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Posted: 11 Jul 08, 16:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

An English band we all love and admire is going to release a box set of their career from 1970-1975 this fall.

Included will be all the studio albums remastered as well as remixed in surround sound, and a cd of b-sides and unreleased demos. The accompanying dvds will feature over three hours of interviews with all the members, and four television specials (over 2 hours) of concert footage...

The only downside for some people is that this is a Genesis release, not a Queen release.

http://genesis-movement.org/

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Posted: 11 Jul 08, 17:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

An okay band, but we don't all love and admire them.


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Posted: 11 Jul 08, 18:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ahhh... I almost passed out when I realized that it was genesis, and not queen... mmm... I hate You!

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Posted: 11 Jul 08, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jacob Britt wrote:

An okay band, but we don't all love and admire them.


"Okay band"? Genesis? You are 21, you still have plenty of time to get there ;-)

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Posted: 11 Jul 08, 19:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Tero, you still missed an important point. This is their THIRD box set and it follows another series of box-sets 10 years ago and those had only rarities and unreleased material.

Genesis are very kind to their fans. They dry their pockets with all these expensive releases, but each one is carefully analyzed and filled with extras and treats.
There's already another topic for When In Rome (is this a Genesis convention at a Queen forum? ;-) ) and that is just another example. It is an expensive set of dvd's but hell, they are well produced. The concert is amazing and the extras are delightful. And then you have a third disc with a 3 hour documentary about the insecurities of 3 Rock N' Roll legends.

There is, however, one major complaint that can't be overlooked. The sound for the albums of the past two box sets has been literally butchered by Nick Davis. He removed parts in some songs (the guitar solo in Misunderstanding for example) and overcompressed the sound in a way that it is painful to the ears. Shame on you Mr. Davis. The worst is that the man in charge - Tony Banks - seems to like the overcompression on the old songs. Unfortunately Mike and Phil don't seem to be bothered either.
Let's see if Peter's input to this last batch has been positive.

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Posted: 11 Jul 08, 20:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mustapha_Ibrahim wrote:

Jacob Britt wrote:

An okay band, but we don't all love and admire them.


"Okay band"? Genesis? You are 21, you still have plenty of time to get there ;-)


I'm a fan of a lot of bands, thousands in fact. I'm not a typical 21 year old. I'm not a young person who goes out and just buys Greatest Hits. I don't even download music off of limewire. My top favorite bands are Queen, The Beach Boys, J. Geils Band, My Chemical Romance, Bryan Adams, Twisted Sister, Led Zepplin, Smash Mouth... I've got a wide range of tastes. Genesis just doesn't stick in my head, nor does it inspire me in any way.


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Posted: 11 Jul 08, 21:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 04:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mustapha_Ibrahim wrote:

Tero, you still missed an important point. This is their THIRD box set and it follows another series of box-sets 10 years ago and those had only rarities and unreleased material.


Nah, I deliberately ignored that point in order to confuse people. It's also posted in the wrong section of that board for that precise reason.
You see, there are still people out there who think Queen are treating their fans well with their (re-)releases. ;)

(As for Nick Davis "butchering" the albums... There are about ten people out of the thousands of members on the Genesis forum who agree with that sentiment.)

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 04:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like the new 2007 mixes. Especially on albums like Wind & Wuthering and Trick of the Tail the new mixes sound a lot better than the old 1994 remasters IMO.

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 05:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen - Serious Discussion Board.

Think on.

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 10:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mooghead wrote:

Queen - Serious Discussion Board.

Think on.


Given how poor the average Queen topics have been in here lately, I dont even care if people want to talk Genesis for a bit!

I count myself lucky if theres two new topics a week that arent boring or pointless in here at the moment.


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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 11:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fair enough, I see we have different views on the remasters.
Well, it's true that some songs do take advantage of the new mixes, but overall the sound is too loud; I find myself rubbing my ears at the end of the album...
Not to mention what was done with Misunderstanding, one of my favourite songs...

Anyway, dubious decisions aside, we can see in all these releases a concern about the hardcore fans, with all the promos, live footage and new interviews for each album.

I have to say I am quite excited about the extras for this new batch. Popshop? Bataclan? Shepperton? Maybe some new Lamb live footage? We'll see in a very short time.

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 11:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think this is a good news for every Queen fan. I respect Genesis, but I don't care about this.
I wait for a Queen release lke this.


