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Posted: 09 Jul 09, 11:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not bashing a man that Just died, but enough is enough.  I think society is a sick place. Doctors,  Firefighters,  cops,  sanitation workers die everyday, and their lucky to get a mention. These are people who make the world go round, without the average Joe this world would go down the drain.  When freddie died it got announcements, a tribute concert and so on, but it wasn't on every channel,  on every hour during the day, and if it was like this my reaction would be the same, he wasn't a doctor who saved lives.......  It makes me sad to see how society gets sucked into this crap.  Again,  I hope micheal RIP (if he didn't molest those kids) but enough is enough.

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Posted: 09 Jul 09, 11:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Shouldn't this be in the personal section?



John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 09 Jul 09, 11:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yea, I guess your right.  It's too late now.

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You're right, it is a bit overblown.  But Michael Jackson, like him or not, is one of the most famous people ever to have lived, and with good reason:

- he was this and last generation's Elvis
- he broke colour barriers on MTV and elsewhere
- after disco estranged people from record shops, Thriller brought them back
- Thriller was the beginning of wide interest in the compact disc
- the money he gave to charity was approximately his debt when he died
- he inspired people to simply love

"There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one." -- Michael Jackson

But unfortunately... most of those things don't make headlines in 2009.  It's the average person's own fault that they don't bother to take a moment to have some empathy for what the guy had been through - child star at age 5, father's beatings, and female hormones until age 16, for starters.

if he didn't molest those kids

We need to leave that alone too.  The mere mention of that just contributes to the problem that we listen to what tabloid culture feeds us, all in the interest of money at someone's expense.  So the question is, will we as a society learn from this, or will the next big star continue to get attacked by the tabloids and the average person, restarting the cycle of societal abuse yet again?




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I must admit when his brothers were leading awy his cofin at the end it reminded me of the Film Cool Runnings[img=/images/smiley/msn/angel_smile.gif][/img]


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It makes me sad to see how society gets sucked into this crap.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 


You're right, it is a bit overblown.  But Michael Jackson, like him or not, is one of the most famous people ever to have lived, and with good reason:

- he was this and last generation's Elvis
- he broke colour barriers on MTV and elsewhere
- after disco estranged people from record shops, Thriller brought them back
- Thriller was the beginning of wide interest in the compact disc
- the money he gave to charity was approximately his debt when he died
- he inspired people to simply love

"There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one." -- Michael Jackson

But unfortunately... most of those things don't make headlines in 2009.  It's the average person's own fault that they don't bother to take a moment to have some empathy for what the guy had been through - child star at age 5, father's beatings, and female hormones until age 16, for starters.

if he didn't molest those kids

We need to leave that alone too.  The mere mention of that just contributes to the problem that we listen to what tabloid culture feeds us, all in the interest of money at someone's expense.  So the question is, will we as a society learn from this, or will the next big star continue to get attacked by the tabloids and the average person, restarting the cycle of societal abuse yet again?


Well put, Sir GH.








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Posted: 10 Jul 09, 00:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

female hormones until age 16

I hope its just another rumour like the oxygen chamber thing. Why would he do that to himself? Probably someone made up that story because of his feminine voice.

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Posted: 10 Jul 09, 00:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Turn the telly off and stay away from the newspapers articles on Michael and you won't be so sick of him.

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Posted: 10 Jul 09, 02:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well I can't understand how can you write you're "Sick of Michael Jackson". Shouldn't it be more like
"Sick of all the bastards - oh, sorry - REPORTERS who didn't give a shit about MJ when he lived and instead of leaving him alone when he's dead now they suddenly won't shut up about him" ?


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Welll obviously There was a lot of news about him untill the furneal, but its seemed to off died down a bit now its over. MJ got so much attention because was a mucial Legend most of his music came close to perfection. I agree Its all the reporters and news staions that drag it out so much  but its their fault not his.

I dont like rembering him for all this child molesting stuff and stuff I'd rather rember him for his music!. But ppl are still going on about him being a pervert!!! well he died so no ones ever gonna be able prove he was or was'nt are they!!!!!!?  they should just leave it alone now.

It so annoys me aswell that firefighters & nurses ect ect save lifes everyday & hardly any get a mention...

