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Posted: 26 May 09, 04:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello everyone !
 
This time, I have choosen to share « Especially Milan », which contains the two shows in Milan on 14th and 15th September 1984.
Pittrek just shared with us his own multi-source compilation of the same shows, under the fabulous name of « Viva Italia » (  ;o) ). http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1180951/queen-live-1984-viva-italia.aspx

  
Comments from www.queenonlive.ca about « Especially Milan » :
14/09/1984 : « The material from the first night seems to be a straight copy of The Jewels with a bit of hiss reduction applied. »
15/09/1984 : « For the second night, they have created a complete recording by using all available tape in the best possible quality. Like the first two discs, they applied a bit of hiss reduction. They used the LP source for Bohemian Rhapsody, and removed all the vinyl ticks in the sound. All these careful edits make this undoubtedly the definitive copy of the show. » These last comments make me think that Pittrek just made the same sort of work here !
 
 
So just download the links, compare and share your opinions !!
 
By the way, it’s nice to see Queen’s first and only visit to Italy being so well documented. Tremendous !
 
 
 
QUEEN
ESPECIALLY MILAN
 
Wardour-062
 
 
from the silvers
 
 
Lineage : silvers > Wav (EAC) > Flac level 8 (Traders' Little Helper)
 
 
Comments : date on the sleeve says 1984.09.14 Milan, Sportspalace for CD1 & CD2, and 1984.09.15 Milan,
Sportspalace for CD3 & CD4
 
 
 
Tracklisting :
 
 
CD1 :
 
01. Machines (intro)
02. Tear It Up
03. Tie Your Mother Down
04. Under Pressure
05. Somebody To Love
06. Killer Queen
07. Seven Seas Of Rhye
08. Keep Yourself Alive
09. Liar
10. Mustapha Improvisation
11. It's A Hard Life
12. Staying Power
13. Dragon Attack
14. Now I'm Here
15. Is This The World We Created
16. Love Of My Life
17. Stone Cold Crazy - Great King Rat
18. Keyboards Solo
19. Guitar Solo - Brighton Rock
 
 
CD2 :
 
01. Another One Bites The Dust
02. Hammer To Fall
03. Crazy Little Thing Called Love
04. Bohemian Rhapsody
05. Radio Ga Ga
06. I Want To Break Free
07. Jailhouse Rock
08. We Will Rock You
09. We Are The Champions
10. God Save The Queen
 
 
CD3 :
 
01. Machines (intro)
02. Tear It Up
03. Tie Your Mother Down
04. Under Pressure
05. Somebody To Love
06. Killer Queen
07. Seven Seas Of Rhye
08. Keep Yourself Alive
09. Liar
10. Vocal Improvisation
11. It's A Hard Life
12. Mustapha (intro)
13. Dragon Attack
14. Now I'm Here
15. Is This The World We Created
16. Love Of My Life
17. Stone Cold Crazy - Great King Rat
18. Keyboards Solo
19. Guitar Solo - Brighton Rock
 
 
CD4 :
 
01. Another One Bites The Dust
02. Hammer To Fall
03. Crazy Little Thing Called Love
04. Bohemian Rhapsody
05. Radio Ga Ga
06. I Want To Break Free
07. Jailhouse Rock
08. We Will Rock You
09. We Are The Champions
10. God Save The Queen
 
Links :
 
CD1 : (also contain artwork,  info.txt file, and a Word document with the frequency analysis and spectral views)
http://rapidshare.com/files/236833700/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD1.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/236856472/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD1.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/236876172/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD1.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/236943943/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD1.part4.rar
 
CD2 :
http://rapidshare.com/files/236981788/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD2.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/237002074/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD2.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/237014342/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD2.part3.rar
 
CD3 :
http://rapidshare.com/files/237088199/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD3.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/237122266/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD3.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/237160431/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD3.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/237171581/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD3.part4.rar
 
CD4 :
http://rapidshare.com/files/237310868/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD4.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/237343115/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD4.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/237186179/ESPECIALLY_MILAN_CD4.part3.rar
 
 
Enjoy !!
 
Oh, of course, don’t make it lossy (or only for your own personal use). Keep it lossless for sharing.
 
 
Regards,
 
Olivier,
Belgium.v


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Posted: 26 May 09, 06:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 26 May 09, 08:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for uploading what seems to be a definitive version!


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Posted: 26 May 09, 11:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MERCI BEAUCOUP

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Posted: 26 May 09, 12:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks a lot


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Posted: 26 May 09, 16:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks - this looks fantastic! :)

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Posted: 26 May 09, 17:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My beautiful home... upgraded!

Thank you very much Olivier.


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Posted: 26 May 09, 18:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is it really an upgrade ? I haven't compared to "Viva Italia" yet but it seems the work has been done quite similarly on those two ! I'm still convinced Alex's artwork for "Viva Italia" is even better than Wardour's, but I haven't compared the audio yet.
I'm trying to deal with Essen 1980 as soon as possible, this will finally be my next upload :o)

Regards,

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Posted: 26 May 09, 21:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great share, thanks.

