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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 09:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It says on QOL, that The Classic Rock article in June 2008 mentions John's involvement with the new Album.

Other than John (being a Company Director of Queen Productions, etc) saying go ahead and make it and send me a cheque when the money starts rolling in, does anyone think he has had any physical invovlement in it at all?

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 09:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

andyhwood485 wrote:

It says on QOL, that The Classic Rock article in June 2008 mentions John's involvement with the new Album.

Other than John (being a Company Director of Queen Productions, etc) saying go ahead and make it and send me a cheque when the money starts rolling in, does anyone think he has had any physical invovlement in it at all?


No because in the same article Roger says

"John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. nobody knows where he is or what he's doing. he doesn't really like people. He sent a message when our musical 'We Will Rock You' launched in the West End saying that he approved of everything we were doing."

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would be over the moon if John did but theres more chance of me growing another arm!

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John who?

This is Queen + Paul Rodgers! I don't see any reason for a lineup change.

Unless, this John guy has been really, really practicing....

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John committed suicide 3 years ago

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't want to disappoint you,
but John died in 1980. He will NOT be involved in the new album

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0yNfQtYpQFo

That ought to get you up to speed.

I am sorry to crush your dreams, but it's been 28 years... time to move on, say goodbye to John.


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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Who wouldn't like to see John back? Really?

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really.

Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since.

You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you?

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Im not sure, when your a musician its in your blood. I know. Its hard to just forget about it and not have the drive to atleast play privately. Unless your of a certain mental disposition, which many people seem to say he is.

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 10:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Maybe this is old news, but there were some rumours years ago that mentioned some information which might be the reason for him not being interesting in Queen anymore.

- First, yes we all agree that John wasnt that into the rocknroll life style, showbiz et.ct, that might have led to his withdrawal regardless on how things would have turned.

To the point: I read somewhere that John had started on the "Made in Heaven" project in 1993-94, but it was all deleted after Brian and Roger joined the sessions. I dont if this is true or not? But if it's true, it sounds very arrogant of Roger and Brian to do such a thing. Maybe John got upset about it and thought enough is enough...

Maybe this has nothing to with him not being present, just a thought...

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 11:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would. I'd like to see him more than Paul Rodgers and that team of American guys with guitars.

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 11:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thomas Tønnesen wrote:


To the point: I read somewhere that John had started on the "Made in Heaven" project in 1993-94, but it was all deleted after Brian and Roger joined the sessions. I dont if this is true or not? But if it's true, it sounds very arrogant of Roger and Brian to do such a thing. Maybe John got upset about it and thought enough is enough...


Roger and John started working on it without Brian. Brian did not like what they had done without him, so basically took control.

Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH.

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 11:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

I would. I'd like to see him more than Paul Rodgers and that team of American guys with guitars.


Given John's prior solo work, I'd have to think that Paul Rodgers and a team of American guys with guitars would put on a better show. Two hours of bass solos and the opera section of Bohemian Rhapsody sounds kind of monotonous.

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

alot of people think John would be a terrible player today...but just cause he hasnt been performing, doesnt mean he hasnt been playing.

not wanting to be in the spot light and giving up on ones passion is two differant things.

I like to think that he has been playing and creating some amazing music all these years.



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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 14:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But where is this amazing music, Phill? On his hard drive? You and I will write songs and even record them, but someone who's 'been there, done that'? I wonder what motivates them.

Now some have their hits and keep churning out albums to fans. Guys like Randy Newman, Peter Frampton, Colin Hay still write and RELEASE this material on their own. A lot of this material is better (in my opinion) than some of their commercial successes (see Hay, mentioned above). No record labels or contracts, you simply buy it from their website or amazon. There is a marketplace for the 'old guys', but I don't see John ever pursuing that either.

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 15:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

well he may have written the songs, but I not even he could like his voice. He doesn't have anyone to sing on them.

It's a shame tho that he's turned into a bit of a hermit.

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 15:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Micrówave wrote:

I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really.

Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since.

You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you?


Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable.
What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour.

I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended?

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 15:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would not want John back in the band. Reading between the lines Brian and John are not that bothered, in fact they are very diplomatic. He always was a lazy bastard and responsible along with Freddie for some of the pop/dance/disco crap that Queen indulged in the 80's. He never came over as a real rocker more interested in soul and pop tunes. Freddie appeared to be his sidekick in these styles if you read credits etc, although Fred seemed to equally embrace Rock/Metal/Disco/Opera/80'S Synth pop etc. These mix of styles brought Queen more pop fans from the Game onwards but alienated many of their Heavy Rock fans who had followed them from the first album. There were moments of brilliance on the 80's albums, but for me every 80's album is patchy, with Hot Space having just 3 decent tracks, Under Pressure, Put out the Fire and Las Palbras. This is indicative of John and Freddie's turning away from pomp rock and embracing shit like soul/dance/disco but undoubtedly giving Queen a whole new audience.

Deacon and Freddie seemed to be the two who pushed the pop songs while Brian and Roger appered to always be the real rockers.

I can't see Deacon fitting into the more Blues edgge Rock that the Cosmos Rocks promises to be.


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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 16:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Negative Creep wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really.

Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since.

You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you?


Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable.
What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour.

I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended?


You folks who are - for whatever reason, legitimate or insane (i.e. Treasure Moments) - dissatisfied with Brian, Roger, Jim Beach, Paul Rodgers, Greatest Hits 3, We Will Rock You, whatever, and who have decided against all logic and evidence to the contrary that John Deacon was somehow the soul and barometer of quality in Queen ... surely you realize that you're deluding yourselves. That its pure projection on your parts. "Oh if only John were still around, everything would be great." That is, at best, wishful thinking. And ultimately its completely irrelevent because, wishes to the contrary, John Richard Deacon isn't interested anymore and hasn't been for a decade. He has moved on. He's not going to come back and save the day and he's not going to take the band name away from Brian and Roger. That dog just isn't going to hunt, and your bass playing Superman isn't going to swoop down and save the day. I wish Freddie weren't dead, but that isn't going to change either. So let's all get on with our lives. If you think Paul Rodgers is shit, if you think "Q+PR" and its "fans" are shit, if you think Brian and Roger are the Devil Incarnate, fine. Just tune out. Play your old records and CDs and videos and go on.

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Posted: 28 Apr 08, 17:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Opinions, opinions. We all know the saying. Russian Headlong here provided a truthful look at Queen's development, albeit rather opinionated.

The only reason Queen actually went on to record new music until the unfortunate end of a certain individual, was that they kept things interesting. Even if soul/disco/etc. material never got to be fan favorites, I remember Freddie saying in an interview sometime in the early 80's, something like "if it got boring, they might as well call it quits" - which is why Freddie and John did what they did. Sure, Brian and Roger provided the band some nice hits in the 80's, but I know I would've grown much more likely bored of Queen had they only been a rock band. I'm sorry to say, but Brian and Roger have hardly developed as songwriters during their careers - quite the reverse, from what I've heard.

Although I'm anxiously waiting for the new album, I can't deny the uncomfortable thought that John's uninvolvement will have a surprisingly huge effect on Queen(+PR)'s sound, in a bad way.