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Posted: 11 Apr 08, 19:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Received this quite recently also on a trade (and I only shared this before with one real Queen fan, btw, thanks for everything, man, you know who you are and what I’m talking about).

I’m sharing this as it came (as the one before) so again, sorry folks got no more details on this gig. Perhaps you should ask for them to some bitter Mr. Know-All, and I mean, before he steps out of QZ to other site and (as before) present himself there as a frustrated collector or something of the kind (what a shame!). Maybe, at the same time, you could also ask him to post one or two shows here once in a while (sharing avoids bitterness) or just before he leaves :)

Well, I rest my case now.

Most of all, brothers and sisters, enjoy this nice show.

Flash's Theme
The Hero
Tie Your Mother Down
Action This Day
Play The Game
Staying Power
Somebody To Love
Get Down Make Love
Guitar Solo
Under Pressure
Love Of My Life (Part1)
Love Of My Life (cont.)
Vocal improvisation
Save Me
Fat Bottomed Girls
Crazy Little Thing Called Love
Death On Two Legs (intro)
Bohemian Rhapsody
Now I'm Here
Dragon Attack
Now I'm Here reprise
Another One Bites The Dust
Sheer Heart Attack
We Will Rock You
We Are The Champions
God Save the Queen

http://rapidshare.com/files/106758736/a.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/106756923/b.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/106755820/c.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/106758658/d.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/106764628/e.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/106762073/f.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/106765038/g.rar.html



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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 00:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

RoyThomasBaker wrote:

Perhaps you should ask for them to some bitter Mr. Know-All, and I mean, before he steps out of QZ to other site and (as before) present himself there as a frustrated collector or something of the kind (what a shame!). Maybe, at the same time, you could also ask him to post one or two shows here once in a while (sharing avoids bitterness) or just before he leaves :)


It's a fact that most people here don't understand why the Queen community is in worse shape than any other major collecting community. Don't shoot the messenger. Not that I need to defend myself to you on a personal level, but I'm far from bitter. I have a life outside of this forum, and couldn't care less about music trading when I'm not on here. I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish by attacking the person who has shared more lossless RoIOs with confirmed lineage here than anyone else. Not that I'm looking for a pat on the back, but as far as I'm aware it's the truth. I've been genuinely happy to contribute.

Of course your recent shares are appreciated, but if a recording was shared on zappateers or genesis-movement without lineage like this one, it would be pulled within hours. With standards like that, those communities know only to put the best recordings out there. Tapers are happy to contribute to them, and those fine folks have many new recordings to enjoy each year. At Queenzone, however, not once has a taper come with a new Queen recording to offer. Most people here don't care or even understand how valuable it is to have a taper share their master recordings. We once had a taper of five Queen shows post here, and only one person besides myself posted asking him for further information.

All I'm suggesting is it would help if people did a bit of homework before sharing things. That's why I created the "best recordings" section on my website for people to reference. Virtually every recording I've ever heard of is on there (save the umpteen versions of Hammersmith 75, Mannheim 86, etc.). I'm always happy to add to it if anyone has any new information to offer, like Olivier Ruth and his recent shares of 81/82 silvers.

It's important that we're all on the same page if we want to be a community of people with a common goal that will ultimately benefit everyone - to get the best recordings circulated. Or if anyone else has a better goal, or the urge to create a bigger and more informative list of existing recordings, or better suggestions for anything on this matter that would benefit the community as a whole, then they are free to do so. Just please, don't treat me as if I'm the first person who has thought it's a good idea to treat old recordings and their tapers with respect.



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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 05:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi !

First of all, thanks for the share. I'm French so this can be interesting for me. Ad I am sure it will !!

