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Posted: 14 Nov 08, 13:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I went through this last year - my 13 year old asked for a guitar for Christmas. Last year I said no thinking it was a passing fad. However, she's stuck with piano (going on five years now) and a year on still talks about playing drums and guitar. We don't have room for drums and in my tiny attached home, I'm guessing my neighbors wouldn't much appreciate the gift. So...

What questions do I ask when I shop for a guitar?
What type should I lean toward?
What type should I stay away from?
What else can you tell me that will help in my search for the just-right ($$$) one?



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Posted: 14 Nov 08, 14:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd go to some music shops and try out a few budget electric and acoustic/electro-acoustic guitars, see what she likes the feel of and if her hands are big enough!

If she wants an electric, then get an electric (best advice my parents had).

The Fender Squire packages are pretty good for starting out on and Yamaha Pacifica's are highly rated.

When you go shopping, always be hesitant to go ahead and buy. See how much you can get thrown in to a deal (practice amp, leads, strap, stand, picks, books etc).

Go to a music store aswell, don't buy from a catalog. That way you can try the guitar and make sure your happy with it.


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Posted: 14 Nov 08, 15:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you for all of that! I hadn't thought about having her 'fitted' to the guitar. I thought I could buy it then keep it out of sight until Christmas morning. What you said makes sense though. Thanks again.
 



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Posted: 14 Nov 08, 15:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wanna get a guitar that's great and COOL as well?

Check out the Avril Lavigne (SP?) Squier Telecaster.  The Squier is a great starter guitar and won't break the bank if she decides to play drums next year.  Plus it's got that extra Tele bite... you may find yourself tinkering with this from time to time.  I do not own a real Telecaster (item #28 on my list), so this is kinda fun for me as well!

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-FEN-301010-506

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Posted: 14 Nov 08, 15:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I provided that link for reference, I must agree with David Jones...  go to a music store if you can find one that can get this guitar.  Squiers are all the same size, so you don't have to worry about differences there.  You get a cheaper price on line, but much better service at the time of purchase and in the future.

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I provided that link for reference, I must agree with David Jones...  go to a music store if you can find one that can get this guitar.  Squiers are all the same size, so you don't have to worry about differences there.  You get a cheaper price on line, but much better service at the time of purchase and in the future.


When I read your first post, I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic. Hmm. Wonder what made me question that. :-)

Thank you for the info. I went to the site you posted and read the two reviews. I don't know what one comment means or if it really matters... maybe you can explain? It reads - "The one, and only one negative about this guitar is that there is no tone knob. It definitely needs one for leads as the humbucker is much more twangy and crisp than you would think."




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Posted: 16 Nov 08, 06:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just bear in mind that Stratocasters (and Telecasters for that matter) have a very distinctive sound that not everyone likes. If your daughter is into, for instance, reggae, classic rock, hard rock and the likes, I couldn't recommend a strat (go for the Dean Vendetta instead, if you can get it. It's about the same price as a Fender Squier, and actually much better built (more sustain)).



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Posted: 17 Nov 08, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



magicalfreddiemercury wrote:



 



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I provided that link for reference, I must agree with David Jones...  go to a music store if you can find one that can get this guitar.  Squiers are all the same size, so you don't have to worry about differences there.  You get a cheaper price on line, but much better service at the time of purchase and in the future.



When I read your first post, I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic. Hmm. Wonder what made me question that. :-)

Thank you for the info. I went to the site you posted and read the two reviews. I don't know what one comment means or if it really matters... maybe you can explain? It reads - "The one, and only one negative about this guitar is that there is no tone knob. It definitely needs one for leads as the humbucker is much more twangy and crisp than you would think."


The Squier Tele doesn't need a tone knob.  It is twangy and crisp... it's a humbucker.  If you're getting to the point where you have to adjust your tone, beyond using the selector switch, then you are ready to move onto a pro guitar.  I did not find it too twangy for leads, but then I don't have overdrive, distortion, flange, phaser, and fifteen other pedals plugged in at once either. 

It is a starter guitar.  A great lead player is going to go out there with a Squier.

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Micrówave wrote:
The Squier Tele doesn't need a tone knob.  It is twangy and crisp... it's a humbucker.  If you're getting to the point where you have to adjust your tone, beyond using the selector switch, then you are ready to move onto a pro guitar.  I did not find it too twangy for leads, but then I don't have overdrive, distortion, flange, phaser, and fifteen other pedals plugged in at once either. 

It is a starter guitar.  A great lead player is going to go out there with a Squier.


Very cool, thanks so much! Now all I have to do is scrape some more pennies together and I'm good to go. [img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif][/img] She's going to be thrilled.





