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Posted: 22 Sep 08, 05:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello To all the extensive Queen community,

I am currently studying Audio Engineering and I have a Serious Critical Listening Analysis assignment to do for which i have chosen the Queen song, 'I Want To Break Free'

I was hoping that the more dedicated Queen lovers would be able to help me out with some technical data, the more the better, i.e which guitars and bass were used, the into synth model and any information you may have on how they actually recorded I Want To Break Free would be much appreciated, please help, Georgie.


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Posted: 22 Sep 08, 07:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I guess this is what you're looking for - http://sebastian.queenconcerts.com/g-songs-11-06.htm 





























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Posted: 22 Sep 08, 08:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was just about to suggest that...

Re the synth at a guess it will have been the Korg M1 which I beleieve they were using around that time. Sorry nothing definate though.



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Posted: 22 Sep 08, 15:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Korg M1's didn't exist in 1983-1984.


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Posted: 22 Sep 08, 17:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The only things i know is that the solo is a synth and not Brian´s guitar.
I´ve heard that the bass was synth too, but acording to sebastian site it seems that an electric bass was used. I´m not shure about this one.


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Posted: 22 Sep 08, 20:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bobby_brown wrote:

The only things i know is that the solo is a synth and not Brian´s guitar.
I´ve heard that the bass was synth too, but acording to sebastian site it seems that an electric bass was used. I´m not shure about this one.


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You know I actually had never thought the solo was anything but guitar, but I think that was me being blinded by the live versions - listening back now theres something about the way its played which doesnt have the feel of a guitar, or Bri's playing - synth it is!
There you go - you learn something every day.


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Posted: 23 Sep 08, 01:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You know, Brian once won a magazine poll for doing that 'guitar' solo!


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Posted: 23 Sep 08, 04:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

Korg M1's didn't exist in 1983-1984.


Tru nuff tru nuff, just checked back 88 would appear to be the first production issue.

Well there you go I said nothing definate, infact it turned out to be nothing useful!!!


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Posted: 23 Sep 08, 04:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I thought it was the Fairlight Queen debuted on The Works.


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Posted: 23 Sep 08, 07:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fred's solo is on a Jupiter 8, that's a dead cert. The other parts could use other keyboards, or even a combination of them to make a fat sound.


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Posted: 25 Sep 08, 05:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I own a Roland Juno-D and it's got a patch called 'Jupiter Strings' - basically the Jupiter 8 string patch and it IS the intro chords to the song (no contest!)
Hope this helps.
Also, is it just me or does the cowbell sound really dissonant to the rest of the instrumentation and the key (E)?!


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Posted: 25 Sep 08, 09:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Baboolal wrote:

I guess this is what you're looking for - http://sebastian.queenconcerts.com/g-songs-11-06.htm

Good to hear from another engineer!

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I agree! And defenately female engineers!
Good job!


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Posted: 25 Sep 08, 09:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

earwig wrote:

I own a Roland Juno-D and it's got a patch called 'Jupiter Strings' - basically the Jupiter 8 string patch and it IS the intro chords to the song (no contest!)
Hope this helps.
Also, is it just me or does the cowbell sound really dissonant to the rest of the instrumentation and the key (E)?!


Is there something wrong with dissonants??


It's totally okay for percussion to sound dissonant


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Posted: 25 Sep 08, 09:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the solo was played with a guitar through a vocoder, or a synth with an input of some kind.

First I thought it was a synth playing. But then I noticed that you can really hear Brian's guitar playing style in the synth sound. So it must be a guitar solo played through a synth.




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Posted: 25 Sep 08, 09:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken wrote:

earwig wrote:

I own a Roland Juno-D and it's got a patch called 'Jupiter Strings' - basically the Jupiter 8 string patch and it IS the intro chords to the song (no contest!)
Hope this helps.
Also, is it just me or does the cowbell sound really dissonant to the rest of the instrumentation and the key (E)?!


Is there something wrong with dissonants??


It's totally okay for percussion to sound dissonant


It depends, really; dissonance is permissible at all times, in all instruments, but it works better in some places in some songs than in others. I wouldn't go so far as to say "percussion can sound dissonant". That may be an effect you wish to add to some songs, but I certainly wouldn't use it at all times.


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Posted: 25 Sep 08, 11:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken wrote:

I think the solo was played with a guitar through a vocoder, or a synth with an input of some kind.

First I thought it was a synth playing. But then I noticed that you can really hear Brian's guitar playing style in the synth sound. So it must be a guitar solo played through a synth.



I'm pretty sure Brian cleared this up a while ago... he seems to be under the impression that the solo was a synth only affair.
It might be in this guitar magazine I have floating around where he was interviewed by Nuno Bettencourt;
either that, or I read it on his Soapbox. Or somewhere else.

Baaaaah! Can't remember.


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Posted: 25 Sep 08, 23:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's a synth in the solo although at some parts near the end it seems that the real guitar joins in briefly, quieter in the mix. It seems to use the same patch as the bass sound near the end of the song (of course in a much higher octave), but with something like an envelope filter (aka wah) effect to emulate a wah pedal, the bass sound is clean (as in no other effects but these in the patch). And lots of pitch wheels too. The strings sound can be replicated with almost any decent strings patch.

About the percussion: out of tune is not the same as dissonant...

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Posted: 30 Sep 08, 08:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I read that Brian recorded a normal guitar solo and the others hated it so Fred Mandel recorded a synth solo. Wether it was based on Brian's original I don't know!

My comment about the dissonent cowbell seems to have raised healthy debate - always a good thing ;-)



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Posted: 30 Sep 08, 12:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I thought it was a decision by John to NOT have another guitar solo and wanted the synth instead.


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Posted: 12 Oct 08, 21:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The links in the second post aren't working, any suggestions?



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