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Posted: 25 Jun 09, 19:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Before I get to the main purpose of this thread, can I first say that I've just read on a Live Killers 30th anniversary thread, elsewhere on this site, that I apparently once stated that the only full shows from that European tour of '79 QPL has in its archive, are Munich and Paris..... I do not believe I ever said anything of the sort.
This is clearly NOT the case. As I have stated several times at several conventions, the 1979 Live Killers tours (my favourite Queen live era, by the way) happens also to be the most comprehensively covered of all Queen tours. Those shows were covered extensively, as I thought was widely known. This must surely be obvious given that the concerts spawned a double live album comp'd from many gigs, not just one or two, as we all know.

I too would have loved to see a Live Killers 30th anniversary set of some kind - such as a comprehensive DVD/CD package featuring the very best footage, and also lots of fabulous audio I have heard which is truly stunning (of which there is MUCH)... and I did actually propose such a product two years ago, for the 2009 anniv. There are various reasons why it has not come to fruition, however, but I do think, for what it's worth, that a LK DVD/CD set will emerge one day (perhaps as part of a bigger Queen Live set????) - and it will be brilliant.  I'd further expect that it would feature all the missing songs curiously absent on the Killers LP, plus a whole lot more.

Anyway.... I didn't say Munich and Paris was ALL we had in terms of whole shows, you silly billys who thought that, because I've known that's not the case as far back as 1997 when I first entered the archive.

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QUEEN MUSIC ON GAMES

Can anyone name any Queen song that has ever appeared in any game.... including such things as The eYe, Singstar, Guitar Heroes, etc.  Please let me know, here, of anything at you know of.   The song and the game and year please.
Ta very much sort of thing.
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Posted: 25 Jun 09, 20:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg,

Nice to see you here again, and I truly hope we get to see some of these live gems soon. Like most people I believe that the QPR project delayed us getting some 70's stuff on CD/DVD, and although I loved the collaboration, I think its a shame we still havent got some of the best stuff out of the archives to enjoy.
A Live Killers set with missing songs (preferably a whole gig, or at least whole songs rather than the weird pieced together approach of the original album!) would be tremendous indeed, and I look forward to such an exciting release, whenever that may be.

Im afraid I cant help with the games question, although with the very recent, and officially sanctioned releases, do you not just have that info available through the band infrastructure you work in!? Google will have it anyway, although the more obscure games uses is Im sure what you're looking for from the "experts" here.

I did want to say thank you though for encouraging me a while back on some random thread to get the Freddie box when I said I'd never had it. I made a point of getting on to ebay when I got some cash, and its now a prized possession.
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Posted: 25 Jun 09, 21:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Im guessing you already know about the ones listed on Queenpedia, here is a link.

http://www.queenpedia.com/index.php?title=Queen_Songs_In_Video_Games

Also found this one.

http://www.netjak.com/review.php/419





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Posted: 26 Jun 09, 01:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg,

Why not release the individual 1979 shows as lossless downloads from the official Queen website ?

Plenty of bands do this kind of thing.  It would make money, and plenty of people would bite - not just the hardcore fans.  But you can bet that every hardcore Queen fan would buy every one of the shows.

And when the boxed set or Live Killers re-release comes out, it certainly won't take away from those sales.  You know better than anyone that the most devoted fans will buy what is available, as long as it offers something new.  Live recordings from the 70s are greatly in demand not only by the hardcore fans, but popular culture as a whole.  The lack of officially available Queen live recordings from the 70s leaves a large gap in rock history for the average person to enjoy.




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Posted: 26 Jun 09, 05:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Hi Greg,

I think I am that "someone" you refer on the Live Killers 30th Anniversary thread, as I mentioned the Paris and Munich gigs based on the list you kindly provided us here:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1027435/the-queen-live-archive-list-finally-sorry-for-the-delay.aspx

As you did when providing this list, I was meaning COMPLETE show recordings.

I was somehow shocked when initially reading your list and only seeing Paris and Munich mentioned, being awared, as most of the fans, of the way LK was assembled. If you confirm many more complete recordings of that era exist in the archive, then that´s (hopefully) good news for us, but you also said in the link shown above:

"We also have various pieces of various shows from Europe 79 (obviously, because they were used for Live Killers)..."

So reading these words I would still understand only Paris and Munich are complete, but now you´re saying the opposite. Many thanks in advance in case you´d like to definitely clarify this point.

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Vali


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Posted: 26 Jun 09, 06:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sir GH wrote:

Greg,

Why not release the individual 1979 shows as lossless downloads from the official Queen website ?

Plenty of bands do this kind of thing.  It would make money, and plenty of people would bite - not just the hardcore fans.  But you can bet that every hardcore Queen fan would buy every one of the shows.

And when the boxed set or Live Killers re-release comes out, it certainly won't take away from those sales.  You know better than anyone that the most devoted fans will buy what is available, as long as it offers something new.  Live recordings from the 70s are greatly in demand not only by the hardcore fans, but popular culture as a whole.  The lack of officially available Queen live recordings from the 70s leaves a large gap in rock history for the average person to enjoy.