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Posted: 17 Nov 08, 12:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



magicalfreddiemercury wrote:







Micrówave wrote:



I provided that link for reference, I must agree with David Jones...  go to a music store if you can find one that can get this guitar.  Squiers are all the same size, so you don't have to worry about differences there.  You get a cheaper price on line, but much better service at the time of purchase and in the future.



When I read your first post, I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic. Hmm. Wonder what made me question that. :-)

Thank you for the info. I went to the site you posted and read the two reviews. I don't know what one comment means or if it really matters... maybe you can explain? It reads - "The one, and only one negative about this guitar is that there is no tone knob. It definitely needs one for leads as the humbucker is much more twangy and crisp than you would think."


Hi hope this helps. The tone knob alters the pitch, and a humbucker is essentially two pick ups joined together, info provided by my son, he plays lead guitar in a band, so knows his stuff! He would also recommend as a starter guitar the Peavey Raptor package. This is the instrument he started out on, and is as good as anything. Priced at around £120 - £160, you get, a guitar, guitar case, practice amp, stand and an instruction manual.

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Posted: 17 Nov 08, 13:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I had a (K)Raptor.  Made in vietnam.  Not attacking the above poster^, just warning anybody who thinks about buying the Raptor model guitar.

Review from Harmony-Central. 
Looks a bit Stratty but that as near as you get.  The ply wood body is totaly dead. volume and tone control make more noise than the strings If you can get one for #40.00 then the price is about right
otherwise put a few more on a Squire Strat there better value.

Another Review from Harmony-Central.
It is the first guitar I owned and will be the first one to be smashed on stage. Stay in tune...ha thats funny. Dont think about using the whammy bar, big mistake. Can not keep this guitar in tune for an entire song. Sounds good for blues anything else dont think about it.


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Micrówave wrote:

I had a (K)Raptor.  Made in vietnam.  Not attacking the above poster^, just warning anybody who thinks about buying the Raptor model guitar.

Review from Harmony-Central. 
Looks a bit Stratty but that as near as you get.  The ply wood body is totaly dead. volume and tone control make more noise than the strings If you can get one for #40.00 then the price is about right
otherwise put a few more on a Squire Strat there better value.

Another Review from Harmony-Central.
It is the first guitar I owned and will be the first one to be smashed on stage. Stay in tune...ha thats funny. Dont think about using the whammy bar, big mistake. Can not keep this guitar in tune for an entire song. Sounds good for blues anything else dont think about it.

Hi, showed your comments to my son, and he would not disagree, IF it was his principal or main instrument, as its failings in this regard come to the fore, however as a first guitar, it did everything it needed, to get him on his way as he was learning. As his guitar tutor once told him, until he was competent, commited and playing lead solos or the like, the Raptor was excellent value, and an ideal first instrument.






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Posted: 17 Nov 08, 14:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I also started on, and still have, a Peavey Raptor. The one shaped like a Strat, not the later slightly sqaushed one which came part of a deal.

I didn't think that Peavey still made guitars, I thought they stopped and focused just on amps.

Never played it live but around the house its been a great guitar. No problems with tuning to report.


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There is,ofcourse,another side to this problem.

There has been a lot of really good sound advice being passed around about electric guitars.But what if she wants an acoustic guitar.Also,the thing about learning to play the guitar is that it is not like learning to play the piano.That sounds like a stupid thing to say,but what i mean is that unlike when you're learning to play the piano,you get blisters from playing the guitar.This often puts a lot of people off learning the guitar.This problem can be sorted.You see,the reason why you get blisters is because you have to press the strings down in order to get the notes.The higher the "action",the more painful it will be.Now the action is the space between the top of the fretboard and the bottom of the string.If the action is high then the more you have to press down to get the note.This is the case on all guitars.

Now on acoustic guitars,i find that Yamaha make decent acoustic guitars which are cheap but certainly not nasty.In general i find them to be good guitars for a beginner to be learning on as they have quite a low action on them.Therefore encouraging the learner to take up the guitar.


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Posted: 17 Nov 08, 19:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



 



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Now on acoustic guitars,i find that Yamaha make decent acoustic guitars which are cheap but certainly not nasty.In general i find them to be good guitars for a beginner to be learning on as they have quite a low action on them.Therefore encouraging the learner to take up the guitar.  

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I know this is excellent information and advice, and I appreciate it very much. But now I'm way beyond confused. :-(









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Posted: 18 Nov 08, 00:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

send her my way.....................................................


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Posted: 18 Nov 08, 06:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Micrówave wrote:







magicalfreddiemercury wrote:











 







Micrówave wrote:







I provided that link for reference, I must agree with David Jones...  go to a music store if you can find one that can get this guitar.  Squiers are all the same size, so you don't have to worry about differences there.  You get a cheaper price on line, but much better service at the time of purchase and in the future.







