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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 11:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yesterday while watching some documentary about guitars there was the obvious Hendrix/Star Spangled footage... then suddenly I thought well... Hendrix, the obvious influence of 9/10 guitarists of these days...

Anyway, what's the story behind it? It's a tribute, a parody, a satire, a copy of Hendrix?...


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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 11:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just shows you there aren't any good guitarists from Canada.

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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 13:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Micrówave wrote:

Just shows you there aren't any good guitarists from Canada.



Why the shot at Canada(or Canadian guitarists)? 

To the OP I don't know why but it doesn't take a hell of a lot of imagination to see why they would do GSTQ.


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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 15:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is tradition that after an opera or theatre production the national anthem is played (it certainly WAS the tradition, not sure if it is now because I have never been to an opera or theatre production). As GSTQ is on ANATO which is supposed to flow like a play or opera...well, figure out the rest.


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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



 



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Just shows you there aren't any good guitarists from Canada.


You ass. Americans aren't hardly any better, what with the current crap you guys are shoving down are throats.

I dare you to listen to my band's material and tell me that again straight to my face. Same to Sir GH too, actually - and I've heard him improvise somewhat obscure Queen material on the guitar *in person*, and DAMN is he ever a fine guitar player!

That's just disrespectful and very uncalled for.

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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



mooghead wrote:

It is tradition that after an opera or theatre production the national anthem is played (it certainly WAS the tradition, not sure if it is now because I have never been to an opera or theatre production). As GSTQ is on ANATO which is supposed to flow like a play or opera...well, figure out the rest.


Wrong, as GSTQ was used since late 1974 - over a year before ANATO was released. As far as I know the crowd used to sing GSTQ after the gigs, prompting the band to record their own version.






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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 15:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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mooghead wrote:



It is tradition that after an opera or theatre production the national anthem is played (it certainly WAS the tradition, not sure if it is now because I have never been to an opera or theatre production). As GSTQ is on ANATO which is supposed to flow like a play or opera...well, figure out the rest.



Wrong, as GSTQ was used since late 1974 - over a year before ANATO was released. As far as I know the crowd used to sing GSTQ after the gigs, prompting the band to record their own version.

Quite correct. Apparently it is on the same master reel as "Procession".

You can actually search for the segment from "Classic Albums - Making of A Night At The Opera" on GSTQ on YouTube, I'm very sure. It's interesting how Brian demo'd it.

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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 16:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Pim Derks wrote:







mooghead wrote:



It is tradition that after an opera or theatre production the national anthem is played (it certainly WAS the tradition, not sure if it is now because I have never been to an opera or theatre production). As GSTQ is on ANATO which is supposed to flow like a play or opera...well, figure out the rest.



Wrong, as GSTQ was used since late 1974 - over a year before ANATO was released.


Yes, but for some reason they didn't include it on 'II' or 'SHA'. It made a better combination with 'Opera' (like 'Champions' as part of 'News').

And btw, Hendrix also played GSTQ.



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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 16:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Neil Young's from Canada, and he's awesome!

That said, I believe Micrówave was joking, people.



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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 17:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Pim Derks wrote:







mooghead wrote:



It is tradition that after an opera or theatre production the national anthem is played (it certainly WAS the tradition, not sure if it is now because I have never been to an opera or theatre production). As GSTQ is on ANATO which is supposed to flow like a play or opera...well, figure out the rest.



Wrong, as GSTQ was used since late 1974 - over a year before ANATO was released. As far as I know the crowd used to sing GSTQ after the gigs, prompting the band to record their own version.






Mong, the crowd had sang it after gigs as it was tradition to do so. I have no doubt that GSTQ would have been the closer on ANATO regardless.






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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 17:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

microwave is always joking...maybe by lack of effort or knowledge ?...héhéhé...

there are great guitarist everywhere...it's the demand of style that shruggs away from real  guitar performers/hero.

luckaly there are still some left out there...but they are for most from a pass era it seems.





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Posted: 24 Oct 08, 21:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:







Pim Derks wrote:



















mooghead wrote:







It is tradition that after an opera or theatre production the national anthem is played (it certainly WAS the tradition, not sure if it is now because I have never been to an opera or theatre production). As GSTQ is on ANATO which is supposed to flow like a play or opera...well, figure out the rest.







Wrong, as GSTQ was used since late 1974 - over a year before ANATO was released.


Yes, but for some reason they didn't include it on 'II' or 'SHA'. It made a better combination with 'Opera' (like 'Champions' as part of 'News').

And btw, Hendrix also played GSTQ.


Makes sense, letting it appear just in ANATO.





