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Posted: 19 May 09, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



The people who burn their ROIO shows to CDs, what CDRs do you use?



I don't store my shows on computer or on DVD data discs as flac files, but I always burn them to CDs. However, lately I've started to think about the durability of CD-Rs and I've had the fear that I've been using too crappy blank discs. I obviously want to file shows well to my music archives, and I'd be very depressed if one day I decided to listen to some old show and I'd find out that there's been data loss, the CD has degraded and I've lost the music. Using good quality blank CD-Rs is especially important for my own recordings, as I've taped a few shows recently and I have the only copies in the world of those gigs and I really don't want to lose them. I've been using mainly TDK CD-Rs that are made in China; the info my burning program gives about the discs is that they're made by CMC Magnetics Corporation (which I think is not a good thing) and use Phthalocyanine dye (which is supposed to be a good thing, AFAIK). I hear the Japanese Taiyo Yuden discs are the best, but the selection is not very good where I live, and apparently there's so many fake Taiyo Yudens floating around that you can easily think that you're buying good discs but then they might be crappy fakes and the music is not safely stored. I'm not sure whether I should try ordering Taiyo Yudens online from some other country, if they even deliver here, or should I just hope that my Chinese-made CMC discs are good. Also, this may sound really stupid, like I've never burned any CDs before, but I don't know how to check if my CDs have had burning errors. I mean do all burning programs tell instantly if there has been some errors, or do I need to use a separate program to check if there are errors? I think there can be errors even if CDs play fine; sometimes when I rip CDs to the computer with Exact Audio Copy, I get errors and I can't rip the music even if it plays normally in the stereo.



How do Queen collectors here store their concerts?



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Posted: 19 May 09, 12:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote















aion wrote:































I hear the Japanese Taiyo Yuden discs are the best






























Any Japanese-made discs are top of the line.  Fujifilm is also superb... just be sure they're not the ones made in Taiwan.  Who knows, maybe there's just one big factory in each country, and the individual companies just slap their label on it...

That said, I've been burning discs for over 10 years, and every single one of my thousands of discs, regardless of brand, still work perfectly, except for those ones with those sticker labels on it.  The glue seeps into the disc and slowly destroys the data from the inside out.  So a large part of it must be how well you take care of your discs.

But the true experts say that any discs made in Japan are the best out there.




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Posted: 20 May 09, 11:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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Any Japanese-made discs are top of the line.  Fujifilm is also superb... just be sure they're not the ones made in Taiwan.  Who knows, maybe there's just one big factory in each country, and the individual companies just slap their label on it...

That said, I've been burning discs for over 10 years, and every single one of my thousands of discs, regardless of brand, still work perfectly, except for those ones with those sticker labels on it.  The glue seeps into the disc and slowly destroys the data from the inside out.  So a large part of it must be how well you take care of your discs.

But the true experts say that any discs made in Japan are the best out there.


Thanks. I understand that the brand name doesn't usually mean anything, because the media companies don't usually make their own discs but they come from various factories in East Asia. Companies like TDK and Verbatim and Maxell just put their label on the discs. But apparently Taiyo Yuden makes their own CDs and you can always trust Taiyo Yuden... I've so far never tried their discs though.


Anyway, I wonder if I'm just paranoid about this thing. I do take good care of all of my CDs and I'm not aware that it's common that data disappears from discs after only a few years. But the longer "shelf life" my CDs have, the better.



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Posted: 05 Jul 09, 15:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I guess it also relys on the burner and not only on the cd-r. I used TDK cd-rs for years, but after buying a new computer I got some problems with my Onkyo cd-player playing the cds without any cracks, so I made some tests:

  • new LG burner with TDK cd-r NOT readable
  • old Plextor burner with TDK cd-r readable
  • new LG burner with Intenso cd-r readable
  • old Plextor burner with Intenso cd-r readable
I guess it could also have an influence on longevity.


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Posted: 14 Jul 09, 12:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote:

and every single one of my thousands of discs, regardless of brand, still work perfectly


I don't believe you.  Could you check again?

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Posted: 14 Jul 09, 13:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They're all still fine.  Some of them are over 10 years old.  I just take care of them.

The only ones that have ever had problems are those with the sticker labels on them.

But I still do and probably always will backup to Japanese media, unless/until something better comes along.




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Posted: 21 Jul 09, 08:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If anyone's interested I always use Philips CD-Rs, purely because they invented the damn things.  Perhaps not the greatest reason, but in burning over 5000 discs I literally haven't had a single dud, nor has a single one failed to play in any player.

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Posted: 21 Jul 09, 13:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



stark wrote:

If anyone's interested I always use Philips CD-Rs, purely because they invented the damn things.  Perhaps not the greatest reason, but in burning over 5000 discs I literally haven't had a single dud, nor has a single one failed to play in any player.



Philips Cd-rs are very gooo,,, you can try it!






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