Bob is right in a sense, a recording without lineage is not perfect. True. But I wonder how you could do to guess what the lineage is !! I'm a newbie in that field, but I understand that it is important. Well, let's say that it is a good share, but that the sharer here needs the help of the community to identify the correct lineage. Those who alrady have heard this recording or can compare with their files are needed, so we don't shoot you dear Roy. I think you would have shared the lineage if you had it. Now, maybe we should start these shares this way : "No lineage, sorry, and the person who gave me the recording didn't have any lineage to offer at all, so I'm asking your help to make this share perfect". Anyway, we have a date, I haven't checked (I can't do that because I don't have this recording yet anyway), but if it is correct then it's still a good thing !
Lineage is more than important, it allows to identify and compare the different sources that emerged along the years (when there are multiple sources), and why not create multi-sources recording that you, Pittrek, Bob, and anyone else, have gathered here and elsewhere these last years. I'm quite upset when we say that Dime is a better community than Queenzone... It's not normal.
So if you guys can identify the lineage before shareing, do your homework, if not, then just sk for help, I'm pretty sure the community, full of friendly guys, would help you instead of telling you bad words or anything of that kind.
Now Bob, you know I respect you, you're a really helpful Queenzoner, your website is a reference. the only lineage you have is :

04-20-82 Lyon - AUD > ? > CDR (x)

But how do we know the lineage of this one ?
I don't have much more details to give, and probably Roy neither. So, how can we have more details if the recording we receive from a trade for example has no lineage ? Trying to guess it means we could give wrong details.

The best thing is to give people recording AND lineage in a trade; this way the lineage is never lost. But unfortunately that's not always the case.
So if anybody could explain how we can get a lineage when it is not present in a trade, just write us two or three words about that !

So Bob, I am OK with you, you're right. The reaction you had (bitterness) is understandable, and Roy's one was not made to provoke a war on Queenzone between you two. Keep cool both of you ! Just that it seems that we need more information about lineage, and are searching for someone to teach us.

Back to the topic, thanks for the share, and hope someone could add more information about the lineage!

Regards,

Olivier,
France.



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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 07:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


many thanks for this show. I really appreciate the work everybody´s doing for this community


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 07:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ruth.olivier wrote:

Bob is right in a sense, a recording without lineage is not perfect. True. But I wonder how you could do to guess what the lineage is !! ... So if anybody could explain how we can get a lineage when it is not present in a trade, just write us two or three words about that !

It might be a naive concept to think that lineage should be attached with every recording from the moment it begins circulating. I'm thinking now of just how many silvers were shared on QZ that turned out to actually not be the correctly labeled silvers (Ie. “Done Under Pressure”, “Sweet Rhapsody”) Of all the things that are easily identifiable, silvers are the simplest to keep track of. Secondly, there's no need to guess at a lineage, if in the unfortunate (yet seemingly always case) of AUD>?>CDR(x), then that's what it is. Guessing and creating lineage only adds to confusion. If that’s how it got to you then so be it, and you can share from there. Maybe with time, new recordings and sources can be properly labeled and this can all be done away with.

ruth.olivier wrote:

I'm quite upset when we say that Dime is a better community than Queenzone.

Well, it is.

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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 08:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

RTB - thanks a lot for the share but next time be so nice and keep the personal attacks for yourself

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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 09:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can't talk of Dime, I have no access to it. But what I thought is that Queenzone being inferior to Dime (and I really think Dime is far superior in term of quality) means that we absolutely need a better community as far as trading is concerned, or to upgrade Queenzone, which can be considered as a good support to share (I think so). But I'm convinced that it won't happen that soon, so we have to care about the recordings ourselves. I myself had a great load of shows from a trade, mot of them without lineage, and I now have to compare my versions to other ones to find out what the good lineage could be. Bob's website www.queenlive.ca is a good reference for that. It still is a great load of work that could have been avoided.
But quality was probably not the first in mind of all the Queen collectors until those last years. Now it's 2008, so maybe we could start to upgrade the quality level ourselves ! Just a little more time to spend and it would be OK ! I think we shoul ask for lineage available or not before trading, just to be informed, and make people aware that it IS important, and that a .txt file is just that helpful for everyone and might not be deleted.

Regards,

Olivier,
France.



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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 09:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for the share.


Arse.

