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Posted: 14 May 09, 13:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was wondering whether how many three-four time songs Queen has made.
I'm too lazy to search for and check all the lists with figures, does somebody know this?
(and I wonder which songs of parts are three-four)

Sorry for my bad English


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Posted: 14 May 09, 14:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the only full song in 3/4 timing is Sweet Lady.


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Posted: 14 May 09, 16:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sweet Lady has a section in 4/4. So it's not a full song in 3/4 anyway.



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Posted: 14 May 09, 17:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, you're right, my bad.
So no song from Queen is fully in 3/4 timing?
But then I can assume that Sweet Lady at least has the longest 3/4 timing from all Queen songs?


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Posted: 14 May 09, 19:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

isn't it a little bit of 3/4 in mustapha too ?



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Posted: 15 May 09, 15:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Millionaire Waltz has some 3/4 time doesn't it?

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Posted: 15 May 09, 16:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm fairly positive The Millionaire Waltz is in 3/4 time.


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Posted: 15 May 09, 22:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Steven wrote:

I'm fairly positive The Millionaire Waltz is in 3/4 time.



considering that it is a waltz......  

I'm glad that someone agrees with me.





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Posted: 15 May 09, 22:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmmm.....I was tempted say "I'm in Love With My Car," until I remenbered Roger saying in some video that it's really 6/8 time.  So even though it's a rolling feeling of 3 notes within a 'beat," basically that "beat" is duple.  Given, it's a slow duple. 




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Posted: 16 May 09, 08:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



beautifulsoup wrote:

Hmmm.....I was tempted say "I'm in Love With My Car," until I remenbered Roger saying in some video that it's really 6/8 time.  So even though it's a rolling feeling of 3 notes within a 'beat,"basically that "beat" is duple.  Given, it's a slow duple. 

  



well 6/8 time and 3/4 time is pretty much the same thing, since time signatures are just basic math problems.  The reason you hear the 3/4 beat is because it's 6/8 time and 6/8 reduces to 3/4 in basic math.





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Posted: 16 May 09, 09:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually, 3/4 and 6/8 aren't the same, just like so-called identical twins have some subtle differences, just like F# isn't the same as Gb, etc.

In Queen, 6/8 is actually more common (Jesus, Somebody to Love, We Are the Champions, Drowse, I'm in Love With My Car), 3/4 still appears sometimes (e.g. Lap of the Gods... Revisited, Soul Brother, Sweet Lady and Millionaire Waltz, though the latter two include 4/4 sections). Both Bicycle Race and Innuendo have a break in 3/4 as well.



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Posted: 16 May 09, 10:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Sebastian wrote:

 Actually, 3/4 and 6/8 aren't the same, just like so-called identical twins have some subtle differences, just like F# isn't the same as Gb, etc.

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Posted: 16 May 09, 21:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

but 3/4 and 6/8 have a VERY similar recognizable sound.

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Posted: 16 May 09, 21:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:

Actually, 3/4 and 6/8 aren't the same, just like so-called identical twins have some subtle differences, just like F# isn't the same as Gb, etc.

In Queen, 6/8 is actually more common (Jesus, Somebody to Love, We Are the Champions, Drowse, I'm in Love With My Car), 3/4 still appears sometimes (e.g. Lap of the Gods... Revisited, Soul Brother, Sweet Lady and Millionaire Waltz, though the latter two include 4/4 sections). Both Bicycle Race and Innuendo have a break in 3/4 as well.

Not to cause confusion...but I thought "We Are The Champions" was in 12/8.







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Posted: 17 May 09, 01:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



lalaalalaa wrote:

but 3/4 and 6/8 have a VERY similar recognizable sound.

Just like siblings (and identical twins even more) have VERY similar looks, traits, etc. but they're still different. Just like F# and Gb are VERY close but not the same, etc.

As for We Are the Champions: you may be right about that. These things are sometimes neither black nor white nor grey: drums can be playing one pattern and vocal may have a different pulse, etc. Queen catalogue has some subtle polyrhythms, hemiolas and so on.

If you can elaborate on Champions' metre, please do: I'll be happy to stand corrected if that's the case.



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Posted: 17 May 09, 02:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi, folks!

How are you doing? I hope you're all doing fine. Sunday! Yeah!

No need to be that worried about time signatures, I think. These are very simplistic conventions which are useful under certain circumstances, but they don't really tell you anything more accurate about timing and the time structure upon which the music is built. In some cases, they're not useful at all - on the contrary, they can be misleading - because we don't know how certain notations were interpreted by a certain musician - things get more and more complicated the further back we go into the past. 

Nowadays there are other, more complex and accurate ways of rendering the time structure of a particular piece and the role it plays in organizing the sound material. 

There are usually, especially with regard to pop music, more than a single plausible interpretation for the time signature; it's more helpful just to speak in lay terms and say how we feel about the pulse of them song: where we notice a change, and so on. Just on a very basic, sensory level, without resorting to notations which may put off some people who otherwise can contribute a lot to the discussion.

Rythim was described in ordinary language much before the current system of time signatures was tought out. 

I'd ask you humbly to try to be less technical and more intuitive. It may turn out to be more helpful for users in general.    

Have a nice sunday you all!

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Posted: 17 May 09, 12:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:



 



lalaalalaa wrote:



but 3/4 and 6/8 have a VERY similar recognizable sound.


Just like siblings (and identical twins even more) have VERY similar looks, traits, etc. but they're still different. Just like F# and Gb are VERY close but not the same, etc.

As for We Are the Champions: you may be right about that. These things are sometimes neither black nor white nor grey: drums can be playing one pattern and vocal may have a different pulse, etc. Queen catalogue has some subtle polyrhythms, hemiolas and so on.

If you can elaborate on Champions' metre, please do: I'll be happy to stand corrected if that's the case.


I realize they are different, since i read music every day in marching band/concert band and choir.






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Posted: 17 May 09, 14:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Congratulations. Then, you must know that they're not 'pretty much the same thing'.


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beautifulsoup wrote:


Sebastian wrote:

 Actually, 3/4 and 6/8 aren't the same, just like so-called identical twins have some subtle differences, just like F# isn't the same as Gb, etc.

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F# and Gb are the same note...which name you would use would depend on the key you were in. But they are the same sound.