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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 10:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Over the past few months, I have been writing posts about Freddie's sex life and drug use. Some of which have been taken down.

What all these posts have in common is that I cite sources: Everything from Q magazine to website of Freddie's friends. The also use curse words (male anatomy, etc.).

Has this happened to anyone else?

I've only noticed this in the past few months. I'm curious if this has happened anyone else.


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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 10:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wrong forum.

But to answer your question, no, this has never happened to me.


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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 10:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I find it highly unlikely that posts have been removed unless they were simply spam posts.

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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 10:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's very unlikely that your posts were deleted, Daniel. Only if a troll starts a spam topic and the whole topic is deleted your posts in that thread would be deleted in the process. Around June 1st there was a problem with the QZ server when a fire broke out in the power room of the server host - the threads of a whole day were lost.

You can be sure that your posts are not censored for content, that has never happened on QZ. Only illegal stuff is deleted from the forum and it's always the whole thread, never single posts in a thread.

About the missing posts in the thread about the Freddie biopic - I counted 31 messages you posted in that thread (including the one in which you say that you miss some posts), please tell me which ones are missing. Maybe the correct timeline was messed up, that happens sometimes in longer threads.

To make it very clear: I did not delete your posts and Richard certainly did not dlete them, either.


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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 10:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not as upset at that as I am the more grevious breeches, such as the electro-shock treatment and animal testing that goes on here.

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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 10:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmmm. I put it on this forum because I only go on the Serious Discussion forum, but I'll go ahead and put it on the QZ-related forum.


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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Steven and others, I offer as evidence some quotes from Q magazine's Freddie story from a couple years ago [I think 2005], "The Queen of Cock."

Before the quote, the writer, Steve Lowe, outlines how Freddie "never tried to his his homosexual liaisons" from his friend Barbara Valentin during the Munich years. "[I]ndeed," Lowe recounts, Valentin "once recalled finding him naked on a balcony, singing We Are The Champions to some construction workers below shouting: 'Whoever has the biggest dick, come on up!"

Lowe then talks about the infamous Sid Vicious meeting and an incident in which Freddie asks a woman accompanying Roger whom he had taken a dislike to, "How big is your cunt, dear? Can you get it over your head dear?"

"Such behaviour," Lowe continues, "was presumably exacerbated by another affair he maintained into the late '80s: cocaine. Once, flying to America on [the] Concorde, he discovered a large stash in his bag and, in an attempt to avoid an awkward US customs bust, snorted the lot. "Freddie didn't need the plane," his personal manager Paul Prenter recounted. "He was so high on drugs he could have flown over the Atlantic by himself."

I point all this stuff out to add to the discussion about Freddie's gayness and drug use. And also because I find it thrilling and interesting. I think it's exciting that he was so in-your-face about his sexual liaisons and cocaine use--and on the Concord, no less!

Perhaps Cunningham, in his research, draws on these kind of stories for the screenplay? Go ahead and discount the story and the quotes, I suppose. But if you put these together with Phoebe's accounts and other stories I could find in my files, we have a portrait of a person fairly interested in his nose candy. And gay sex.




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And here's a quote from one of Paul Prenter's ex-boyfriends:

"I don’t think I’ll be causing any great scandal when I say that one of my main memories of Freddie is of the huge amounts of cocaine he took (and always shared), and which I, being 21 years old at the time, was happy to join in with (well I wouldn’t say no now either!).

"On a number of occasions I did go back to Freddie’s house off Kensington High Street, though my memories of this are also vague since this was always after a long night of drink and drugs, and the visits involved popping in, doing a few lines of coke (and his coke was always the best), then leaving to go home with Paul."

Source: http://hometown.aol.co.uk/glamrockbear2/page15.html




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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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That scene doesn't read as fantastic. And that idea that Cunningham isn't interested in the rock scene is problematic. I'm with you there.

But gay is going to be a theme. Gay gay gay. Guys with penises kissing other guys with other penises. Guys with penises performing acts on other guys' penises. That's what gay is. And whether we like it or not, gay is hip these days. Or something. Brokeback Mountain, etc.

UP, all you gotta do is say it's like Velvet Goldmine, and I'm outta here. It's funny: A lot of times, people employ gay writers (like Paul Rudnick in the lesbian bar scene in the First Wives Club) to "punch up" the dialogue and realism in gay-themed scenes. Maybe Cunningham et al will have to hire a straight male rocker to "punch up" the rock scenes in Somebody to Love. We could all offer our services...


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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 11:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Un-fucking unbelievable.

Freddie was a raging homosexual.

Don't you guys get it?

He was a raging homosexual *and* a great musician.

Why is this idea that Freddie was a raging, practicing, homosexual so distracting, so undermining, so very much beneath his legacy?

It *is* his legacy. It's not a different aspect, or a distraction, or something that distracts from the music.

It *is* the fucking music.

Get over it.

Freddie loved men. Men men men.

It's what he was. He didn't need to say he was gay. He personified gayness.

The band's name is Queen. Do you all get it or not get it?

I grew up denying all this. I grew up saying to my fellow eavy metal fans in New Jersey, "they call themselves Queen because they're British. It's not because any of them are fags."

I grew up thinking this was a problem.

But you know what? I got smarter. I met gay people. I am friends with gay people. This doesn't "distract" or "undermine" my relationships with them. Nor is it something I ignore with these people. Like all of our qualities we see in each other, someone's homosexuality, the people they love, it's part of their personhood.

The idea that someone would be a Queen fan and look to other people or themselves as looking at Freddie's story as being "too gay" or focusing on his love life as undermining of his musical legacy is not only laughable. It's hypocritical and pretty fucking naive.

I know, there's gonna be someone saying "geez, if he were straight, I'd say the same thing."

Bullshit. What a bunch of fucking bullshit. I have never bought that on the Queen boards. And I believe it comes from a minority of Queen fans.

It's time to grow up and face the music. Freddie was gay. He dressed like a Chelsea boy, he had a cock-duster mustache, and he wore white leather shorts. He loved men, he loved love.

That, to me now--and I speak as a straight man with a wife and daughter--is part of his appeal. He's completely different than me, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

He's Freddie.







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From page 3 of the biopic thread. Please let me know if you miss something else. I would hate it if you think that someone sneaks into a thread on Queenzone and deletes individual posts from the thread. This does not happen. If a post is missing within a thread it means that the user account was deleted (spammer, troll) and in that case all his messages disappear.


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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 11:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks again YV. I actually type up my posts in Word before I paste them in -- yes, I am that much of a nerd -- but I am away from them now. It looks like one post did not make it up to the board last night, when I was suffering from insomnia and was posting like crazy. I'm away from my home PC now; will re-post.

The reason I think about the c-word (censorship) is that, a couple years ago--like 2004 or so--I put up some racy posts here and they disappeared.


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Posted: 10 Jun 08, 14:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can assure you that none of your posts were ever singled out and deleted from this board in 2004 or at any other point in time. The forum history goes back till about June 2004 because Richard deletes old "seasons" periodically.

On the old board

http://www.queenzone.com/queen/forum/

you can click on "search", search by your name and you get all your posts that are on the QZ forum on one page. It's the easiest way to find older threads you posted in.


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Posted: 23 Jun 08, 22:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You.


Are.


Amazing.





That's pretty much my life story, except the fact that after I accepted Gay people, I realized that I was bisexual. So, if it weren't for Freddie, i'd be in the closet still.


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