Indeed, that's how it should be done!

I agree with every word you say. When I check out music fora people are often complaining that there's so little available from Queen from 'their best period'(being the seventies).







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Posted: 26 Jun 09, 08:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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QUEEN MUSIC ON GAMES


Can anyone name any Queen song that has ever appeared in any game.... including such things as The eYe, Singstar, Guitar Heroes, etc.  Please let me know, here, of anything at you know of.   The song and the game and year please.

Ta very much sort of thing.

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Greg I am not sure if you mean songs that actually have Queen singing on them, or songs by Queen (covers if you like) used within the game. This one has We Are The Champions in it - though thankfully not "sung" by the band themselves.



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Posted: 27 Jun 09, 04:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MANY thanks everyone who replied here with good useful info and constructive comment - particularly Cwazy LT, Marknow, SirGH and Vali. All good stuff.  Much appreciated.





Re the Live Killers ideas... Justin, Kris and I have discussed various ways of approaching such a project. The Europe 1979 material is extensive and varied, and of course among the most exciting of all Queen concerts.  I believe that whatever happens with that stuff should be pretty fabulous - how could it not be!!??



What usually happens is that we submit various ideas in various forms to the band and they throw out or keep whichever elements they like - as they did with the Queen Singles Collection and the GVH and concert DVDs before that.  We come up with ways in which it could be constructed, and ideas for bonuses, and see how it goes from there.



I'm saying this only because some people, like in this thread, write to me to suggest how I might do this and that, and how I should structure such and such CD or box, when actually those decisions are simply not mine.  I will keep certain suggestions in mind though and put them into any LK proposal if we are ever asked for one.  I really have no idea when or if such a project would get the green light, no more than you know, but I certainly hope it will one day.



I would like to think that they'll either be a purely LK set of some kind, or that the best of the unheard/unseen LK material would feature on a bigger Queen live package, alongside all the other great and good.




We live in hope.  I happen to think that we Queen fans already have some superb live DVDs and CDs, more than most bands, and that that trend will doubtless continue, given that there's still some great stuff in the archive.  In my opinion, just because we might not have ENTIRE shows on film or audio in the archive, does not mean we could not put together a seriously fab Best of Queen in the 70s and/or 80s DVD/CD package.  That to me would be a hugely exciting prospect.  Let's just wait and see how the band feels about these things when the time comes.




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Posted: 27 Jun 09, 09:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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We live in hope.  I happen to think that we Queen fans already have some superb live DVDs and CDs, more than most bands,




"More than most bands"??? 

I really do think that's pushing it Greg!!!





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Posted: 27 Jun 09, 09:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for the great response, Greg.

All the best.




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We live in hope.  I happen to think that we Queen fans already have some superb live DVDs and CDs, more than most bands,



 




"More than most bands"??? 

I really do think that's pushing it Greg!!!



Actually, I think he's right about that.

As fans we are very aware of all the possible releases and then we tend to forget what HAS been released. We've had nice things too. Complete shows(which is far from always the case with live releases), both on cd and dvd.

Of course, that we have more than most bands doens't mean there can not be even more.

Let's not forget Queen had many great tours of which nice stuff exists, stuff that deserves a proper release. There's certainly a market for it too, given the fact Queen is such a popular band that also sells to general music fans.









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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 11:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sir GH wrote:

Greg,

Why not release the individual 1979 shows as lossless downloads from the official Queen website ?

Plenty of bands do this kind of thing.  It would make money, and plenty of people would bite - not just the hardcore fans.  But you can bet that every hardcore Queen fan would buy every one of the shows.

And when the boxed set or Live Killers re-release comes out, it certainly won't take away from those sales.  You know better than anyone that the most devoted fans will buy what is available, as long as it offers something new.  Live recordings from the 70s are greatly in demand not only by the hardcore fans, but popular culture as a whole.  The lack of officially available Queen live recordings from the 70s leaves a large gap in rock history for the average person to enjoy.




Because they are short sighted. Simple as.
I expect they know that a few hundred people will buy the downloads and that some enterprising soul will upload them onto a torrent site and then thousands will download for free. Unfortunately, so many people are happy with MP3, so releasing them as lossless won't help much :(
I also expect that they'll take the failure of the "worst sounding 100 bootlegs" idea of a few years ago as an indication of lack of interest.
Sorry for the negativity, but I've been a Queen fan for too long!





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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 12:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In my opinion, a compilation would ruin everything. Plus, we already have a mediocre release called Live Killers a.k.a. 'the only thing that is real is the bass drum'. How odd would it sound hearing Save Me after Dreamer's Ball? I know, an extreme example, but you never know with QP (no offence to you, Greg).

I suggest a Paris 1979 release. It's complete, right? Or Bob's proposal might be even better. It's the 21st century. The internet is a popular means of communication/type of medium, ergo it should be used.

My main concern though, is the fact that Brian has a finger in every pie. I don't think I have to elaborate on this.





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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 13:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is the future and the correct way how to handle the existence of audience recordings and turn them into profit : http://www.livemetallica.com/

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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 13:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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MANY thanks everyone who replied here with good useful info and constructive comment - particularly Cwazy LT, Marknow, SirGH and Vali. All good stuff.  Much appreciated.













