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Posted: 02 Apr 08, 20:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is that genuine?
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=1022767
I don't believe it is, but... is it?

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Posted: 02 Apr 08, 22:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I honestly don't know if that cd is 'real' or not, but the liner photo of Brian in the Frogger t-shirt is pretty funny.

it would be interesting to know if any of those photos from the LP sleeve are included with any alleged CDs published. Most of what I've heard and seen is that the cd version is an elaborate bootleg, something about the EMI catalog numbers.


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Posted: 03 Apr 08, 02:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to say that although i was certain this would be a pirate, the disc itself is really convincing.

Except - it claims to be "Made in UK" but the centre of the disc clearly says "EMI Uden" which I believe is in Holland. Furthermore I don't think EMI started having "EMI" on their discs for a good couple of years after '83 and when they did they were marked "EMI Swindon".

So I'd conclude that it's either

a) a pirate made by someone inside EMI's pressing plant.

b) real & recently made, which would beg the question - why?

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Posted: 03 Apr 08, 04:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The very first commercially available CD came out in 1985 so no way is this real.

It IS a good mock-up of an early CD design, even down to the blue box on the spine.

This is the first I've ever heard of a stand-alone Starfleet CD. Infact, I believe the sleeve notes for "Back To The Light" single state that it's the first time the Starfleet songs have been released on a CD.

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Posted: 03 Apr 08, 13:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Was it 85? I though it was 1982 and by 1985 there was a first CD that sold million copies (Brothers In Arms)... I myself have an original CD of The Works, so... it wasn't 1985...

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Posted: 03 Apr 08, 13:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am 100% sure this is a bootleg.

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Posted: 04 Apr 08, 01:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bootlegs contain unofficial material. Since this one contains official material, it's a pirate. And a very convincing one!



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Posted: 04 Apr 08, 03:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not 100% sure, but if you put the cdp number into google it certainly returns quite a few hits, some of which look completely legit.

It looks to me (and I could be wrong) like a later CD release (mid to late 80's) of the original vinyl album that came out in 1983. I would be "reasonably" happy it's genuine but obviously there's no guarantee that particular one is even if they did press some originals.


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Posted: 04 Apr 08, 13:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fenderek wrote:

Was it 85? I though it was 1982 and by 1985 there was a first CD that sold million copies (Brothers In Arms)... I myself have an original CD of The Works, so... it wasn't 1985...


The first CD ever was ABBA's The Visitors, which came off the production line on August 17, 1982.

Royal Philips Electronics (NYSE:PHG, AEX:PHI) manufactured the world’s first compact disc at a Philips factory in Langenhagen, just outside of Hanover, Germany. The invention of the CD ushered in a technological revolution in the music industry as CDs – with their superior sound quality and scratch free durability – marked the beginning of the shift from analogue to digital music technology. The CD became a catalyst for further innovation in digital entertainment, helping pave the way for the launch of DVD and the current introduction of Blu-ray optical media. Having played a key role in the innovation of digital music, at home and on the move, consumers continue to witness huge advances in entertainment and lifestyle technologies.

The Philips factory in Germany, where the world’s first CD was pressed, belonged to Polygram – the recording company, which Philips owned at the time. The first CD to be manufactured at the plant was “The Visitors” by ABBA. By the time CDs were introduced on the market in November 1982, a catalogue of around 150 titles – mainly classical music – had been produced. The first CDs and CD players – including Philips’ CD100 – were introduced in Japan in November, followed by a US and European market introduction in March of 1983.

Philips and Sony partnered to develop CD – collaboration based on
open innovation helped position CD as standard for the music industry
As early as 1979, Philips and Sony set up a joint task force of engineers to design the new digital audio disc. Many decisions were made in the year to follow – such as the disc diameter. The original target storage capacity for a CD was one hour of audio content, and a disc diameter of 115 mm was sufficient for this, however both parties extended the capacity to 74 minutes to accommodate a complete performance of Beethoven’s 9th Symphony. In June 1980, the new standard was proposed by Philips and Sony as the “Red Book” containing all the technical specification for all CD and CD-Rom standards.

Piet Kramer, who at the time was a member of the optical group at Philips that made a significant contribution to the CD technology, commented on Philips’ and Sony’s collaborative work: “When Philips teamed up with Sony to develop the CD, our first target was to win over the world for the CD. We did this by collaborating openly to agree on a new standard. For Philips, this open innovation was a new approach – and it paid off. In the late 70s and early 80s, we never imagined that one day the computing and entertainment industries would also opt for the digital CD for storing the growing volume of data for computer programs and movies.”

In 1985, Philips and Dire Straits team up to promote the Compact Disc
As music industry sales of CDs started to take off in 1983, more than 1000 different titles were on the market. In 1985, one of the most famous bands in the world, Dire Straits, adopted the CD. The infamous album “Brothers in Arms”, as one of the first fully digital recording (DDD) to be brought to market, went on to become the top selling CD at the time, and the third greatest selling CD of the decade. The joint collaboration with Philips entailed Philips and Dire Straits jointly promoting the sound quality of the CD to consumers, making “Brothers in Arms” the first album to sell over one million copies in this new format, marking the success of the CD as the emerging format of choice for music quality.

“The Compact Disc has proven its significance in bringing the highest quality of music to consumers who wish to enjoy scratch free music. The enormous success of the CD over the last twenty-fiv

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Posted: 04 May 08, 08:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have the original Star Fleet on tape, one of the only ones I've kept over the years do to the fact that it was never released on CD. One things for sure the video Brian made for this song will never surface on a Official DVD. Brian probably destroyed all the master tapes,lol I'm sure he has seen to that!


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Posted: 04 May 08, 10:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ACTUALLY- apparently they are putting together STAR FLEET DVD (show, not Brian's album)- and even though the exact content hasn't been decided yet- it's almost CERTAIN that Brian's video to STAR FLEET WILL BE there as a bonus feature...!!!

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Posted: 23 Jun 08, 00:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Headlong24 wrote:

I have the original Star Fleet on tape, one of the only ones I've kept over the years do to the fact that it was never released on CD.


Not quite true actually. The songs themselves are available on the Japanese Ressurection EP (CD), as well as the two UK "Back To The Light" CD-Singles if I recall correctly (I have the 2nd one I think, which has Blues Breaker on it)

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Posted: 23 Jun 08, 01:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pootle1 wrote:

It IS a good mock-up of an early CD design, even down to the blue box on the spine.


How about the catalogue number?

I don't have any earlier cds than the Queen catalogue (which were released in 1986 I believe), but they didn't feature more than 7 digits of the catalogue number anywhere outside the barcode...

This version has all the digits on it, except for the one marking it as a cd version which is curiously missing.

I wouldn't pay the price of an empty cd for this pirate/bootleg/whatever version.

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Posted: 11 Sep 08, 05:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As far as I'm informed it's a Russian Pirate/Counterfeit from around 2002.

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Posted: 11 Sep 08, 05:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

tfkrl wrote:

As far as I'm informed it's a Russian Pirate/Counterfeit from around 2002.

Hey tfkrl...
The Famous Killer Rhythm Label... :-)

Are you connected to them in any way, or did you just think of this while desperately looking for a username?? :-)


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Posted: 11 Sep 08, 06:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Jeroen!

I'm Andreas Voigts (no secret) and you might know me... Is it a comment if I say "no comment" to "The Famous Killers Rhythm Label"?

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Posted: 11 Sep 08, 08:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ah! I did not know you were Andreas!
And YES, then no comment will do nicely. ;-)


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