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Posted: 02 Oct 08, 22:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Album boasts Bad Company vox as royal replacement
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13 years. It's been 13 years since the legendary rock gods, Queen, put out an album. Now you may be thinking, "Queen? But isn't Freddie Mercury dead?" You would be correct. So how exactly do you create a new Queen album without the late great Mercury? Well, first of all, you do not attempt to replace him. Brian May and Roger Taylor simply partnered up with the notable voice behind Bad Company, Paul Rodgers.

Upon the mention of Queen's new album, many might say, "No Freddie, no Queen." While this is an understandable concern, you aren't a Queen fan if you think Freddie Mercury was the entire band. Even if you loved Mercury and thought he was the quintessential front man - Brian May and Rodger Taylor played a huge part in Queen's success as well. They could just as easily pull off a Queen reunion without him.

With that said, The Cosmos Rocks by Queen with Paul Rodgers isn't a perfect album, but is well worth the 13-year wait. Brian May's guitar playing abilities, for someone as old as he is, haven't faded in the least. This album is full of tunes that will have fans rocking out and playing air guitar while walking city streets. Songs like "Cosmos Rockin," "C-Lebrity" and "War Boys" are definitions of rock ballads. Pair up the fantastic guitar parts with Paul Rodgers' vocals and it becomes a little bit of magic.
Rodgers is no Mercury, but man, can he sing. He can belt out rock anthems and sing the sweetest of slow songs. His voice is unique - which is rare in music nowadays - and diverse. Rodgers is not replacing Mercury. Instead he brings his own feel and meshes his style seamlessly with May and Taylor's.
This album will take you up, down and all around Queentown. It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. I, for one, welcome the new Queen line-up and hope there's more music to be played by these monumental musicians.


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Posted: 02 Oct 08, 23:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was going so well until...

They could just as easily pull off a Queen reunion without him.


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Posted: 02 Oct 08, 23:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with this review.  As influential as Freddie Mercury was, he was not the very definition of Queen.  Queen were a lot of things.  And a good deal of those things carry on with Brian May and Roger Taylor.


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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 01:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The guy's obviously not a professional. He avoids cheap puns, lacks vitriol and actually makes sense.


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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 02:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What about John!!??



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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 06:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great, another reminder of what the Queen fans have become today.

While negative reviews of the Cosmos Rocks album are dismissed as ramblings of irrelevant and untalented nobodies, opinions like "Queen could just as easily reform without Freddie Mercury" are treated as the gospel.


The same people who supposedly think of Queen as four equal members are more than willing to belittle Freddie's part by saying the band is just capable of continuing without him!

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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 07:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Now you may be thinking, "Queen? But isn't Freddie Mercury dead?" You would be correct."
 
"Rodger Taylor?"

Yes, he's certainly a professional, but not as a writer.

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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 08:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pro writer or not, the man has hit the nail on the head.

Queen was 4 people, sometimes working together, but very often not, early Queen tracks are almost solo songs with added session players.

They only worked closely together on a few tracks, however the 'sound' they made when combined was very much a unique element.

This album stays true to much of what Taylor and May have done in the past Tenament Funster would look no more out of place on this album as C-lebrity does, same goes for tracks like Sail away sweet sister.

Need your loving tonight, even though not a Taylor or May track could fit in to Cosmos,  Dragon Attack also works well if you put Paul in lead vocal.

What this album doesn't have is the flambouance or Freddie, but frankly Freddie had left a lot of that behind, look at his contribution to the writing over the last few albums... play the game, don't stop me now, as older examples would also get hammered if they had arrived on Cosmos Rocks.

The thing is, if you are a true Queen fan, that mean being able to appreciate everything from Lily of the Valley to Don't Try Suicide, to Fun it. In my opionion the tracks on Cosmos fit right in.


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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 08:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sheer Brass Neck wrote:

"Now you may be thinking, "Queen? But isn't Freddie Mercury dead?" You would be correct."   "Rodger Taylor?" Yes, he's certainly a professional, but not as a writer.



At least he did claim that Queen were going on tour with Rodger Moore and the support act was The Cosmos Rock like this plonker did

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-QUEEN-CONCERT-TICKETS-NEWCASTLE-ARENA-4TH-NOVEMBER_W0QQitemZ320295444465QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320295444465&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


Heres part of what this idiot wrote in his ad -



"Grab yourself a pair of Queen/Rodger Moore tickets.  The concert details are as follows; 4th November, 8pm, Block 213, Row U, seats 306 and 307, Newcastle Telewest Arena.  Special guests include The Cosmos Rock."




