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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 09:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi everyone !

Hope everyone has secured its seats by now.
I had some questions, I am (normally, still waiting for Queenonline to clear it up) going to Antwerpen and Paris, and that drew a question in my mind, just to know : how can we record the audio of a show, or more exactly, where should we be placed to record it ? One good question for everyone wanting to try and record something.

Except the hardware to use, one question should be where to stand. Is the best place (except behind the sounding board!) just in front of the stage, or is it better to be on seated places ? Near the soundboard or near the speakers ? For video, the best is a seated place with a good zoom, at least that's what I think. But is it the same for audio ? How can we record a show with an external mike without being caught (the long-time tapers probably know one trick or two !) ? seated or standing ? Moreover, I don't know how the seats are set up in Antwerpen and Paris halls for example, but there is probably some of a general rule of what places to choose and what places to avoid.

Is anyone willing to give some advice ? Has anyone already decided to record a show, and which one are you going to record ?

Thanks a lot,

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Olivier,
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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 09:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Audio recordings are best when you are positioned right in FRONT of the mixing desk, in the middle.

If you sit you get either an unbalanced recording (if you have a seat on one of the long sides) or too much space (or even echo) if you sit on the far side.

For the equipement, you better look up some of the specialist tapers-forums elsewhere. But be carefull!! Tapers are very unfriendly to new people that don't know anything.

Getting caught?
(EDITED because Miklos is right :-)
See below

Go to tapers-forums for this!!


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 09:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The "sweet spot" is different for each venue of course. In general if you are far back you'll get much more crowd noise on the recording and the music sounds distant. The closer to the stage you are the better. You can't go wrong with FOB (=front of board) taping. Stay away from noisy people and from security.

How can we record a show with an external mike without being caught (the long-time tapers probably know one trick or two !) ?


Mics in hat or (baseball) cap.

Only make the attempt to tape if you are serious about it. So leave the mp3 player and the 5 Euro mic at home and enjoy the show, if that's all you have.

If you want to get a nice recording expect to spend at least ~ Euro 150 to get a decent rig.



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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 09:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jeroen wrote:



For the equipement, you better look up some of the specialist tapers-forums elsewhere. But be carefull!! Tapers are very unfriendly to new people that don't know anything.


Ahh, nOOb bashing ;-) Seriously, where did you get this?


Check out taperssection.com

Tapers ARE friendly and don't let the fact scare you off that most people on that site have > $ 4000 investet in taping gear. You can make great recordings with way cheaper rigs.



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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 10:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I´ll try to tape the shows in Berlin and Hannover but still looking for the right stuff to do so and the possebillity to try it on another concert before giong to the Queen-shows to make everthing as good as possible. Never again I´ll try to film the event. It´s giong very hard on the nerves feeling like a criminal always in danger to get catched. That´s not a good idea on a concert of your favorite band.

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 10:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

AT U853c > 3wire BB > Church Audio ST-9100 preamp v2.0 > R09 24bit 48kHz, line in

^This gear was responsible for some of the most stunning audience-recordings I've ever heard.
Just a suggestion :-)


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 10:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

enjoy the show - no taping my advice :)

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 11:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.zoomh4.net/

I don't know if this one is good.


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 11:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Miklos wrote:

chaps - i believe we should be more careful with going into details about bootlegging... just an idea.

Might be wise, indeed.
I edited some things out.

Go to the tapersforums for this, people!


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 12:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i would recommend to go as near to the boxes as possible. the louder the music the less audible are the people around you. just make sure you set the level of your recording equipment low. go next to the line arrays (the banana style boxes that are hanging from the ceiling), go to one side because most of the show is mixed in mono anyway. i would not recommend to put the mic on your hat because you will hear every move you make (with your head).
clip it to your jacket.
i made good experiences with a low-cut filter switched between mic and recorder. otherwise you might get a compression effect on your recording everytime when roger hits the bass-drum.
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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 13:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

can i take in a digital stills camera.

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 13:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Double-U wrote:

Never again I´ll try to film the event. It´s giong very hard on the nerves feeling like a criminal always in danger to get catched.


seperates the men from the boys ;-)


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 13:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Miklos wrote:

enjoy the show - no taping my advice :)


Very good advice. I hate tapers. :-)

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 13:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

galashiels wrote:

can i take in a digital stills camera.
Cameras usually are forbidden at all venues.

Of course, for those who want to break the rule, it's a matter of resourcefulness and ability.


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 13:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

gnomo wrote:

galashiels wrote:

can i take in a digital stills camera.
Cameras usually are forbidden at all venues.

Of course, for those who want to break the rule, it's a matter of resourcefulness and ability.


Simple digital photocams (3,2 megapixel, 3x zoom) are allowed at most venues.

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 13:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

gnomo wrote:

galashiels wrote:

can i take in a digital stills camera.
Cameras usually are forbidden at all venues.

Of course, for those who want to break the rule, it's a matter of resourcefulness and ability.

Tssyah, first they 'forbid' it and after the tour they request fans to send in their pictures!
(As they did with the '05 tour - some pics ended up in the ROTC artwork, the other ones -so they promised- would be used for something nice. But we never heard anything about it after that.)

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 13:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jjeroen wrote:

gnomo wrote:

galashiels wrote:

can i take in a digital stills camera.
Cameras usually are forbidden at all venues.

Of course, for those who want to break the rule, it's a matter of resourcefulness and ability.

Tssyah, first they 'forbid' it and after the tour they request fans to send in their pictures!
Well, if my understanding is correct, it's the venues, not the band, that forbid cameras - see what happens at WWRY...


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 15:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Also don't make the mistake that I did many times - setting the level of recording to "auto". Then it doesn't capture the sound of drums properly. The level of volume must be set manually (and properly, to avoid distortion).

The mixing desk is indeed the best place but I'd say you can't go wrong with being in the very front, near the speakers. Just don't be in the first row, the security at the QPR gigs is tight.

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 15:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

BTW what is the security in O2 Arena Praha and Wien Stadthalle ? :-)

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 15:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Daniel vZ, I have a Zoom H4 and I love it. It's a great tool. I liked the quality so much, I bought another one! I recently used it (legally) to record a theatre show I was videoing for them. I have samples if needed.

It recently got an update to add much needed features for recording, e.g. compression/limiter, low-cut filter, support for SDHC cards (I have two 8GB cards now!), battery level meter, etc.

The only possible blemish may be something people find about the recorder and batteries. Apparently, there's a noise when using batteries on recordings, rather than using it from the mains. Haven't really noticed anything yet.

Anyway, a good choice as it can record up to 24-bit 96kHz, which is what I always use.

However, the only problem will be the placement cause it's an all in one unit. I'd suggest getting a couple of tie-clip mics and plug them into the units and feed them through button holes in a jacket. That would mean the unit could stay on the inside of your jacket.

Adam.