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cmsdrums, when your opening premise - "all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors" - is wrong and misleading, all you do is propagate the bad feeling, maybe deliberately, maybe not, and further blur the facts of the matter.   Your example is not hugely significant, yes I realise that, but it completely representative of the situation, too often, here.
All it required was something like "all along Greg has said that the singles box set was MOSTLY aimed at the fans/collectors"  and that would have been fair and non provocative. 
"Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors"  and this is completely and deliberately provoking and misleading too. I'm not saying or "seeming" to say any such thing. I'm always emphatic in what I say, as you well know.

"I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me."   Yes, cms, you're reading it wrong.... or reading it right but just reporting it wrong for some reason!!! You're not alone in that.
It sounds to me like you're blatantly wanting to say the most popular thing so that your QZ fellows can jump all over it and agree with you, and you're then feel like you're IN with the crowd, as opposed to swimming against them and QZ popular opinion. Having an unpopular view to which some here might well respond badly, by casting cutting comments your way, would never do. We all know someone else like that on QZ, don't we!!!  
Re-read your comment, cms, you'll surely see that it reads like nothing more than an invitation for everyone to jump in and agree with you, to make you feel special or some such silly thing.  You're not making any significant point, but merely looking for a wave of validation from your piers. This phenomenon runs the entire length of QZ (certain insecure persons on it) like spearmint flavour runs through a seaside stick of rock. 
Maybe try swimming AGAINST the tide of QZ opinion sometimes. Not EVERY time, of course not. But SOME of the time be strong and big enough to do so. I find it liberating.  You could even be seen sometimes to agree with the Archivist on the points he makes with which you do secretly concur.  Imagine that!  Imagine you going against the flow, just occasionally!!!!  Not a popular path to take, true. It's not gonna earn you QZ friends, also true. It's easier to go with the flow, of course it is. It's a bit like being at school where most of the people turn an uncomfortable blind eye when the unpopular kid gets picked on, rather than jumping in and stopping it. That would take balls. It's easier NOT to step in, and hard to make a stand (against the flow) - for some of you weaker-minded/spirited monkeys. Our chum Sebelius, like you, also finds it hard (impossible, actually) to be on the 'wrong side' of the GB Vs QZ fence, but that's what you come to expect from certain characters.  cms... have a wee think about this.
If it ISN'T a case of that, ok, but you can surely see how it seems that way to me and others!?
Now then... don't be quoting me about the Bullying thing (in the large paragraph above). Holly2003 has a thing about bullying (and was just about to jump on that again, little tinker that she is) - maybe for good reasons that are none of my business. I'm not remotely belittling bullying, before some jerk tries to suggest that.  Don't confuse that with the real issue under scrutiny here.  I don't feel 'bullied'. I don't care enough to ever take QZ feeling that way, as you well know. I'm merely saying in that analogy that some of you QZ-ers are on a parr with those who turn a blind eye rather than expressing ALL of your real thinking, against popular opinion here, and bugger the consequences.  
I'm less popular than a pork pie at a Jewish wedding banquet on this site... I have no illusions about that - but I'm not a "Yes, I agree with everything you say, just to remain popular" man. At the very least I express my true opinion, popular or not. Shame on you if you're among the many who wont go against the tide. How feeble and weak and unimpressive is that!!!!!!!!!!!???????
Say whatever you say with some balls for a change.  



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cmsdrums wrote:


Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street.  Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.

I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.




It's nearly Monday... and I'll leave you in peace then.  There is much to do next week on the final photography for the I WANT IT ALL! memorabilia book.  But I will respond to this first.  You know you love it and I have some to kill before The Railway Children's on TV.............


