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Posted: 05 Jun 08, 13:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 05 Jun 08, 14:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Her carreer over? If only we were so lucky...

Hillary is intent on making the Clinton name into a similar powerbrokerage household-term as Kennedy and Rockefeller are. She might try for the White House again herself, or she'll get a protégé; and sooner or later, her daughter will get a shot at it, whether she wants to or not.


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Posted: 05 Jun 08, 15:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's an interesting theory.

Bill's calling people names now, Hillary's pissed and probably drinking.

Sounds like The Kennedy's.

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Posted: 05 Jun 08, 20:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 00:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Clintons have been in campaign mode since 1974 when Bill Clinton attemped to win a seat in congress representing Arkansas third district and lost. I don't see them getting out of campaign mode for several more years. As for being power brokers, they were unable to defeat a callow first term senator in the Democratic primaries for president. So their abilities as power brokers seem fairly mediocre at this point. Nelson Rockefeller was first elected governor of the state of New York in 1958 and served until resigning the office in 1973. That same year he was appointed to the office of vice president after the assumption of the presidency by Gerald Ford upon the resignation of Richard Nixon. Nelsons younger brother Winthrop was elected governor of Arkansas in 1966 and served 4 years in office. He had lived in the state for several years and done well in the oil and gas industry aswell as cattle ranching. Their maternal grandfather was senator Nelson Aldrich from Rhode Island. Nelson Rockefeller was not asked to be on the 1976 Republican ticket by Mr. Ford The vice presidential nomination was given to Robert Dole. So the Rockefeller families influence in American politics since that time is almost none except for Winthrops son being elected lieutant governor of Arkansas.

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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 01:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm a little disappointed. I wanted to see if they'd call Bill the "First Lady" or not.


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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 09:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

She WILL try for the White House again...that's why she's not releasing her delegates for Obama. She's waiting for him to fail (either in getting elected or in his goals if he is elected) and you better believe she'll run again.
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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 10:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What does that mean: "..that's why she's not releasing her delegates for Obama" Does it mean the delegates who voted for Clinton won't vote for Obama? He does have enough votes for the nomination, so he won't need the Clinton supporters.


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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 10:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Obama is going to be the one running this time for the Democrats. But if Hillary's followers are really stubborn, and do not vote, or decide in great numbers to vote for Hillary even though she is not on the ballot (as a write-in candidate perhaps), the Republicans will maybe win the election. Then Hillary could run again in 4 years.

If Obama wins the election, then he will probably run for re-election in 4 years and if he has done a good job, he will likely be re-elected. In this scenario, Hillary would have to wait for 8 years to have a chance at the White House again.

Or it might just be a power play so Hillary can try to influence Obama's platform. I don't know. I don't think she is that bad. I hope not.

Obama was speaking at an outdoor pavilion near me last night and I was tempted to go, but the weather was too hot here - around 90 degrees and muggy, so I watched him on the TV instead. It would have been an interesting thing - to see him "live". Ha. He is a very good speaker and I think people need someone to get behind that gives them hope for a better future. He might be that person. But I also like McCain. So, I think it is going to be a good election process from here on - interesting to watch.

The entertainment factor of Hillary will be missed. I loved those Saturday Night Live skits with Hillary and Bill.

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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 11:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Donna13 wrote:

If Obama wins the election, then he will probably run for re-election in 4 years and if he has done a good job, he will likely be re-elected. In this scenario, Hillary would have to wait for 8 years to have a chance at the White House again.


And this is precisely why I say it's OVER for Hillary. In 8 years, she will be a bitter old hag. In politics, 8 years is an eternity. You can't dig up old politicians. Thank Nixon for that. That was the last time a successful comeback happened. I don't think we're gonna let that happen again.

But then, we're assuming that Obama is going to win. Right.

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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 15:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hillary = Satan

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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 15:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Donna13 wrote:

If Obama wins the election, then he will probably run for re-election in 4 years and if he has done a good job, he will likely be re-elected. In this scenario, Hillary would have to wait for 8 years to have a chance at the White House again.


And this is precisely why I say it's OVER for Hillary. In 8 years, she will be a bitter old hag. In politics, 8 years is an eternity. You can't dig up old politicians. Thank Nixon for that. That was the last time a successful comeback happened. I don't think we're gonna let that happen again.

But then, we're assuming that Obama is going to win. Right.


Isn't Nixon a star on a sitcom?

Anyhow, Obama will win this November by a Reaganesque landslide.

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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 17:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Hillary = Satan

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Posted: 06 Jun 08, 18:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe there's a potential spot for Hillary on Obama's cabinet if Obama were to win in November.


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Posted: 07 Jun 08, 11:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Hillary = Satan

Obama = Osama
Clinton Bill = Paedophill
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Posted: 09 Jun 08, 10:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Maybe there's a potential spot for Hillary on Obama's cabinet if Obama were to win in November.


So she can undermine every decision he makes? I don't think Michelle would allow that anyways.

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Posted: 09 Jun 08, 11:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Maybe there's a potential spot for Hillary on Obama's cabinet if Obama were to win in November.


So she can undermine every decision he makes? I don't think Michelle would allow that anyways.


I think if Hillary had won the nomination, she would have seriously considered Obama as a running mate or in some other important job. But, I can't see the up-side for Obama to do this for Hillary. Hmm. I edited this. How to politely say that Bill cannot be controlled? What I mean is - for a former president, he is not graceful - he has been too outspoken and arrogant, I think. Isn't it traditional that former presidents try to not interfere once they have left office? Otherwise, there is no clear line of power - if everyone is still listening to the guy who was in office before.

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Posted: 09 Jun 08, 14:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Isn't it traditional that former presidents try to not interfere once they have left office? Otherwise, there is no clear line of power - if everyone is still listening to the guy who was in office before.


Well, this is definitely new ground we're treading on. Bill is still quite lively compared to former presidents past, who were pretty much finished in the public light.

The democrats, though, tend to come back, though not as much as Bill appears to be. I'm thinking of Carter, Gore, and others who simply wouldn't go away. Remember Carter helped the baseball labor negotiators and then thought he could resolve the Isreal/Palastine conflict. Oops.

But what's unique here is that Bill is having to play second fiddle, even though the media would have him (and America) believe that he's just as popular now, if not more, than his wife. I think that's a tough pill to swallow.

But back to the point. I don't think either campaign would want the other to serve in any fashion. John Klein, in this week's Time Magazine, has a very in depth article on this very issue. He points to a very dark, behind the scenes battle. And Hillary is not one to take defeat easily, considering she pretty much had it made for the next few years if she wouldn't have entered this race.

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Posted: 09 Jun 08, 15:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hillary as VP would sink Obama.

Bill Richardson will, IMO, be his running mate.

Just a hunch.

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Posted: 09 Jun 08, 18:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Clinton as Obama's running mate would be undefeatable. The combined support of both candidates will blow McCain out of the water.

If Clinton is _not_ Obama's running mate, _that_ would cause problems, and would potentially divide the party, which is heavily challenged in the unity department (despite having two nearly identical front runners - hey, that's politics).


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