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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 13:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s.

I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members.

When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts.

What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts?

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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 13:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

what are you talking about? alot of the stuff they did in the 80s is highly creative and awesome!


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 13:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There was no loss of creativity.
They just started creating crap.


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 14:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zebonka12 wrote:

There was no loss of creativity.
They just started creating crap.


Come on, crap? they did amazing songs in the 80s, 80s is the best period for music ever.


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 14:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree.

Seven Seas Of Rhye...
Some Day One Day
Misfire
She Makes Me
Good Company
Seaside Rendezvous
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon
Drowse
Sleeping On The Sidewalk
Who Needs You
All Dead All Dead
If You Can't Beat Them
In Only Seven Days


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 14:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jake? wrote:

I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree.

Seven Seas Of Rhye...
Some Day One Day
Misfire
She Makes Me
Good Company
Seaside Rendezvous
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon
Drowse
Sleeping On The Sidewalk
Who Needs You
All Dead All Dead
If You Can't Beat Them
In Only Seven Days


Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs.

I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like:

Cool Cat
Machines
Body Language
Pain is So Close to Pleasure
Don't Lose Your Head
Rain Must Fall
My Baby Does Me
Delilah


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 16:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hadrian wrote:

Jake? wrote:

I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree.

Seven Seas Of Rhye...
Some Day One Day
Misfire
She Makes Me
Good Company
Seaside Rendezvous
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon
Drowse
Sleeping On The Sidewalk
Who Needs You
All Dead All Dead
If You Can't Beat Them
In Only Seven Days


Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs.

I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like:

Cool Cat
Machines
Body Language
Pain is So Close to Pleasure
Don't Lose Your Head
Rain Must Fall
My Baby Does Me
Delilah


I don't hate filler songs.

And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know.

Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to.
Machines, filler? Yep.
Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to.
Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep!
Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.
Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song.
My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was.
Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song.

Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best!

Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned.

Misfire - Tacky.

She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate.

Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing.

Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler.

Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler.

Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody.

Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler!

Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block.

All Dead All Dead - Boring.

If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that?

In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 17:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In Only Seven Days is the worst of all Queen songs. GCSE lyrics, shite tune. Sums up the whole Jazz album which strangely enough produced Freddies best ever composition.

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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 17:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the reason is that times changed and so did the type of music that was popular. Freddie, immensely talented in writing grand songs that fared well in the glam-rock period, had to adjust to the more straight-forward 80's sound, along with the other three.

So it isn't that the material suffered, so much as it's that our boys were wise enough to know that they could either change, or keep writing the same material and disappear from the charts completely.

That, and with that much charlie to snort, who has time for quality song writing, my dear?


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 17:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mooghead wrote:

In Only Seven Days is the worst of all Queen songs. GCSE lyrics, shite tune. Sums up the whole Jazz album which strangely enough produced Freddies best ever composition.


What does GCSE mean? What do you think Freddie's best ever composition is?


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 17:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie's best song is Don't Stop Me Now. By GCSE lyrics (dont know where you are from but in England GCSE means General Certificate Of Secondary Education). I remember writing a story for school when I was 13 where every chapter was the next day of the week. Its schoolkid stuff. The perfect example of album filler.

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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 19:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kagezan1313 wrote:

I think the reason is that times changed and so did the type of music that was popular. Freddie, immensely talented in writing grand songs that fared well in the glam-rock period, had to adjust to the more straight-forward 80's sound, along with the other three.

So it isn't that the material suffered, so much as it's that our boys were wise enough to know that they could either change, or keep writing the same material and disappear from the charts completely.

That, and with that much charlie to snort, who has time for quality song writing, my dear?

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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 21:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jake? wrote:

Hadrian wrote:

Jake? wrote:

I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree.

Seven Seas Of Rhye...
Some Day One Day
Misfire
She Makes Me
Good Company
Seaside Rendezvous
Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon
Drowse
Sleeping On The Sidewalk
Who Needs You
All Dead All Dead
If You Can't Beat Them
In Only Seven Days


Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs.

I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like:

Cool Cat
Machines
Body Language
Pain is So Close to Pleasure
Don't Lose Your Head
Rain Must Fall
My Baby Does Me
Delilah


I don't hate filler songs.

And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know.

Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to.
Machines, filler? Yep.
Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to.
Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep!
Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.
Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song.
My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was.
Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song.

Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best!

Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned.

Misfire - Tacky.

She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate.

Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing.

Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler.

Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler.

Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody.

Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler!

Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block.

All Dead All Dead - Boring.

If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that?

In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.


I know what you were talking about when you mentioned SSOR... It's still a good song, regardless. Hey, basically, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. You can't assume that "it's a different genre than I'm used to" just because I don't like a particular song that you may like.


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Posted: 23 Aug 08, 21:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What does an asshole smell like though?

But I agree with you. It's all opinions.


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Posted: 24 Aug 08, 01:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All Dead, All Dead.... filler?? Haha. It's only Brian's best bit of guitar orchestration, ever. It might be boring to many ears, but it's certainly not filler from a musical standpoint.


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Posted: 24 Aug 08, 02:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jake? wrote:

What does an asshole smell like though?

But I agree with you. It's all opinions.


Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.



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Posted: 24 Aug 08, 06:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian's best songs are from 80's...
Save Me, Hammer To Fall, Who Wants To Live Forever, I Want It All...

John had AOBTD and I Want To Break Free...both great songs...

Roger and Freddie were a bit less creative than in the 70's...yet Freddie had Princes Of The Universe, The Miracle, Was It All Worth It...


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Posted: 24 Aug 08, 07:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

freddiesfairy wrote:




Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.



Wrong.

Opinions are like assholes, most of them stink.


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Posted: 24 Aug 08, 08:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zebonka12 wrote:

freddiesfairy wrote:




Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.



Wrong.

Opinions are like assholes, most of them stink.


Wrong again.

Opinions on QZ are like assholes, and Freddie's been in most of them.


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Posted: 24 Aug 08, 08:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I posted the original question in the hope of generating some serious and mature conversation. Apart from a very few, most of the comments are childish and immature.

Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners?

Thanks!