NO NO NO.  You see, cmsdrums.... IMMEDIATELY in your very first sentence you have it wrong.
You offer a short message but even then get the main and principal point WRONG.
"along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors"
No. I said that since the box features tracks that all 'die hard' fans already have (several times over) that it's the 'masses' to whom it will appeal MOST.  
I have written MUCH on this subject, so please do not pick out one tiny sentence out of context, from all that stuff.  Most of everyone else here I'm sure must now know exactly my feelings on this box.  I couldn't have made it clearer: that I see this as a product for the masses, mainly, but not exclusively.  Gary Taylor and I did certain things knowing FULL well it would appeal to the long term fans, while the masses wouldn't even be aware of those subtle details.... Hungarian, French, Mexican rare sleeves, etc, and further evident on boxes 2, 3 and 4. This boxed set (1 of 4) offers nothing that you and me don't already have, but it offers MUCH that Mrs Brown on the street doesn't have... all her favourite Queen singles, up to 1979, plus many she only vaguely remembers but will recall when she hears them again, plus some unusual sleeves that she'll never have seen (that MIGHT be an extra appeal, or not), and all in a dinky box that doesn't occupy much space. Not £70 or £50. But £39 or £35.  Bargain!
It certainly IS aimed mainly at the masses, as I call them, for sure, as I have explained endlessly, but not exclusively. The rare sleeves aspect was mainly for the real fans, because people have always said to me, "Please give us some rare sleeves that we don't have in our collections - too expensive and rare to get now - rather than the UK EMI sleeves again." So that's what we did. OF COURSE the band and EMI want the fans, collectors, die-hards (YOU AND ME cms) to buy it too.  Jesus, that's surely obvious. Not to you evidently!!   And... I have in my QUEEN FRIENDS inbox between 30 and 40 mails from fans who HAVE purchased it and they're not Mrs Brown/General public purchasers.
"aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street."  If this were true, if it were ONLY pitched at them, the box wouldn't have been made available on the Queen FAN web sites (where I think it's actually selling the most, by the by). It's being offered on FAN SITES because that is, of course, precisely where fans like you and me look first.  The competitions to win a free copy of the box are offered on those sites - with questions pitched at REAL fans - in order that REAL fans also buy it. Isn't this obvious too???   You see, chum cms, you need to think just a bit before you open the old goblet and invite people to agree with you lemming-like, without thinking it thru first.




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cmsdrums wrote:



Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street.  Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.



I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.










It's nearly Monday... and I'll leave you in peace then.  There is much to do next week on the final photography for the I WANT IT ALL! memorabilia book.  But I will respond to this first.  You know you love it and I have some to kill before The Railway Children's on TV.............









NO NO NO.  You see, cmsdrums.... IMMEDIATELY in your very first sentence you have it wrong.
You offer a short message but even then get the main and principal point WRONG.



"along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors"




No. I said that since the box features tracks that all 'die hard' fans already have (several times over) that it's the 'masses' to whom it will appeal MOST.  



I have written MUCH on this subject, so please do not pick out one tiny sentence out of context, from all that stuff.  Most of everyone else here I'm sure must now know exactly my feelings on this box.  I couldn't have made it clearer: that I see this as a product for the masses, mainly, but not exclusively.  Gary Taylor and I did certain things knowing FULL well it would appeal to the long term fans, while the masses wouldn't even be aware of those subtle details.... Hungarian, French, Mexican rare sleeves, etc, and further evident on boxes 2, 3 and 4. This boxed set (1 of 4) offers nothing that you and me don't already have, but it offers MUCH that Mrs Brown on the street doesn't have... all her favourite Queen singles, up to 1979, plus many she only vaguely remembers but will recall when she hears them again, plus some unusual sleeves that she'll never have seen (that MIGHT be an extra appeal, or not), and all in a dinky box that doesn't occupy much space. Not £70 or £50. But £39 or £35.  Bargain!







It certainly IS aimed mainly at the masses, as I call them, for sure, as I have explained endlessly, but not exclusively. The rare sleeves aspect was mainly for the real fans, because people have always said to me, "Please give us some rare sleeves that we don't have in our collections - too expensive and rare to get now - rather than the UK EMI sleeves again." So that's what we did. OF COURSE the band and EMI want the fans, collectors, die-hards (YOU AND ME cms) to buy it too.  Jesus, that's surely obvious. Not to you evidently!!   And... I have in my QUEEN FRIENDS inbox between 30 and 40 mails from fans who HAVE purchased it and they're not Mrs Brown/General public purchasers.



"aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street."  If this were true, if it were ONLY pitched at them, the box wouldn't have been made available on the Queen FAN web sites (where I think it's actually selling the most, by the by). It's being offered on FAN SITES because that is, of course, precisely where fans like you and me look first.  The competitions to win a free copy of the box are offered on those sites - with questions pitched at REAL fans - in order that REAL fans also buy it. Isn't this obvious too???   You see, chum cms, you need to think just a bit before you open the old goblet and invite people to agree with you lemming-like, without thinking it thru first.












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cmsdrums wrote:



Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street.  Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.



I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.










It's nearly Monday... and I'll leave you in peace then.  There is much to do next week on the final photography for the I WANT IT ALL! memorabilia book.  But I will respond to this first.  You know you love it and I have some to kill before The Railway Children's on TV.............    






NO NO NO.  You see, cmsdrums.... IMMEDIATELY in your very first sentence you have it wrong.



    
You offer a short message but even then get the main and principal point WRONG.



    
"along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors"



     
No. I said that since the box features tracks that all 'die hard' fans already have (several times over) that it's the 'masses' to whom it will appeal MOST.  