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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 11:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jacob Britt wrote:

Mustapha_Ibrahim wrote:

Jacob Britt wrote:

An okay band, but we don't all love and admire them.


"Okay band"? Genesis? You are 21, you still have plenty of time to get there ;-)


I'm a fan of a lot of bands, thousands in fact. I'm not a typical 21 year old. I'm not a young person who goes out and just buys Greatest Hits. I don't even download music off of limewire. My top favorite bands are Queen, The Beach Boys, J. Geils Band, My Chemical Romance, Bryan Adams, Twisted Sister, Led Zepplin, Smash Mouth... I've got a wide range of tastes. Genesis just doesn't stick in my head, nor does it inspire me in any way.


Judging from your list, your taste is not as "wide" as you claim it to be, IMHO. You only list rock bands, of various kinds, that is true, but still...no jazz, classical, folk, country, world, avant-garde, funk, soul, etc.


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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 14:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bo Alex wrote:

I don't think this is a good news for every Queen fan. I respect Genesis, but I don't care about this.
I wait for a Queen release lke this.


That is actually why I started this topic. ;)

Other bands are doing releases like this, while the remains of Queen treat their fans as nothing more than a necessary evil who should get as little as possible.

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 15:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I could've sworn I wrote something about this a while ago (not the same exact thing, of course), but I can't seem to do a search for it, and the old board seems to be missing, so I can't search that way.

Anyway, I agree that Queen should do something like this for their fans. Considering the only accessible remasters are either the 1991 Hollywood Records ones (with terrible remixes and a dearth of worthwhile bonus tracks) or the 1993/1994 EMI remasters, I do believe that Queen should do something similar for their fans.

An easy way to do this would be to split the 15 studio albums into groups of threes (so box 1 would be Queen through ADATR, box 2 NOTW through Hot Space, and box 3 The Works through Made In Heaven), have one disc be a CD remaster and a second disc be a DVD-A or SACD version, and each disc can have a bonus disc of additional stuff (B-sides, extended versions, rarities, etc.). Maybe even a second bonus disc of BBC sessions for the first 2 boxes, and the third box can have stuff that spills over from the first disc of rarities on that set.

On the DVD side of each disc, have corresponding music videos, TV footage, and new interviews with Brian and Roger (doubtful John would want to join in), and studio and managerial people involved in the production of each album.

Shame they'll never do this, though. Obviously, they'd still rather trot out yet another compilation of songs we've all heard before than to give their album discography the care and attention it deserves. Ah well, we can dream, can't we?

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 17:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love Genss too, but I wonder this thread is in the "Serious Discussion" section...

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Posted: 12 Jul 08, 19:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nope. Not a big fan of country. But I listen to a lot of Michael Buble, Baltimora, Hound Dog Taylor, Wham!, Don Henley, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, MC Hammer, Ray Parker Jr., Britney Spears, Dashboard Confessional, Dan Hartman, Lenny Kravitz, Nirvana, Supertramp, Slade, Yanni (love his work), Jethro Tull, etc. I probably have 200 different LP's of different artists. Same with CDs... including country artists but I'm not a country fan. I've got probably 300 45s of different groups/bands/artists, and a ton of CD and cassette singles I've even got Will Smith and ICP but I don't care for those two that much. But it doesn't mean I don't listen. When I get an album, I listen through the whole thing. Especially LPs... it's like magical to me, and inspiring. I've probably got a few Genesis LPs, maybe even some singles. If you want an honest opinion of mine on Genesis, I prefer Phil Collin's singing more than Peter Gabriel's. I enjoy their song 'That's All' quite a bit. I do however love Peter Gabriel's "Solsbury Hill"

There's probably like 25 different rock bands that I constantly listen to, and Genesis isn't on that list, because I find their music boring. It doesn't grip. It's just my ears listening, if others love Genesis, that's great and wonderful, but I don't think everyone on this forum, myself including, loves Genesis. That was the point of my reply.


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Posted: 14 Jul 08, 06:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fair enough; so essentially, you're an all-round ROCK fan, which is far from a narrow taste, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a very wide area of musical interest: rock is only one way of treating western tonal music, which is only one way of treating equal division of the octave, which is only one way of treating aural physics, etc.


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Posted: 25 Jul 08, 16:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As long as it's not Nickleback, I'm grateful. I hope they go the way of Buddy Holly before they have enough 'songs' to make a box set out of.


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