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Posted: 01 Sep 08, 17:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

People, I'd like to have your opinion on something. Why do porn movies make so much success? Why the search for this kind of thing in the web is so overwhelming?

First, let me explain why I find it odd. I've only seen a couple of these videos with friends. I found it so sad...I mean, first, because it's...I mean...sexuality is presented in such an agressive way, I think...and everything is so fake and absolutely out of touch with reality. The women usually do things in these movies that are absolutely degrading, absolutely degrading, really, it's ugly, I don't feel at ease describing it.

Ok, that goes for movies in general, all of them are based on illusion and demand us a certain suspension of disbelief. Ok. There are movies in which violence is all that there is and people find it cool.

But that still strikes me as odd. I mean...it's sex. I mean...violence, well, in fact there's nothing odd about it, is there?

But what...I mean...I ask for people who do enjoy these movies, and I don't want to judge anyone, it's just a doubt: where does the pleasure of seeing it come from?

Do men find it attractive to see women playing degraded and submissive roles, often humiliating? Because this is what I saw!

I mean...why?


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Posted: 01 Sep 08, 17:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And...do you think this kind of movie has any influence whatsoever on the sexual behavior of people in the REAL LIFE?

Like...let's suppose some day - unlikely..hehe! - I start dating someone. He becomes my boyfriend. Like...suppose the things are going to get rough, so to speak. Both, me and the boy, are sexually wow...but I like the boy. And then the boy wants do to things with me that he sees in these movies...it'd be nightmare, I'd never make it, even if I were deeply in love!

I mean...and...I fear that these things might happen.

It's all hypotetical. I don't have a boyfriend and am not dating anyone. But I do think that the way guys approach me sometimes when they do, for some reason I can't explain, feel attraction for me is quite...I mean...they want to have sex, and that's all. That's my impression.

It may be a prejudice and have sounded offensive to really kind boys, who want to have sex, for sure, but maybe not only that...like...

Is there love? Or is it an invention?


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Posted: 01 Sep 08, 18:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why are your questions so long??


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Posted: 01 Sep 08, 18:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yara wrote:

People, I'd like to have your opinion on something. Why do porn movies make so much success? Why the search for this kind of thing in the web is so overwhelming?

First, let me explain why I find it odd. I've only seen a couple of these videos with friends. I found it so sad...I mean, first, because it's...I mean...sexuality is presented in such an agressive way, I think...and everything is so fake and absolutely out of touch with reality. The women usually do things in these movies that are absolutely degrading, absolutely degrading, really, it's ugly, I don't feel at ease describing it.

Ok, that goes for movies in general, all of them are based on illusion and demand us a certain suspension of disbelief. Ok. There are movies in which violence is all that there is and people find it cool.

But that still strikes me as odd. I mean...it's sex. I mean...violence, well, in fact there's nothing odd about it, is there?

But what...I mean...I ask for people who do enjoy these movies, and I don't want to judge anyone, it's just a doubt: where does the pleasure of seeing it come from?

Do men find it attractive to see women playing degraded and submissive roles, often humiliating? Because this is what I saw!

I mean...why?


I don't know, I never watched that hardcore stuff much (I once watched a pro porn vid of girls fighting and hitting eachother and then ending up having sex and doing kinky things). But if it's degrading to women, wouldn't it be to men as well (depending on the film)??? And I've read that there's a lot of women who buy these films, and not just gay/bisexual women. Some women like violent kind of things.

My opinion is that those videos are so lame. Too fake. I've seen documentary's on those porn films, the men take viagra to keep it hard and working all day, and the women lube themselves up pretty good. Orgams? Fake. They even put make up over their assholes to make it appear perfectly pink.

Home videos all the way!


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Posted: 01 Sep 08, 19:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Why are your questions so long??


They arent long at all. Yara has just explained her reasons and thoughts behind asking the question, thats all.


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Posted: 01 Sep 08, 19:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The questions are short. There are just too many of them, so it's hard to determine the overall point or direction of the conversation.


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Posted: 01 Sep 08, 20:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 00:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are lots of kinds of porn... not just the typical "man" stuff. Not everything is awful and "violent".



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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 03:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

as the man known locally as the 'Praa Sands porn King' i say "keep it coming" [if you excuse the pun]


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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 07:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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as the man known locally as the 'Praa Sands porn King' i say "keep it coming" [if you excuse the pun]


Hahaha. Of course I excuse the pun! I missed you so very much, really. I love your sense of humor.