Re the Live Killers ideas... Justin, Kris and I have discussed various ways of approaching such a project. The Europe 1979 material is extensive and varied, and of course among the most exciting of all Queen concerts.  I believe that whatever happens with that stuff should be pretty fabulous - how could it not be!!??







What usually happens is that we submit various ideas in various forms to the band and they throw out or keep whichever elements they like - as they did with the Queen Singles Collection and the GVH and concert DVDs before that.  We come up with ways in which it could be constructed, and ideas for bonuses, and see how it goes from there.







I'm saying this only because some people, like in this thread, write to me to suggest how I might do this and that, and how I should structure such and such CD or box, when actually those decisions are simply not mine.  I will keep certain suggestions in mind though and put them into any LK proposal if we are ever asked for one.  I really have no idea when or if such a project would get the green light, no more than you know, but I certainly hope it will one day.







I would like to think that they'll either be a purely LK set of some kind, or that the best of the unheard/unseen LK material would feature on a bigger Queen live package, alongside all the other great and good.







We live in hope.  I happen to think that we Queen fans already have some superb live DVDs and CDs, more than most bands, and that that trend will doubtless continue, given that there's still some great stuff in the archive.  In my opinion, just because we might not have ENTIRE shows on film or audio in the archive, does not mean we could not put together a seriously fab Best of Queen in the 70s and/or 80s DVD/CD package.  That to me would be a hugely exciting prospect.  Let's just wait and see how the band feels about these things when the time comes.







So, in short, what you're saying is that in the end it's up to Brian and Roger, meaning that we'll get re-packagings of
Montreal and Budapest for another few decades, with an occasional tantalizing present where one of the staff manages to convince them to release something new. Then, after they're dead and gone, the company that holds the rights will throw everything they have on the market in the way that they believe will make the most money, and that'll be it. I'd like to think that professional musicians of the calibre of Brian and Roger would *want* to release as much of their work as possible, in the best possible form.




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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 13:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I hear alarm bells ringing: the " seriously fab Best of Queen in the 70s and/or 80s DVD/CD package" sounds far too much like the seriously crap "Rare Live: Concert through time and space", which should've been named "The badly edited series of clips designed to cash in on Queen's mid-late eighties popularity". Please lock the DoRo twins in a basement for the next two years until the project has been released.


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Yeah, I'd love to see a torpedo hit their German arses.


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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 15:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek is right

This is the future and the correct way how to handle the existence
of audience recordings and turn them into profit :
http://www.livemetallica.com/

it seems to me that even the older Metallica concerts are offered for
FREE as mp3 ,they must be very proud of there earlier shows , so whats
the problem with Queen why do they not want to give there fans what they want?


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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 17:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For QP thinks like this: they want to release products which appeal to the bigger/general public. People who enjoy (rock) music. By releasing a product which contains big hits, such as Break Free, Dust, Radio etc. As a result, obscure material will remain in the shadows. White Queen, Ogre Battle, Father To Son? Never heard of those songs thus we won't buy it!

Apply this thought to their releases over the years and you will start to notice a pattern. It's a repetitive, non-experimental pattern. This is EXACTLY the reason why we QZ'ers criticise Greg so much: it's a 'been there, done that' matter. For us (die-hard) fans this is extremely frustrating as we are often left with abysmal releases.







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Posted: 30 Jun 09, 17:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Rick wrote:

For QP thinks like this: they want to release products which appeal to the bigger/general public. People who enjoy (rock) music. By releasing a product which contains big hits, such as Break Free, Dust, Radio etc. As a result, obscure material will remain in the shadows. White Queen, Ogre Battle, Father To Son? Never heard of those songs thus we won't buy it!

Apply this thought to their releases over the years and you will start to notice a pattern. It's a repetitive, non-experimental pattern. This is EXACTLY the reason why we QZ'ers criticise Greg so much: it's a 'been there, done that' matter. For us (die-hard) fans this is extremely frustrating as we are often left with abysmal releases.






This may be true, but why criticise Greg?
He's the archivist, and therefore looks after the archives - cateloging, maintaining etc.
While he has said he puts together proposals for new products, he has absolutely no say in what gets released - this is what confuses me sometimes - you dont have to like Greg if his personality grates on you or something, but people see him as some sort of limb of Queen Productions, and moan at him as if it'll change anything. Im sure he does mention to his bosses what the feeling of the die hards is, but when it comes down to it, he cant change anything, and people attack him as though he can!

Plus, from what Greg has said in the past regarding projects he is working on, and things he has proposed, he seems to be roughly on the same wavelength as many of us - its not his fault if the bosses change his ideas like with the singles box sets.


On a different note - in reference to this idea of a compilation of stuff from the 70's/80's - I wouldnt mind this provided it wasnt at the expense of full releases - i.e. if a full gig is available on audio/video, release it, but if its bits and pieces in either format, then a project reminiscent of Led Zep's "DVD" would be a cool alternative. Not another rare live though!







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