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Posted: 25 Oct 08, 11:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

When I saw Brian on Buck roof (on the telly) my FIRST thought was of Hendrix and Woodstock.
Obviously not done in the same vain, one was a swipe at th US government in relation to Ilegal War in Vietnam, the other a 'nod' to the establishment here in the UK.
  But I'm sure Brian had Jimi on his mind, and this was probably a 'great' moment for him  in his career.
  Interesting to note, however, almost ALL the royals present were OBVIOUSLY not enjoying it, even Wills and Harry. Leads me to think there may NEVER be a SIR Brian May. Of course there will never be a SIR Roger ( of the meddows) Taylor for many reasons, but I would like to see Bri knighted.


Throw it in the lake, dear
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Posted: 26 Oct 08, 00:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Brian recorded "God Save The Queen" on October 27th, 1974. Mike Stone was the chief sound engineer. For reasons known only to Stone, yes, the "Procession" master tape was used. I can only guess because maybe they were still in the mindset of saving tape where possible. "Procession" is only a minute and a bit long, so maybe they thought they could squeeze another minute-plus long track on it.

Anyway, October 27th is a significant date. "Sheer Heart Attack" was finished in September and rehearsals began for the tour. On October 30th, the SHA Tour started, three days after "God Save The Queen" was put to tape.

Brian said on the Classic Albums episode that he'd been thinking of the arrangement for a while. Once recorded, it was used, as we know, for the "bows" at the end of most Queen concerts ever since (I've read that it wasn't used in Ireland concerts).

"God Save The Queen" was used as a B-side in the US on the re-issue of "Keep Yourself Alive (US Edit)," released in July of 1975. This version of "God Save The Queen" was not the same as appeared on the album. The single version doesn't fade in, the drums (of which there are two layers) start at full volume, which addes two seconds to the running time. The other B-side, on the same single, was "Lily Of The Valley," which is also unique, as it starts with the piano without the end of "Flick Of The Wrist" underneath it. This 7" is the only place to get these two B-side versions.

Worth noting, this single was issued before the "A Night At The Opera" album sessions were begun in August of 1975. At the time, "God Save The Queen" on this single would have been the newest Queen track released.



Lastly, I have a feeling putting it on the end of "Opera" was something of an afterthought. Brian said at one time there was no song recorded for "Opera" fitting enough to place on the album after a song as epic as "Bohemian Rhapsody." "God Save The Queen" was available and the only thing so fitting to close off the album, so they used it. Someone (I suspect Brian) re-mixed it, making it fade in, and it thereby went on the album.



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Posted: 26 Oct 08, 07:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great info, thanks. Can you cite your sources please?



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Posted: 26 Oct 08, 14:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sources:

Oct. 27th, 1974 recording date: Brian's Soapbox entries dating from July 1st, 2nd and 3rd, 2005, where he discusses finding the master tape (dated by Mike Stone) and using it to finally do a proper 5.1 surround mix for the 30th DVD of "A Night At The Opera."

Oct. 30th, 1974 SHA Tour start date: This isn't a secret. It's cited on numerous websites (Queen Concerts.com; www.queenconcerts.com among them).

Why it was recorded: Brian discusses this on the Classic Albums episode on "A Night At The Opera."

The first appearance on the 1975 US "KYA" re-issue 7": I own this single, so I know what's on it. It's existence is not a mystery (see Queen Vault.com; www.queenvault.com among other sites). It's release date is cited on Queen Collector.com (http://www.queencollector.com/Discograhy/queendisc.html)

ANATO album sessions: Again, this is common knowledge that the album was recorded between August and November of 1975. If you need to read it, it's discussed in any number of books, interviews and websites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_at_the_Opera_(Queen_album) )

It's position on the album: Part of this, as I admit in the original entry, is speculation. I heard Brian say something to the effect that nothing could follow "Rhapsody" because it was so epic a track, so they used "God Save The Queen." I either read it on his Soapbox or he said it in an interview (It might have been DVD commentary for the 30th Ann. "Opera" release). I'll have to recheck this to find the source.

All in all, my original entry comes from research and putting pieces together from different sources to see what they show us. 

Lastly, October 27th, 1974 was a Sunday.

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Posted: 26 Oct 08, 20:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And it's tomorrow!


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Posted: 26 Oct 08, 22:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks again. That's great. Do you happen to know what does ER stand for in the producer's name?



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Posted: 27 Oct 08, 01:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:

Thanks again. That's great. Do you happen to know what does ER stand for in the producer's name? I believe it stands for Elizabeth Royal in other words Queen Elizabeth ll .









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Posted: 27 Oct 08, 05:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, you see there was this Queen. And apparently she needed saving. So who better to do it but the big man upstairs.
(Notice the forbidden use of starting a sentence with the word And. God i am such a rebel!)