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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 08:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yara wrote:


First, let me explain why I find it odd. I've only seen a couple of these videos with friends. I found it so sad...


...but porn is so fuckin' funny!

Just the porn audio by itself is funny enough.


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Mr.Jingles wrote:

Yara wrote:


First, let me explain why I find it odd. I've only seen a couple of these videos with friends. I found it so sad...


...but porn is so fuckin' funny!

Just the porn audio by itself is funny enough.




yeah it is XD


omg i cant watch it cuz i either feel awkward or i just start laughing.


the funniest is softcore, since they arent paid enough to actually penetrate, so they hump eachothers stomachs or backs XD


i dont feel porn is nessesary. but i guess its like violent video games, instead of taking it out or ruining things on innocent people, keep it at home and get it out of your system XD


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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 11:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Good lord, I never expected to see such a thing on here!

Well, I think porn serves its purpose - and during those barren spells when you're not having sex its a useful aid, haha!
Some women like it, and for men its not essential, but it is very useful - men are biologically programmed to work from visual stimulus in these sorts of things, so when its just you and Mrs Hand, its much better than staring at a wall!

As for the degrading part, I think theres a few sides to this. Firstly, hardcore porn like that Yara described actually bores me for the reasons Yara and someone else mentioned - its fake and exaggerated, and I dont believe for a second anyone is really enjoying themselves as much as the soundtrack would make out, hehe.
Home movies are better, and feature less of the degrading and fakery.
However, there is of course some homemade stuff that involves the portrayal of women as submissive, and sex objects. Why?
Well first of all - with homemade stuff, its far more likely that its all consensual, and the reason for it is that both the man and woman find their respective roles enjoyable or arousing in some way: in which case, fair enough-as long as no one gets hurt, thats all good in my book.

Why are these themes so prevailant in hardcore, and sometimes in homemade stuff?
I think its an unfortunate fact that sexually most men are programmed to like to be in control. In fact, not just sexually - generally men like to be in charge. Its all biology - were built to be the big chest thumping male. While this is tempered in a civilised society by respect and equality, during sex, perhaps the most primal thing, often men, to varying degrees are still more aroused when in control, and when a woman is to some extent submissive.

It is of course a matter of degree - I doubt many people want to go as far as hardcore porn goes, and of course some people like it the other way, where the woman runs the show like some sort of dominatrix. Or just a balance.

Porn is fantasy though - it takes these things as far as they can go, which is fine, because its not real, and its controlled, as long as people remember that, everything is alright.

I think you should distinguish between "love making" and "fucking" - the former being a deep, sensual thing two people in love do, the latter being more about pure pleasure and gratification, and that is what porn is about.

Dont worry Yara - I believe in a thing called love, and I dont think many people want to have sex like in a porn film. Unless thats what you're into, hehe.


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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 12:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cwazy little thing wrote:

I think you should distinguish between "love making" and "fucking" - the former being a deep, sensual thing two people in love do, the latter being more about pure pleasure and gratification,


You gotta be really good to sell that one...

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The porn industry is simply another product of the capitalist system.

Women (and men) are being portrayed in a way that'll make the capitalist money and maximize profits, by presenting strange, rarely achievable and twisted ideals for the masses.

Ah, greed.


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The porn industry is simply another product of the capitalist system.

Women (and men) are being portrayed in a way that'll make the capitalist money and maximize profits, by presenting strange, rarely achievable and twisted ideals for the masses.

Ah, greed.


Anything that has mass appeal sells. People love sex and sensationalism. Combine both and you got yourself a cash making machine.

Even anti-capitalism sells.
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Poo again wrote:

The porn industry is simply another product of the capitalist system.

Women (and men) are being portrayed in a way that'll make the capitalist money and maximize profits, by presenting strange, rarely achievable and twisted ideals for the masses.

Ah, greed.


That doesn't make it a bad thing.

Basically, one could rephrase what you said to be, "Firms provide a service to society by fulfilling demands that we otherwise are incapable of fulfilling. They only profit if their product is desirable and harmless (or if the harm is consensual, and only affects the consenting individual)."

Greed is inherent to humans. Capitalism is the only system that can properly operate consistently with human nature. It transforms greed into progress, and without greed, our quality of life would be almost naught.


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Music Man wrote:

Poo again wrote:

The porn industry is simply another product of the capitalist system.

Women (and men) are being portrayed in a way that'll make the capitalist money and maximize profits, by presenting strange, rarely achievable and twisted ideals for the masses.

Ah, greed.


That doesn't make it a bad thing.