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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 10:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Togg wrote:

"This album stays true to much of what Taylor and May have done in the past"



For a moment there I REALLY thought I could agree with you, but then you go and spoil it all. :P

This is album stays true to much of what May and Taylor have done in the past, but ONLY what they have done on their respective solo albums. That flamboyance you mentioned is what makes the difference between a solo track and a Queen track, and that's what the Cosmos is missing.

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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 10:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey Tero! From your extensive experience in the studio with Queen when Freddie was alive and now with Paul Rodgers, please share your wisdom from what you witnessed since you are such an authority on the subject. Who did what? I'd really like to know from you since you have a multiple posts here. Please educate the rest of us. It's amazing how many people say "where's John?". The funny thing is that people understate the importance or Roger and Brian. Now I wasn't in the studio as you were to have this great wisdom to enlighten us with, but without Brian, Queen COULD have finished their career in the 80's as a cheezy keyboard band. The anti QPR people are funny. They buy the cd's, go to the concerts and then complain about it. If the album was too Queen then Paul would be ripping off Freddie. If it's too different, Its not Queen enough.  Paul makes a tiny mistake and people jump on it and even give the time of the song when he does. Give it a rest. We're lucky that there is new life here.
Freddie was the greatest. But just remember that he was human too. He did , after all, do things like "Delilah" (a truly embarassing song that I would never play to a non Queen fan), he wrecked enough of Hot Space. If Paul did that, he's be crucified on here. I hope I don't start a debate about Delilah. C'mon people, that was simply humoring Freddie

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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 10:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Queen are: Freddie Mercury,Roger Taylor, John Deacon and Brian May"


"Queen are: Freddie Mercury,Roger Taylor, John Deacon and Brian May"
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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 10:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey Dude!

I didn't recognise myself from any of your rantings.

- I haven't claimed to know about their studio work with or without Paul
- I haven't claimed to be authority on that subject
- I don't use the number of my posts as an argument in any discussion
- I have never valued one member of Queen to be more important than another
- I haven't bought the Cosmos Rocks cd
- I have no intention of going to any of their concerts
- I have never expected this "new" band to sound like Queen of the old days
- I haven't been jumping on Paul (or Brian, or Roger) on any of the mistakes they make in concerts
- I have never claimed Freddie to be a perfect superhuman
- I have never claimed that everything Freddie did was pure gold, or that everything the others did was pure shit
- I have never attributed the artistic or commercial success to any on member of the band


In short, your post is the biggest pile of argumentative and deliberately insulting shit I have ever seen on QZ.

And some people say Treasure Moment is a troll... :/


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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just my two cents, but I think big parts of Brian Mays solo-albums sound more or less exactly like Queen with Brian singing. Freddie never managed to catch that Queen feeling on Mr Bad Guy despite having some Queen-like songs. There is something that happens when Brians guitar is added to a song that gives it that instantly recognisable sound. The same thing happens in many places on TCR despite it being a very PR sounding album, most notably on Small when the guitar solo starts. If you want to, try and imagine Bohemian Rhapsody or indeed any Queen song without the guitar or with someone else playing and there is something big lost.

We all love Freddie and the music he created, he was a truly unique musician. So dont get me wrong in any way.;)

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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 16:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Brian May + Roger Taylor = Smile.

Any Band Member(s) + Freddie = Queen.

Why don't people understand this??


Queen were not made up of four equal parts no matter what Freddie said in the past.

Freddie was at least 90% Queen because he provided the voice, and the artistry.

The other members were very good musicians and song writers, but without Freddie, they are Smile Plus.

If any member died except Freddie, the remaining Members + Freddie = Queen.

e.g. If Brian and Roger died, but Freddie and John lived on, Freddie + John = Queen.

Yes. Freddie + John + a new Guitarist + a new Drummer will still be Queen because you have the VOICE of Queen, and the Flamboyant Artistry of Queen.

This new Queen may not be as Rock Oriented and would not feature Brian May's Red Special but it would still be Queen.