R.I.P M.J





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You're right, it is a bit overblown.  But Michael Jackson, like him or not, is one of the most famous people ever to have lived, and with good reason:

- he was this and last generation's Elvis
- he broke colour barriers on MTV and elsewhere
- after disco estranged people from record shops, Thriller brought them back
- Thriller was the beginning of wide interest in the compact disc
- the money he gave to charity was approximately his debt when he died
- he inspired people to simply love

"There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one." -- Michael Jackson

But unfortunately... most of those things don't make headlines in 2009.  It's the average person's own fault that they don't bother to take a moment to have some empathy for what the guy had been through - child star at age 5, father's beatings, and female hormones until age 16, for starters.

if he didn't molest those kids

We need to leave that alone too.  The mere mention of that just contributes to the problem that we listen to what tabloid culture feeds us, all in the interest of money at someone's expense.  So the question is, will we as a society learn from this, or will the next big star continue to get attacked by the tabloids and the average person, restarting the cycle of societal abuse yet again?



You're giving him waaaay too much credit. He wasn't Bad (pun intended), but he certainly wasn't the messianic figure you're currently portraying him to be. Just look at it like this: in five years, will you still stand by what you wrote now? As an historian, I doubt it. It's still very close to the time of his death now, and so the appropriate distance to cast any useful judgement on his life and career is lacking. Emotions are still overtaking reason.







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female hormones until age 16

Why would he do that to himself?

He was still a kid then... it was his father who took care of that, to keep MJ's voice up high for as long as possible.































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You're giving him waaaay too much credit. He wasn't Bad (pun intended), but he certainly wasn't the messianic figure you're currently portraying him to be. Just look at it like this: in five years, will you still stand by what you wrote now? As an historian, I doubt it. It's still very close to the time of his death now, and so the appropriate distance to cast any useful judgement on his life and career is lacking. Emotions are still overtaking reason.














Fair enough.  Time will tell.  But I don't see anything I wrote as being emotionally triggered.  Everything I said was a fact (and not a Treasure Moment "FACT").

Ask the average middle-aged person from any territory that was dominated by disco how many records they bought between 1978 and 1981.  Then ask them if they bought Thriller.  Then ask them what song made them at least curious to hear what CD audio sounded like.  You'd be surprised how many people will say "that intro of Billie Jean".

As for his personal life... popular culture hasn't come out to destroy someone in such a grand style since Marilyn Monroe.  But there was no excuse this time, as we had decades to learn from that, and we didn't.




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It makes me sad to see how society gets sucked into this crap.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 


You're right, it is a bit overblown.  But Michael Jackson, like him or not, is one of the most famous people ever to have lived, and with good reason:

- he was this and last generation's Elvis
- he broke colour barriers on MTV and elsewhere
- after disco estranged people from record shops, Thriller brought them back
- Thriller was the beginning of wide interest in the compact disc
- the money he gave to charity was approximately his debt when he died
- he inspired people to simply love

"There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one." -- Michael Jackson

But unfortunately... most of those things don't make headlines in 2009.  It's the average person's own fault that they don't bother to take a moment to have some empathy for what the guy had been through - child star at age 5, father's beatings, and female hormones until age 16, for starters.

if he didn't molest those kids

We need to leave that alone too.  The mere mention of that just contributes to the problem that we listen to what tabloid culture feeds us, all in the interest of money at someone's expense.  So the question is, will we as a society learn from this, or will the next big star continue to get attacked by the tabloids and the average person, restarting the cycle of societal abuse yet again?



You're giving him waaaay too much credit. He wasn't Bad (pun intended), but he certainly wasn't the messianic figure you're currently portraying him to be. Just look at it like this: in five years, will you still stand by what you wrote now? As an historian, I doubt it. It's still very close to the time of his death now, and so the appropriate distance to cast any useful judgement on his life and career is lacking. Emotions are still overtaking reason.








thomas, I agree. He was a great entertainer, but let's not make him into a musical genious. I don't think he is at all.  He's a pop star.  He's not the greatest of singers around, I'll take smokey robinson anyday as a vocalist, but he was #1 in dancing, and music video's of all time, no debating that.  If popularity makes someone into a musical genious than Justin timberlake and brittany spears is the than the who, it doesn't always tell the story.




