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Posted: 27 Nov 08, 20:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always wondered that. Though it sounds to me like traditional spanish piece, i read somewhere that it was Freddie's idea. What is correct?


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Posted: 28 Nov 08, 07:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Spanish piece?..just because of the spanish guitars?.Not at all..that is Queen idea...

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Posted: 28 Nov 08, 07:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well Steve Howe fromYes played it so he may well have been part of the creative process


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Posted: 28 Nov 08, 08:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The main solo (1-1-1-1-2-3-2-4-3-2-1 transposed in a i > VII > VI > V) is completely Freddie-esque: he always tended to shift hooks in different positions (e.g. Bo Rhap's piano hand-crossing lick, Master-Stroke bass-riff), and the Andalusian cadence'd been used frequently in his own songs (e.g. Liar, Fallen Priest).

Now, the flamenco ornaments could've been Steve's idea, or a teamwork.

The 'traditional' flavour is merely a consequence of the i > VII > VI > V cliché, which is very common in all sorts of music. Non-Queen pieces using the same progression include the fifth movement of Bach's partita for violin, Good Vibrations, The Ketchup Song, Misirlou, etc.



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Posted: 28 Nov 08, 11:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:

The main solo (1-1-1-1-2-3-2-4-3-2-1 transposed in a i > VII > VI > V) is completely Freddie-esque: he always tended to shift hooks in different positions (e.g. Bo Rhap's piano hand-crossing lick, Master-Stroke bass-riff), and the Andalusian cadence'd been used frequently in his own songs (e.g. Liar, Fallen Priest).

Now, the flamenco ornaments could've been Steve's idea, or a teamwork.

The 'traditional' flavour is merely a consequence of the i > VII > VI > V cliché, which is very common in all sorts of music. Non-Queen pieces using the same progression include the fifth movement of Bach's partita for violin, Good Vibrations, The Ketchup Song, Misirlou, etc.


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Posted: 28 Nov 08, 14:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

HTH:

http://queenforum.parlophone.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5008&p=154896&hilit=howe#p154896

Steve Howe (1999): "They played me Innuendo and I go, yeah, heavy metal flamingo! And then Brian says, 'Look, I'd like you play on this,' and I said you're joking, it sounds great, leave it like it is, and he said, 'No no no, I want you to play on it, I want to you to play really fast, I want you to run around the guitar a lot.'"


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Posted: 28 Nov 08, 18:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:

The main solo (1-1-1-1-2-3-2-4-3-2-1 transposed in a i > VII > VI > V) is completely Freddie-esque: he always tended to shift hooks in different positions (e.g. Bo Rhap's piano hand-crossing lick, Master-Stroke bass-riff), and the Andalusian cadence'd been used frequently in his own songs (e.g. Liar, Fallen Priest).

Now, the flamenco ornaments could've been Steve's idea, or a teamwork.

The 'traditional' flavour is merely a consequence of the i > VII > VI > V cliché, which is very common in all sorts of music. Non-Queen pieces using the same progression include the fifth movement of Bach's partita for violin, Good Vibrations, The Ketchup Song, Misirlou, etc.

Sebastian, your analisys (escuse me for my poor use of English) are great. I remember reading in your site that this Innuendo part was similar to Good old fashioned lover boy too. Isn't it??  








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Posted: 28 Nov 08, 22:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, I meant the (electric guitar) riff, the one that appears before the verses. The melody follows a similar pattern to 'I can dim the light and sing you songs'. As soon as I can, I'll add sheet music to my website. Someday one day...


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Posted: 01 Dec 08, 00:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I remember reading that steve howe said the whole middle section was already written by freddie when he first heard the piece, and That's all steve had to do was play it.  Also brian could have played it, but he thought steve howe would probably do a better Job.

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Posted: 01 Dec 08, 14:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:

No, I meant the (electric guitar) riff, the one that appears before the verses. The melody follows a similar pattern to 'I can dim the light and sing you songs'. As soon as I can, I'll add sheet music to my website. Someday one day...

It's perhaps even more obvious in the little acoustic interlude before "Through the sorrow, all through our splendour".







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Posted: 03 Dec 08, 11:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Btw, the song hasn't got any Spanish guitar.



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Posted: 03 Dec 08, 18:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Steve's guitar was NOT made in Spain.  Confirmed.

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Posted: 04 Dec 08, 10:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It wasn't Steve's guitar. It was Brian's guitar, played by Steve.



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Posted: 04 Dec 08, 11:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That surprises me, considering that Steve has a much more extensive collection...

I would think Steve would have said something like "Hang on a minute, let me go get a Spanish Guitar"

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Posted: 05 Dec 08, 05:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

IIRC, Steve was just visiting at Mountain Studios, where they were recording, and got invited for a listen.

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Posted: 18 Dec 08, 17:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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