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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 16:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Brian May + Roger Taylor = Smile. Any Band Member(s) + Freddie = Queen. Why don't people understand this?? Queen were not made up of four equal parts no matter what Freddie said in the past. Freddie was at least 90% Queen because he provided the voice, and the artistry. The other members were very good musicians and song writers, but without Freddie, they are Smile Plus. If any member died except Freddie, the remaining Members + Freddie = Queen. e.g. If Brian and Roger died, but Freddie and John lived on, Freddie + John = Queen. Yes. Freddie + John + a new Guitarist + a new Drummer will still be Queen because you have the VOICE of Queen, and the Flamboyant Artistry of Queen. This new Queen may not be as Rock Oriented and would not feature Brian May's Red Special but it would still be Queen.



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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 17:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have been a Queen fan since Im 10 years old, now at 43 I can say that Queen is still my favorite band. You can say Ive almost grown up with them, so Ive watched/seen changes over the years, and not always for the best, but I have always remained a loyal fan. I feel that any true fan would know by now after hearing/reading interviews with the rest of the band that Freddie wanted them to continue on without him, and I think he would be proud with this first effort and especially with Paul Rodgers. Yes, this album is not you typical Queen album, and not like the last few albums we got to experience with Freddie. In fact, I feel that the band was trying to get away from the "campy" image that had been created of them over the years by doing more guitar oriented material on the albums, especially The Miracle. I personally have always been a bigger fan of Roger Taylors & Brian Mays stuff on all the Queen albums(just my preference). Freddies was without doubt one of, if not the best, frontmen in rock music, and Im proud that I got to see him twice during my lifetime. For the longest time, probably since i was 13-15 years old, I always wanted to see Brian & Roger do some material together just to see what it would have been like back then. Remembner this was back around the time of Fat Bottemed Girls & the Jazz album. Unfortunately I got my wish at the loss of Freddie. So for me this new album is what Ive been hoping for for a very long time. Im also reminded about an article I read several years ago that quoted the band as saying if any one member left, Queen would fold. Freddie didnt leave, he was taken from us, so I feel its only right that the rest of the band members should & have continued on in his memory. Hell, they even dedicated this album to him. Also, cheers to the band fro keeping with their name & Paul Rodgers also, instead of trying to create a new name such as Paul had donr with Jimmy Page some years back known as The Firm. Nobody expects Paul to be Freddie, no more than we could expect Freddie to be Paul. I think we should all be proud as Queen fans at what the boys have done over the years to keep Freddies memory alive and for giving us a great "first effort" at least in The Cosmos Rocks.

Oh, and for anyone who has any doubts about going to see the band on their latest tour...That would be a shame! I saw them here in the USA in '05 from the 4th row, and the show, in a word, ROCKED!! Im looking forward to having the chance to see the boys again.

I await all the comments back ;)

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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 18:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kingogre wrote: Just my two cents, but I think big parts of Brian Mays solo-albums sound more or less exactly like Queen with Brian singing. Freddie never managed to catch that Queen feeling on Mr Bad Guy despite having some Queen-like songs. There is something that happens when Brians guitar is added to a song that gives it that instantly recognisable sound.

People in bands don't generally release solo albums that sound exactly like the band theyre from.... it sort of defeats the purpose (waits for some smart arse to tell the story of Freddie asking the session guitarist to play like Brian...). People seem to forget that Mr Bad Guy was released in 1985, and he was trying to tap in to the current market (waits for some smart arse to state that this failed). Why would he have been trying to catch "that Queen feeling" on a record that wasn't Queen?! I have little doubt he's have been more than capable of making a Queen sounding album on his own if that has been his aim.... but this was obviously never his aim.

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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 19:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie was 25% of Queen...fact

For many years...and I have folowed Queen from circa 1972/73 I always argued that Freddie was not THE major influence on the band...right up until his sad passing away

If you ever needed proof that he was THE major influence..it's this new album.

Paul rodgers is an amazing artist.

I rate him as the best rock vocalist in the world.

His vocals on Cosmos Rocks are faultless...ok

But NOBODY will tell me this is a QUEEN album...

There are a few excellent tracks and the album is enjoyable....but the spark of creativity, panache and style died with Freddie......We Believe would have been a Queen classic with Freddie's vocal, production techniques and personal touch....but with Paul (great vocal) sounds like a man trying to make US beleive me means what he is singing...

BIG mistake was selling this as a QUEEN album....to be honest its a different animal altogether...

SOrry guys..Paul Rodgers is amazing...but while the records are made under the Queen banner...he will always be a poor second best.where is the humour, the flamboyance, the production wizardry and the Queen special ingrediant that made you listen to an album and go "WOW" ?



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Posted: 03 Oct 08, 21:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Was Sour Milk Sea superior to Smile? SWL thinks so, I bet.