in the show must go on and im going slightly mad.


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Posted: 11 Mar 08, 01:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Vali wrote:


And who played bass in the Made In Heaven, post-Innuendo sessions, tracks?


Paul McCartney


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Posted: 11 Mar 08, 06:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe of all the albums I hope they would 're-master' it would be Innuendo. I think the amazing songs are let-down by the levels etc..The whole album is like someone accidentally punched the 'mute' button on the sound-desk - LOUDER please!