     
I have written MUCH on this subject, so please do not pick out one tiny sentence out of context, from all that stuff.  Most of everyone else here I'm sure must now know exactly my feelings on this box.  I couldn't have made it clearer: that I see this as a product for the masses, mainly, but not exclusively.  Gary Taylor and I did certain things knowing FULL well it would appeal to the long term fans, while the masses wouldn't even be aware of those subtle details.... Hungarian, French, Mexican rare sleeves, etc, and further evident on boxes 2, 3 and 4. This boxed set (1 of 4) offers nothing that you and me don't already have, but it offers MUCH that Mrs Brown on the street doesn't have... all her favourite Queen singles, up to 1979, plus many she only vaguely remembers but will recall when she hears them again, plus some unusual sleeves that she'll never have seen (that MIGHT be an extra appeal, or not), and all in a dinky box that doesn't occupy much space. Not £70 or £50. But £39 or £35.  Bargain!



      
It certainly IS aimed mainly at the masses, as I call them, for sure, as I have explained endlessly, but not exclusively. The rare sleeves aspect was mainly for the real fans, because people have always said to me, "Please give us some rare sleeves that we don't have in our collections - too expensive and rare to get now - rather than the UK EMI sleeves again." So that's what we did. OF COURSE the band and EMI want the fans, collectors, die-hards (YOU AND ME cms) to buy it too.  Jesus, that's surely obvious. Not to you evidently!!   And... I have in my QUEEN FRIENDS inbox between 30 and 40 mails from fans who HAVE purchased it and they're not Mrs Brown/General public purchasers. 



      
"aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street."  If this were true, if it were ONLY pitched at them, the box wouldn't have been made available on the Queen FAN web sites (where I think it's actually selling the most, by the by). It's being offered on FAN SITES because that is, of course, precisely where fans like you and me look first.  The competitions to win a free copy of the box are offered on those sites - with questions pitched at REAL fans - in order that REAL fans also buy it. Isn't this obvious too???   You see, chum cms, you need to think just a bit before you open the old goblet and invite people to agree with you lemming-like, without thinking it thru first.












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cmsdrums wrote:




Now I'm confused - all along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors, but was aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street.  Now it seems he's saying it is aimed at the collectors, and with the specific reliance on them buying recycled product again cos it's in a different box and will look pretty on the shelf.



I could be reading this wrong but that's how the above looks to me.









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It's nearly Monday... and I'll leave you in peace then.  There is much to do next week on the final photography for the I WANT IT ALL! memorabilia book.  But I will respond to this first.  You know you love it and I have some to kill before The Railway Children's on TV................NO NO NO.  You see, cmsdrums.... IMMEDIATELY in your very first sentence you have it wrong...


You offer a short message but even then get the main and principal point WRONG.



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"along Greg has said that the singles box set wasn't aimed at the fans/collectors"



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No. I said that since the box features tracks that all 'die hard' fans already have (several times over) that it's the 'masses' to whom it will appeal MOST.  



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I have written MUCH on this subject, so please do not pick out one tiny sentence out of context, from all that stuff.  Most of everyone else here I'm sure must now know exactly my feelings on this box.  I couldn't have made it clearer: that I see this as a product for the masses, mainly, but not exclusively.  Gary Taylor and I did certain things knowing FULL well it would appeal to the long term fans, while the masses wouldn't even be aware of those subtle details.... Hungarian, French, Mexican rare sleeves, etc, and further evident on boxes 2, 3 and 4. This boxed set (1 of 4) offers nothing that you and me don't already have, but it offers MUCH that Mrs Brown on the street doesn't have... all her favourite Queen singles, up to 1979, plus many she only vaguely remembers but will recall when she hears them again, plus some unusual sleeves that she'll never have seen (that MIGHT be an extra appeal, or not), and all in a dinky box that doesn't occupy much space. Not £70 or £50. But £39 or £35.  Bargain!
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It certainly IS aimed mainly at the masses, as I call them, for sure, as I have explained endlessly, but not exclusively. The rare sleeves aspect was mainly for the real fans, because people have always said to me, "Please give us some rare sleeves that we don't have in our collections - too expensive and rare to get now - rather than the UK EMI sleeves again." So that's what we did. OF COURSE the band and EMI want the fans, collectors, die-hards (YOU AND ME cms) to buy it too.  Jesus, that's surely obvious. Not to you evidently!!   And... I have in my QUEEN FRIENDS inbox between 30 and 40 mails from fans who HAVE purchased it and they're not Mrs Brown/General public purchasers.



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"aimed squarely at joe public walking into the record store off the street." 



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 If this were true, if it were ONLY pitched at them, the box wouldn't have been made available on the Queen FAN web sites (where I think it's actually selling the most, by the by). It's being offered on FAN SITES because that is, of course, precisely where fans like you and me look first.  The competitions to win a free copy of the box are offered on those sites - with questions pitched at REAL fans - in order that REAL fans also buy it. Isn't this obvious too???   You see, chum cms, you need to think just a bit before you open the old goblet and invite people to agree with you lemming-like, without thinking it thru first.












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