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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 07:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why are there differences between the broadcast audio and the audio on the album club (which is also from the Al Murray show, according to the label).

At first listen I thought it was a different mix, because audio needs to be different for tv. But when I listened better to the album club version I noticed that some licks were gone, and especially the chorus sounds different. The vocals from Brian and Roger sound live, instead of the studio sound from the original broadcast.

Why is this, and how come there same (alleged) performance has two different outcomes.



My theory is that Brian's Curse ripped up the Space/Time continuum and therefor it is possible that they did 2 different versions at the exact same moment.

I'm sure someone else can think of a more satisfying theory


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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 09:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My guess would be that the TV version was mastered live and the Album club version has since been through a soundboard to get the levels better.


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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 09:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Alternatively, they could have done more than one take, which is quite common for a TV production, and the AC version was an alternative take.


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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 10:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have noticed that as well, but at first I thought it was just a matter of mixing, equalizing and, also, the bad quality of the album club version.

I would also like to point out that the radio ad version sounds even more different, much softer. Again, that could be down to equalizing and stuff.

I just hope they release a heavy version of the riff, because I don't like the soft version I - bearly - hear on the radio ad.

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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 12:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's more than just mixing or mastering. Mixing or mastering doesn't add or remove music. There are clearly some different parts


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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken wrote:

It's more than just mixing or mastering. Mixing or mastering doesn't add or remove music. There are clearly some different parts


Mastering doesn't add or remove, but just enhances or softens certain frequencies, but mixing DOES add or remove music, that's the whole point!! You can record several parts, but then in the mix completely remove any given one or more of them. :-)

knowing how fussy Queen are with their sound (and it was done by their sound guys, not the in house ITV mob), I'm sure the broadcast version wasn't mixed and mastered live, especially as the show was recorded a few days before it was broadcast.

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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 15:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

maybe the ac version is a fan mix lol.

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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 16:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

anyone else notice a slight lyric change in the verses? im sure there are.



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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 17:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


I suggest both C-lebrity and The whole house rocking are snippets from the album (unmastered)..

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Posted: 07 Jul 08, 18:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

cmsdrums wrote:

FriedChicken wrote:

It's more than just mixing or mastering. Mixing or mastering doesn't add or remove music. There are clearly some different parts


Mastering doesn't add or remove, but just enhances or softens certain frequencies, but mixing DOES add or remove music, that's the whole point!! You can record several parts, but then in the mix completely remove any given one or more of them. :-)

knowing how fussy Queen are with their sound (and it was done by their sound guys, not the in house ITV mob), I'm sure the broadcast version wasn't mixed and mastered live, especially as the show was recorded a few days before it was broadcast.


I know what Mixing is. But removing stuff totally destroys the point of a live recording. That's why I said it, because mixing a live recording usually isn't about removing stuff. Unless you want to remove unwanted noise.

But I'm talking about removed guitar riffs. Just listen to the little lick Brian plays (on one string) in the intro. It's absent on the AC version. And also the backing vocals from Brian and Roger sound TOTALLY different. Not tonally different, but performance different.

Also when you watch the footage of the broadcast you can hear Brian and Roger's backing vocals when their mouths aren't directed at a microphone.

I think the AC version is the original recording made for Al Murray's tv show. And that they weren't happy with the performance so they re-did a couple of things. In my opinion the backing vocals from the broadcast come from the studio version. And so did those little licks Brian plays. (which are absent on the original (?) AC version)


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Posted: 08 Jul 08, 08:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I listened last night and must say that I think the version on the album club sounds much better than what was broadcast. The guitar sounds more prominent during the chorus.

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Posted: 09 Jul 08, 03:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I also noticed that the videoclip of the AM Show in the Album Club has a different editing.

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Posted: 22 Jul 08, 14:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Here's the slight lyrical difference at the start of the second verse:
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TV BROADCAST VERSION:

I wanna get my features in magazines,
See this creature on every street, on every screen...

ALBUM CLUB AUDIO VERSION:

I wanna get my features on your TV,
See this creature on every street, on every scene...
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I can see why the broadcast version was amended - I assume the studio version was used to overdub the lead vocal.