When I read your first post, I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic. Hmm. Wonder what made me question that. :-)

Thank you for the info. I went to the site you posted and read the two reviews. I don't know what one comment means or if it really matters... maybe you can explain? It reads - "The one, and only one negative about this guitar is that there is no tone knob. It definitely needs one for leads as the humbucker is much more twangy and crisp than you would think."


The Squier Tele doesn't need a tone knob.  It is twangy and crisp... it's a humbucker.  If you're getting to the point where you have to adjust your tone, beyond using the selector switch, then you are ready to move onto a pro guitar.  I did not find it too twangy for leads, but then I don't have overdrive, distortion, flange, phaser, and fifteen other pedals plugged in at once either. 

It is a starter guitar.  A great lead player is going to go out there with a Squier.
Now that's just plain bullshit. Tone-knobs are there for a reason. A guitar sounds different with ever single amplifier you use it with; if your sound is drowning in mid-range frequencies, you turn on the tone-knob. If it's too harsh, you turn it down.

"If you're getting to the point where you have to adjust your tone,
beyond using the selector switch, then you are ready to move onto a pro
guitar"

Absolutely not. You're ready for a pro guitar when the techniques you start using outgrow your guitar (for instance, most cheaper guitars don't respond well to bending, and depending on the quality of the frets, harmonics may not sound great). Tone has nothing to do with it: the sooner you start considering tone, the better. It's one third of the totality of music (the other two being rhythm and pitch).

"A great lead player is going to go out there with a Squier."

Now that's just a matter of opinion. If you play rockabilly, sure. If you play metal, not a chance. Every guitarist needs to find the guitar (and amp) to go with their own playing and preferred sound. Most guitars that are well constructed are quite suitable for learning to play, but the closer the sound is to what the guitarist in question needs, the longer it'll take before he/she outgrows his/her first guitar.





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Posted: 18 Nov 08, 07:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



 



ThomasQuinn wrote: 
"Now that's just a matter of opinion. If you play rockabilly, sure. If you play metal, not a chance. Every guitarist needs to find the guitar (and amp) to go with their own playing and preferred sound. Most guitars that are well constructed are quite suitable for learning to play, but the closer the sound is to what the guitarist in question needs, the longer it'll take before he/she outgrows his/her first guitar."

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Think "Renegade" by Styx. She wants to play the guitar solo in that.She talks about it all the time. I'm guessing that's the 'sound' she wants.





 




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Posted: 18 Nov 08, 17:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What's the consensus on this -  

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The guitar seems ok, but just so you know about the items that come with it.  Guitar packages are designed for parents who think this is all they'll need to buy their spoiled little one.  Only then, have they sunken their claws into you...

Includes:
Amplifier - Will be suitable for a bedroom, but any other use (rehearsal, live, etc.) would require a larger amp
I say that because you'll be getting a 20 pound paper weight.  If you were to buy a small combo amp, it would be quite flexable and give years of use.  Plus you'd get much better re-sale value if you were looking to upgrade.  No, you can't Mic a 5 Watt amp and sound good.

Guitar Stand - Suitable, but easily knocked over.  I would suggest a wall mount.  $10

Instructional DVD - worthless, get lessons.  Might teach you to re-string and play a couple of chords, but so can my Aunt Rose.

Cable - cheap, you'll be replacing it soon...
They say an instrument is only as good as the cable that's plugged into it.  Worth an extra $10-15 to buy a good premium cable.  Most have lifetime warranties.

Electronic Tuner - Cheap, you'll be replacing it soon...
Again, you're going to get a bottom of the barrel Quik Tune.  It's not backlit, only tunes a certain way, doesn't offer special settings, eats 9V batteries, etc.

Gig Bag - Gonna be a while until you really need one of these.  Unless you plan on just carrying it around just because you have a guitar.   Again, if re-sale is a possibility, a hard shell case is better.  Even for a $200 guitar.  Gator (brand) makes a pretty decent one for $50, Squier's is around $60.  I'd get the matching case.

Guitar Strap - Cheap and (ahem?) unstylish.  Trust me.  I gave my 13 year old daughter the standard black strap and she just looked at me and asked if I was "for real".  Now she has a checkerboard one, one with cherries on it, and a purple lightning bolt one.  They're like shoes with girls.

Pick Sampler - If I knew your address, I'd send you 5 different picks.  (No, I don't want your address, I'm just saying that)  Most music stores have picks with their logos on them for free.  Come to a PT show here in Dallas and I'll give you picks AND a free T-Shirt.  And again, these are like jewelry for girls.  They have to look good, too.