On disk 1, the first night. Brian speaks just after NIH and before ITTWWC. He says "Its good to see you, its been a long time huh? a very long time"

Sounds like a strange thing to say considering it is their first concert there?



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Posted: 26 May 09, 23:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Another exelent gift from Olivier.! Thank You Very Much.!

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Posted: 27 May 09, 17:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 27 May 09, 23:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks, Olivier Ruth, but this time, my dear, and I know I appreciate your shares a whole lot, I'll have to go for Pittrek's share. It's just my criteria for downloading things here. It's comprised of the following questions:

a) Is it the game tour?
b) If it isn't, is it being shared in a CUTE WAY? Then it doesn't matter the quality or the content - if two versions are being shared, and only one of them is being shared in a cute fashion, I go for this one.

Pittrek got me already on the title. "Viva Italia" was too cute for me to resist. It's automatic download, just like stuff from the Game Tour.

"Especially Milan" is ok, but in terms of cuteness, it's no match for "Viva Italia".

I hope you don't mind. Though, if you change the title of yours to "Viva Italia - Seconda Versione", then I download both.   ;-)))

Take care and thanks a lot, Olivier Ruth. Your shares have been great. Thanks also for your kindness and patience towards us all.

I wish you the best!

Yara


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Posted: 19 Jun 09, 23:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is it possible that audiochecker tells some tracks are MPEG?

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Posted: 20 Jun 09, 16:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Can anybody explain me the difference between CDDA and MPEG as the audiochecker files of these concerts are very very strange? It seems lossy.

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riccardo wrote:

Can anybody explain me the difference between CDDA and MPEG

CDDA - compact disc digital audio, lossless.

MPEG - data is irreplaceably lost.




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Posted: 20 Jun 09, 18:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



riccardo wrote:

Is it possible that audiochecker tells some tracks are MPEG?


Yes, that's possible, what I shared are exact copies of the silvers, so it depends :
- of the source they used, that could very well be lossy after all
- of the treatment done to the sound, the work on the sound could result in the cut of some frequencies, which makes audiochecker find lossy files.

To cut short, a file checked as "CDDA" means a lossless file, the sound has all its frequencies intact, so it is considered as lossless (no loss of frequency, therefor no loss of quality). A sound checked as "MPEG" means there was some compression along the way, some frequencies were dropped, therefore the sound is not "complete", it is considered as lossy. MP3 uses the MPEG compression, that's why you can see messages such as "don't share those files as MP3" in the text of some shares. A compression to MP3 or any compressed format is definitive, you can't undo that, so you decrease the quality for good.
Audiochecker gives also a percentage before CDDA or MPEG, 100% MPEG means Audiochecker is absolutely sure, given its criteria, that the file is lossless. 40% CDDA means the software is not so sure, but he bets that it is lossless.

A perfect recording, taken from an original lossless source would give all files with "100% CDDA". It is not the case here; that's most probably because it is not a real copy of the source, but the sound has been modified by the bootleg company. They remastered it in some way. It could be me who modified the sound after ripping the files from the bootleg discs, but it's not the case here, it is a direct copy of those discs.

To get more information you can use the Word document with the freq analysis and spectral views, which gives you a view of the level of the frequencies used. The human ear can hear up to 20.000 Hz or so (some say they can hear more, some less). So a MP3 conversion would cut the frequencies at 16.000 HZ, therefore 20% of the sound is deleted. Here it is not the case, but you can see something like a line around 15.000 Hz which makes Audiochecker (which is only a software analyzing the files with given criterias) a little unsure of the results he gives. Whether the remastering works made this line, or the original source had this "hole" (could be a problem with the equipment, or bad mikes, or something like that), is unknown to us; bootleg companies don't tell what is done to the sound.

In my own opinion, a bootleg still is a bootleg, a product on his own, with its own history, its own artwork, its own trademark sound (for example Gypsy Eye and its crackling sound). Someone dealt with the sound along the way, or not, we don't know. It is different from a RoIo (Recording of unkown origin), because it is at first created to be sold, whereas RoIo's are generally exchanged between the fans (at first, some bootleg companies are avid of an easy "download, cut and paste", but that's another story). 
Therefore, the bootleg companies use the sources they have (sometimes they are the only persons to have them, it is not shared elsewhere), and they can play with the sound as much as they want, nobody can't do anything about that. They create a sort of finished product. That's what is shared here !

Therefore, you can't really know what was really done to the sound and by whom (bootleg company, original sharer?) or what (hiss reduction, bad equipment used?).
At least that's my own explanation, but some more skilled people could confirm/correct/complete what I say !


Regards,

Olivier,
Belgium.





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Posted: 20 Jun 09, 21:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks a lot Olivier and Sir GH for this clarification. You have been very kind.