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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 09:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for the share, Roy, and thank you guys for the info and the effort to get it. I'm listening to the whole thing and I'll make my comments later on.


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 10:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What happens after they play "Play the Game"? Freddie seems disdainful and the audience is quite hostile. There are people speaking Italian (!) and calling him names, I guess: "bastardo!"


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 10:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, it's not "bastardo", thanks God. I think there was nothing wrong, though there are, really, people speaking in Italian, but I couldn't figure out what they say. Freddie seems a little bit...tired and pissed off.


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 10:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, it's indeed in Lyon. That's a start:

Afhet they play Tie Your Mother Down, Freddie says: "Bonsoir Lyon". But I'm still puzzled at what happens after Play The Game. lol

Up until part now, it's the same source, though probably the transfer wasn't made from the first gen tapes.


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 10:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote:

RTB - thanks a lot for the share but next time be so nice and keep the personal attacks for yourself


Well, I guess it's a two way street, right Pittrek?


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roy, I have listened to parts a, b & c and, though it's indeed the Lyon concert and it does seem to come from the same source, I didn't listen to the mobile phone noise yet which the guy from queenconcerts.com refers to, so maybe you got a different source for the concert!!!! Really cool...well, I'm enjoying it, the sound quality is not good, but there's a lot of interesting things...Freddie is consciously sparing his voice and is not taking some of the higher notes he tended to take during this tour, and he "speaks" several verses instead of singing them. He seems to be pretty tired on this one...mentally and physically. They had played in Paris the night before, so it's no wonder...and they had been playing many concerts in a row and the end of 81 was pretty exhaustive to the band.

Thanks, Roy, hope you people don't mind my "talking to myself", it's my way of sorting things out. Sorry!

If anyone cares to listen to what happens after Play The Game and tell us what Freddie says in the very end of the track - "Are you [....]?" and - Italian fans will know it! - what the guys are saying in Italian in the background, I'd be grateful.

I know it's not relevant. I'm just curious. lol


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ruth.olivier wrote:

But how do we know the lineage of this one ?


We can't, because the information wasn't passed along over the years.

RoyThomasBaker wrote:

pittrek wrote:

RTB - thanks a lot for the share but next time be so nice and keep the personal attacks for yourself


Well, I guess it's a two way street, right Pittrek?


Thanks for your helpful reply.



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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 12:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

ruth.olivier wrote:

But how do we know the lineage of this one ?


We can't, because the information wasn't passed along over the years.

RoyThomasBaker wrote:

pittrek wrote:

RTB - thanks a lot for the share but next time be so nice and keep the personal attacks for yourself


Well, I guess it's a two way street, right Pittrek?


Thanks for your helpful reply.


No problem, anytime!


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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The better is to track down the tapes and not the cdrs. That's that way we will have a better lineage.But it demands time and patience.

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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 12:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

little foetus wrote:

The better is to track down the tapes and not the cdrs. That's that way we will have a better lineage.But it demands time and patience.


Whoa, wait a minute... back up the truck. These 30-year-old recordings come from... tapes?

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Posted: 12 Apr 08, 13:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yara wrote:

Roy, I have listened to parts a, b & c and, though it's indeed the Lyon concert and it does seem to come from the same source, I didn't listen to the mobile phone noise yet which the guy from queenconcerts.com refers to, so maybe you got a different source for the concert!!!! Really cool...well, I'm enjoying it, the sound quality is not good, but there's a lot of interesting things...Freddie is consciously sparing his voice and is not taking some of the higher notes he tended to take during this tour, and he "speaks" several verses instead of singing them. He seems to be pretty tired on this one...mentally and physically. They had played in Paris the night before, so it's no wonder...and they had been playing many concerts in a row and the end of 81 was pretty exhaustive to the band.

Freddie's voice got stronger as the tour progressed(for example Drammen isn't very strong either). That's a rare thing, most of the time it was the other way round:-)


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Posted: 13 Apr 08, 11:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And some cd cover for this cd??? THX for share