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Posted: 16 Jan 09, 23:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So about a year ago, I e-mailed Brian May and gave him marching orders to the effect of 'make a 12 string Red Special', threw in a coy joke about Rickenbacker, stuff like that... actually he published my letter (and his "We'll get to it!" response) on his site.

Of course I don't really expect that to happen, it's taking forever just for the acoustic Red Special to show up (unless I've missed something).  A 12 string Red Special would be a bit of a niche item anyway so I don't think it's realistic.

BUT... I'd still like one.  What are my options, here?  I've never made a guitar, or done any serious converting of one.  Do I go about building one largely from scratch?  Would it be possible to knock one together using parts of a Red Special copy?


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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 05:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote















Zebonka12 wrote:







Of course I don't really expect that to happen, it's taking forever just for the acoustic Red Special to show up (unless I've missed something).  A 12 string Red Special would be a bit of a niche item anyway so I don't think it's realistic.






You did: http://www.brianmayguitars.co.uk/newsitems/view/65

Oh and I'm glad I'm not the only one who's daydreamed about a 12-string RS :-D

Hey! What about a dual-necked 6-string/12-string Super RS like the guitar Jimmy Page famously uses for "Stairway To Heaven"?? *drooooooooooooooooooooooooooolsss*


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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 05:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Zebonka12 wrote:

Would it be possible to knock one together using parts of a Red Special copy?




Wouldnt that make it a sort of "Frankenstein" Red Special then? [img=/images/smiley/msn/whatchutalkingabout_smile.gif][/img]





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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 09:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that some parts need to be specially built for the 12-string, due to the extra string tension et al.


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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 09:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd go further, a triple neck... with an ukelele.


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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 09:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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I'd go further, a triple neck... with an ukelele.
With a handle, like Stevie Vai?







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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 10:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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Marcos Napier wrote:



I'd go further, a triple neck... with an ukelele.

With a handle, like Stevie Vai?





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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 10:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've seen some old 90's Guild BHM that have been converted to 12 string.  You can do that with the old Guilds because of their wider necks.

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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 12:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Marcos Napier wrote:

I think that some parts need to be specially built for the 12-string, due to the extra string tension et al.

Agreed..  that was my biggest concern.



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I've seen some old 90's Guild BHM that have been converted to 12 string.  You can do that with the old Guilds because of their wider necks. 

Hmmm,  not such a big problem for me.  Until recently I'd never even been in the same room as a 12 string but having had a play on a couple now, I'm cool with a neck width that's basically on a par with my RS.

Actually the first thing I thought of was the headstock.  I don't see how the extra 6 machine heads would go on there, not even in a Rickenbacker styling... 







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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 13:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



inu-liger wrote:































Zebonka12 wrote:















Of course I don't really expect that to happen, it's taking forever just for the acoustic Red Special to show up (unless I've missed something).  A 12 string Red Special would be a bit of a niche item anyway so I don't think it's realistic.














You did: http://www.brianmayguitars.co.uk/newsitems/view/65




I wonder if we'll see that on the next tour, if there is one.







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Posted: 17 Jan 09, 23:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That'll be the day.



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Posted: 18 Jan 09, 08:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

12-strings sound great, but they're a pain in the neck (as that specific part tends to warp).



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Posted: 19 Jan 09, 02:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed.  I'll just have to build it out of something like granite, haha.



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Posted: 19 Jan 09, 20:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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12-strings sound great, but they're a pain in the neck (as that specific part tends to warp).

So maybe the superstrings do exist... That's why time-space warps!





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Posted: 26 Jan 09, 08:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would love a 12-string, too.  I would like the new acoustic and a proper 3/4 scale RS.

What about that second unmade BM prototype, the one that looks like an old Vox guitar?  Has any enterprising guitar make used the design and made a run of them?  That would be a prize.



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Posted: 26 Jan 09, 23:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote







Daniel Nester wrote:




What about that second unmade BM prototype, the one that looks like an old Vox guitar?


I can't for the life of me find a picture of that one on his site, but I was looking at it the other week and it was pretty damned neat.

He has given at least passing thought to the idea of a 12 string, because I got an answer to my letter last January.

http://brianmay.com/brian/letters/lettersjan08.html

(Almost halfway down the page)

Being realistic, I don't think it'll happen, but it's a nice thought.  I'd happily try to convert a Burns to 12 strings my self but my main worries are the neck not being strong enough, and the headstock not really having enough space to accomodate more machine heads.



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Posted: 27 Jan 09, 17:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Converting a Burns to a 12 string wouldn't work.  There's not enough spacing on the fretboard or the headstock.  Like I've said before, I've seen a Guild converted to a 12, but they had a wider neck and larger headstock,

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Posted: 27 Jan 09, 22:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fretboard isn't a problem for me, but the headstock is definitely.

I guess for a glued in neck this is a bit absurd, but could one ... put a new neck on?  I play guitars, I've never tried building one so I've no idea if that's feasible or not.



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Posted: 29 Jan 09, 13:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, it is possible to remove a glued neck from the body.  It will be expensive though.  You just have to make sure you take it to an experienced luthier.

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Posted: 30 Jan 09, 12:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmmm!  Well then, something to think about next time I have some money to throw around.



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