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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 15:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know that the intro music before Tie Your Mother Down is from White Man but how about the orchestra music that comes after White Man? I know Queen played an extended version of that Orchestra Music in their Earl's Court Concert (after Procession) and at the Houston Concert both in 1977 when the stage was rising
Does anybody remember that?

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 15:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If anybody has a Day at the Races
Go to Tie your mother Down and listen to the intro music from White Man, but then listen carefully to the Orchestral music just before the Guiter starts to play. That's what I'm talking about.

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 16:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Intro music before TYMD IS the intro music before TYMD. Why do you suddenly start to write about White Man ? And what orchestra ?

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 16:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Here is what I'm talking about
Queen Intro 197.wav
Here it is in flac:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumNew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1096429


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 16:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Here is what I'm talking about
Here it is in flac:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumNew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1096429:



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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 16:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Don't worry I created this file?

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 17:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If this is considered Official, I'll remove it

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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 17:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

macman223 wrote:

If this is considered Official, I'll remove it


I cant listen to your upload, cos it just links back to the thread, but I know what youre talking about -
its not an orchestra, its Brian's guitar playing this orchestral sounding ascending scale - he talked about it a while back on his soap box. It uses a technique (the name of which Im sure someone else will be able to remember) which gives the impression of a peace of music perpetually getting higher and higher in pitch, although its actually just like a loop of ascending notes. Or something.

But yeah - not an orchestra - just the good old Red Special working its magic.

I think you're right - at one point this was the intro music as the lights were ascending on the crown shaped lighting rig at the start of the live shows.


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 17:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote:

Sorry I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Intro music before TYMD IS the intro music before TYMD. Why do you suddenly start to write about White Man ? And what orchestra ?


Im sure youve noticed this before, but the very opening of ADATR is the White Man riff played in a very slow, grand way, before that ascending guitar thing starts and leads into TYMD.
The original poster didnt express himself very well, and apart from "does anyone remember this?" Im not sure what he was asking exactly, but he was right that theres a White Man preview if you like right at the start of ADATR, before TYMD kicks in.


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 18:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cwazy little thing wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Sorry I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Intro music before TYMD IS the intro music before TYMD. Why do you suddenly start to write about White Man ? And what orchestra ?


Im sure youve noticed this before, but the very opening of ADATR is the White Man riff played in a very slow, grand way, before that ascending guitar thing starts and leads into TYMD.
The original poster didnt express himself very well, and apart from "does anyone remember this?" Im not sure what he was asking exactly, but he was right that theres a White Man preview if you like right at the start of ADATR, before TYMD kicks in.


Right! I have a "custom" clip of the extended version of the Music taken from the Houston concert, but does anybody have a "real" copy of the longer version guiter intro?

and Wow Brian's guiter is incredible!!!!!



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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 18:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cwazy little thing wrote:

macman223 wrote:

If this is considered Official, I'll remove it


I cant listen to your upload, cos it just links back to the thread, but I know what youre talking about -
its not an orchestra, its Brian's guitar playing this orchestral sounding ascending scale - he talked about it a while back on his soap box. It uses a technique (the name of which Im sure someone else will be able to remember) which gives the impression of a peace of music perpetually getting higher and higher in pitch, although its actually just like a loop of ascending notes. Or something.

But yeah - not an orchestra - just the good old Red Special working its magic.

I think you're right - at one point this was the intro music as the lights were ascending on the crown shaped lighting rig at the start of the live shows.


ight! I have a "custom" clip of the extended version of the Music taken from the Houston concert, but does anybody have a "real" copy of the longer version guiter intro?

and Wow Brian's guiter is incredible!!!!!



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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 19:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The music heard after the White Man riff is the ending loop from Teo Torriatte. The idea was to give the album a "full circle" feel. The whole minute-long instrumental intro is actually considered to be part of TYMD. The song was cut from the end of the instrumental on to become the single version.

Brian's guitar technique is called a "Shepard tone." The tone seems to continue ascending infinitely, but the higher frequencies are continually dropping off and being replaced by new, lower-frequency sounds. For a visual idea of what's going on, think about when you hold a screw in your hand and twist it. It looks like the coiled edges are moving down the shaft, when in truth, it's an optical illusion. Shepard tones are the equivalent auditory illusion.


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Posted: 08 Apr 08, 22:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cwazy little thing wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Sorry I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Intro music before TYMD IS the intro music before TYMD. Why do you suddenly start to write about White Man ? And what orchestra ?


Im sure youve noticed this before, but the very opening of ADATR is the White Man riff played in a very slow, grand way, before that ascending guitar thing starts and leads into TYMD.
The original poster didnt express himself very well, and apart from "does anyone remember this?" Im not sure what he was asking exactly, but he was right that theres a White Man preview if you like right at the start of ADATR, before TYMD kicks in.


Thats better said.... even more so, right after Roger hits the symbals two times..

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Posted: 09 Apr 08, 00:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

macman223 wrote:

If anybody has a Day at the Races


It's in QA by GB only.

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Posted: 09 Apr 08, 12:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just to add, it's apparently based on the optical illusion of the never ending staircase as per M C Esher

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Posted: 10 Apr 08, 13:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian did once call it his 'never ending staircase' but if you listen right to the very end of the album and turn up the volume the track doesn't completely fade out, it comes to a definite stop.

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Posted: 10 Apr 08, 16:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

The music heard after the White Man riff is the ending loop from Teo Torriatte. The idea was to give the album a "full circle" feel. The whole minute-long instrumental intro is actually considered to be part of TYMD. The song was cut from the end of the instrumental on to become the single version.

Brian's guitar technique is called a "Shepard tone." The tone seems to continue ascending infinitely, but the higher frequencies are continually dropping off and being replaced by new, lower-frequency sounds. For a visual idea of what's going on, think about when you hold a screw in your hand and twist it. It looks like the coiled edges are moving down the shaft, when in truth, it's an optical illusion. Shepard tones are the equivalent auditory illusion.

So it's after Teo Torriate on the actual album?

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Posted: 11 Apr 08, 12:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Haven't you bought the album?

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Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote:

Brian's guitar technique is called a "Shepard tone." The tone seems to continue ascending infinitely, but the higher frequencies are continually dropping off and being replaced by new, lower-frequency sounds. For a visual idea of what's going on, think about when you hold a screw in your hand and twist it. It looks like the coiled edges are moving down the shaft, when in truth, it's an optical illusion. Shepard tones are the equivalent auditory illusion.


Fantastic explanation.



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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 22:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

macman223 wrote:


So it's after Teo Torriate on the actual album?


...no. Teo Torriatte is the last song on the album. TYMD is the first. The overture before TYMD samples the same music that the end of Teo Torriatte uses as a way of making a Led Zeppelin-esque "full circle" feel to the album.


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