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Posted: 08 Aug 08, 07:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html

Some reports claim Russia has already joined the fight; the Kremlin has stated that they will respond to Georgia's military operations in South Ossetia. A large war in the Caucasus region, that has been brewing since the collapse of the Soviet Union, seems likely at this time.


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Posted: 08 Aug 08, 11:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Georgian president has declared that his country is at war with Russia.


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Posted: 08 Aug 08, 19:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I HOPE IRAN WINS


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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 01:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 03:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Okay, I still don't understand ow much a war in east europe can affect the rest of the world, since it was more obvious a nuclear war.


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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 05:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

When gas and oil will disappear in your town - you'll understand.

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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 05:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I should move back to Venezuela then xD...

Cheap oil xD


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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 13:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i don't like, what BBC and CNN told about russian agression

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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 14:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Poor people.
I really hope it ends soon

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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 20:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fuck the Russia.


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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 20:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fuck fighting.


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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 20:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So, they're fighting over a stupid border dispute?

Meh.

I like it better when they fight over religious matters.


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Posted: 09 Aug 08, 20:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Can anybody explain to me the deal with this?

I understand that Georgia became independant of Russia, then Georgia wanted to own the other bit, and the other bit got pissed off and Russia sided with the other bit and bombs were thrown.

Is there any truth in that or did I make it up?

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Posted: 10 Aug 08, 01:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I understand that Georgia became independant of Russia, then Georgia wanted to own the other bit, and the other bit got pissed off and Russia sided with the other bit and bombs were thrown.


Georgia became independant of Soviet Union, not of Russia. Stop confusing Russia and USSR, Georgia was part of USSR as well as Russia with the same rights. South Ossetia became independat of USSR also and they didn't want to be a part of Georgia. This is how the war has started in the 90s. They both have asked for our help to make peace over there. We did. Now all agreements have been fucked by current Georgian government.

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Posted: 10 Aug 08, 06:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

...not to mention Russian provocation by sending troops to the border region a number of days ago. Georgia has been trying to provoke a war in the hope of getting Western support (and the idiots in the American government have given them that), Russia has been trying to provoke a war to annex Abchazia and South Ossetia. Putin (and let there be no doubt that he is still in charge) is an overt Russian nationalist, who believes that all areas in which ethnic Russians live should be part of the Russian state.

In short: neither side is innocent here, so the Russian several posts up who is angry with remarks of "Russian aggression" is as misguided as the Georgian army chief.


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Posted: 10 Aug 08, 06:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There's a fair point in this, Cas, but Russian troops were there for the last 15 years - what kind of provocation do you mean? Georgian troops two days ago were there for 13 times bigger than Russians, though by international agreements there can't be any Georgian troops at all in this region.

Being Russian myself I can tell you for sure that your version about annexation of Abchazia and SO is funny, but nothing more. Even hardcore Russian nationalists would never dream about it. And by the way there are not so many ethnic Russians, there are many citizens of Russia, but they're Ossetians. Though we've used that all nations who live in Russia are Russians for Western minds...

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Posted: 10 Aug 08, 06:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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There's a fair point in this, Cas, but Russian troops were there for the last 15 years - what kind of provocation do you mean? Georgian troops two days ago were there for 13 times bigger than Russians, though by international agreements there can't be any Georgian troops at all in this region.

Being Russian myself I can tell you for sure that your version about annexation of Abchazia and SO is funny, but nothing more. Even hardcore Russian nationalists would never dream about it. And by the way there are not so many ethnic Russians, there are many citizens of Russia, but they're Ossetians. Though we've used that all nations who live in Russia are Russians for Western minds...


International media report that South Ossetia's population is 70% ethnic Russian, with no specifications given for Abchazia, but for remarks that the situation there is similar. This may be wrong, but it is all the info I have. The provocation I refer to is the fact that over the last 15 days, Russian military activity around the Georgian border has dramatically increased. Granted, that is no immediate cause for a war, but I can imagine how it would be intimidating for a country struggling with a separatist region.

One thing that I find grossly unacceptable, however, is the deliberate targeting of CIVILIANS by Russian military. Airstrikes far outside South Ossetia have been reported, and they have predominantly been against civilian targets. I would just like to point out that this is a war crime.


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Posted: 10 Aug 08, 07:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"International media report that South Ossetia's population is 70% ethnic Russian, with no specifications given for Abchazia, but for remarks that the situation there is similar. This may be wrong, but it is all the info I have."

This is wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia#Demographics << this is more right. Ossetians have nothing to with Russians, Slavs etc. As you may see Russians were there usually for about 2% of whole population.

"One thing that I find grossly unacceptable, however, is the deliberate targeting of CIVILIANS by Russian military. Airstrikes far outside South Ossetia have been reported, and they have predominantly been against civilian targets."

This is wrong too. Well, as you understand I can't be objective here for 100%, but over 2000 Ossetians were killed by Georgian troops, who was killed by Russian troops - I don't know. Neither I don't know what was bombed-out in Georgia by our army, though it's true that there have already been some airstikes outside SO.

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Posted: 10 Aug 08, 07:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have already stated that the Georgian attack on Ossetia was wrong and illegal; thus, I do not condone their use of force there. However, I am now pointing to Russian military activity OUTSIDE the combat zone. Using military force against civilian targets is a war crime; using military force against regions not being contested (such as: the rest of Georgia) is also a war crime, not to mention a serious provocation.

Recent developments (see: Reuters, CNN, BBC etc.):

* Ukraine threatens to deny Russian navy access to Sebastopol
* Georgia claims it has withdrawn its troops from South Ossetia
* Russia denies this, says it will push on into western Georgia.

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Posted: 10 Aug 08, 07:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am not well informed but isn't it true that Georgia applied for NATO membership which Russia regards as a provocation? Who wants to prove what to whom in the current war is beyond me but my gut feeling tells me that the NATO should stay away from former Soviet Union states and give them the chance to build up a normal peaceful neighbour relationship. I am sure there are many chances to have economical and cultural relationships between former Soviet Union states and the rest of the world without Georgia being in the NATO and frightening their neighbours.

Remembering the second Gulf war (1991) when Iraq invaded Kuweit the coalition bombed Bagdad, they did not care if they killed civilians. When you start a war it can easily happen that your own people are killed just as cruelly as your own military killed other people.


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