Basically, one could rephrase what you said to be, "Firms provide a service to society by fulfilling demands that we otherwise are incapable of fulfilling. They only profit if their product is desirable and harmless (or if the harm is consensual, and only affects the consenting individual)."

Greed is inherent to humans. Capitalism is the only system that can properly operate consistently with human nature. It transforms greed into progress, and without greed, our quality of life would be almost naught.


No.

The capitalist creates an ideal, not from our demands, but from his own desire for profit.

They profit on the twisted and unnatural view of women and sexuality planted in our minds.

And claiming that the capitalist system is the only one compatible with the human race is doing exactly what the capitalist wants and expects of you. My friend, you have been brainwashed. I know it's an ugly word, but it's true.

The greed of the capitalist will stop at nothing to maximize profits at the expense of the oppressed peoples of the world.

It does make it a bad thing. Capitalism is the root of starvation, injustice and poverty in the world.


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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 14:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Poo again wrote:

Music Man wrote:

Poo again wrote:

The porn industry is simply another product of the capitalist system.

Women (and men) are being portrayed in a way that'll make the capitalist money and maximize profits, by presenting strange, rarely achievable and twisted ideals for the masses.

Ah, greed.


That doesn't make it a bad thing.

Basically, one could rephrase what you said to be, "Firms provide a service to society by fulfilling demands that we otherwise are incapable of fulfilling. They only profit if their product is desirable and harmless (or if the harm is consensual, and only affects the consenting individual)."

Greed is inherent to humans. Capitalism is the only system that can properly operate consistently with human nature. It transforms greed into progress, and without greed, our quality of life would be almost naught.


No.

The capitalist creates an ideal, not from our demands, but from his own desire for profit.

They profit on the twisted and unnatural view of women and sexuality planted in our minds.

And claiming that the capitalist system is the only one compatible with the human race is doing exactly what the capitalist wants and expects of you. My friend, you have been brainwashed. I know it's an ugly word, but it's true.

The greed of the capitalist will stop at nothing to maximize profits at the expense of the oppressed peoples of the world.

It does make it a bad thing. Capitalism is the root of starvation, injustice and poverty in the world.


Somehow a capitalist system is what's allowing you to buy a computer and pay for an online connection, just so you can go on a message board and rant against capitalism.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with capitalism as long as both buyer and seller are satisfied with making business.
My only issue with capitalism are deception tactics and manipulation. I'm totally against merchants, businesses, and corporations abusing the trust of consumers.


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Posted: 02 Sep 08, 14:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Poo again wrote:

Music Man wrote:

Poo again wrote:

The porn industry is simply another product of the capitalist system.

Women (and men) are being portrayed in a way that'll make the capitalist money and maximize profits, by presenting strange, rarely achievable and twisted ideals for the masses.

Ah, greed.


That doesn't make it a bad thing.

Basically, one could rephrase what you said to be, "Firms provide a service to society by fulfilling demands that we otherwise are incapable of fulfilling. They only profit if their product is desirable and harmless (or if the harm is consensual, and only affects the consenting individual)."

Greed is inherent to humans. Capitalism is the only system that can properly operate consistently with human nature. It transforms greed into progress, and without greed, our quality of life would be almost naught.


No.

The capitalist creates an ideal, not from our demands, but from his own desire for profit.

They profit on the twisted and unnatural view of women and sexuality planted in our minds.

And claiming that the capitalist system is the only one compatible with the human race is doing exactly what the capitalist wants and expects of you. My friend, you have been brainwashed. I know it's an ugly word, but it's true.

The greed of the capitalist will stop at nothing to maximize profits at the expense of the oppressed peoples of the world.

It does make it a bad thing. Capitalism is the root of starvation, injustice and poverty in the world.


Somehow a capitalist system is what's allowing you to buy a computer and pay for an online connection, just so you can go on a message board and rant against capitalism.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with capitalism as long as both buyer and seller are satisfied with making business.
My only issue with capitalism are deception tactics. I'm totally against merchants, businesses, and corporations abusing the trust of consumers.


If you've read Marx you should know that capitalism is the state prior to the revolution of the proletariat, and an absolutely necessary stage in the development of mankind on the path to the socialist utopia.

But of course, you haven't got Marx in America, have you?

I have no choice but to live in a world of capitalism, a system that is bound to destroy itself, simply by fulfilling itself.

If what you've mentioned above is the only thing that you''ve got against capitalism then you must either be a monster or very ignorant, and I'll go with the latter.


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