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It makes me sad to see how society gets sucked into this crap.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 


You're right, it is a bit overblown.  But Michael Jackson, like him or not, is one of the most famous people ever to have lived, and with good reason:

- he was this and last generation's Elvis
- he broke colour barriers on MTV and elsewhere
- after disco estranged people from record shops, Thriller brought them back
- Thriller was the beginning of wide interest in the compact disc
- the money he gave to charity was approximately his debt when he died
- he inspired people to simply love

"There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one." -- Michael Jackson

But unfortunately... most of those things don't make headlines in 2009.  It's the average person's own fault that they don't bother to take a moment to have some empathy for what the guy had been through - child star at age 5, father's beatings, and female hormones until age 16, for starters.

if he didn't molest those kids

We need to leave that alone too.  The mere mention of that just contributes to the problem that we listen to what tabloid culture feeds us, all in the interest of money at someone's expense.  So the question is, will we as a society learn from this, or will the next big star continue to get attacked by the tabloids and the average person, restarting the cycle of societal abuse yet again?





good points about the abuse, but I'm not saying he shouldn't be mentioned at all. Of course he was a huge influence on popular culture,  but in the end he was Just a man.  The fact that he got accused of the worst crime anyone could ever be accused of?....how can you leave that alone?....nothings more lower than that, the worst crime a man could do.  I personally don't think he did it, but who really knows.




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Posted: 10 Jul 09, 10:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Let's not forget that, unlike most pop stars, MJ wrote most of his songs.

Tell me a song written in the last 20 years that's more relevant (and to the point) than Heal The World...

As for the accusations... people saw a man eaten up by pop culture, and saw dollar signs in their eyes.  The math really is that simple.




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Posted: 10 Jul 09, 10:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's something that I always wondered about, what did he write?....if he wrote most of his songs than more power to him.

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yea, but now they all love him.  That's another thing that makes me mad.  The media killed this guy,  They called him every name in the book.  Pervert,  freak, wacko, but now he's the most loved figure since elvis.  Phonies I tell you.  This thread is more about the media than michael.

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yea, but now they all love him.  That's another thing that makes me mad.  The media killed this guy,  They called him every name in the book.  Pervert,  freak, wacko, but now he's the most loved figure since elvis.  Phonies I tell you.  This threat is more about the media than michael.






Yeah, I agree... the flip-flop nature of the media is more than transparent.




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Michael Jackson was , of course, a shrinking violet who never used the media to promote his cds or concerts. He also didn't use the media when, in a dispute with his record company, he played the race card, nor when he falsely claimed police brutality (only to fold faster than Superman on laundry day when it turned out there was cctv footage disproving his claims). His family have also never sought media attention, not even when apperaing on reality tv shows, or in playboy, or when having a wardrobe malfucntion during a show which drew America's biggest TV audience. And of course there was no media attention sought when they held a live, televised memorial service. [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]





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female hormones until age 16

Why would he do that to himself?

He was still a kid then... it was his father who took care of that, to keep MJ's voice up high for as long as possible.































































































































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You're giving him waaaay too much credit. He wasn't Bad (pun intended), but he certainly wasn't the messianic figure you're currently portraying him to be. Just look at it like this: in five years, will you still stand by what you wrote now? As an historian, I doubt it. It's still very close to the time of his death now, and so the appropriate distance to cast any useful judgement on his life and career is lacking. Emotions are still overtaking reason.






























































Fair enough.  Time will tell.  But I don't see anything I wrote as being emotionally triggered.  Everything I said was a fact (and not a Treasure Moment "FACT").

Ask the average middle-aged person from any territory that was dominated by disco how many records they bought between 1978 and 1981.  Then ask them if they bought Thriller.  Then ask them what song made them at least curious to hear what CD audio sounded like.  You'd be surprised how many people will say "that intro of Billie Jean".

As for his personal life... popular culture hasn't come out to destroy someone in such a grand style since Marilyn Monroe.  But there was no excuse this time, as we had decades to learn from that, and we didn't.


You're right as to his popularity, and I am also inclined to agree with your implicit definition of MJ as a true artist, but when in 25 years schoolbooks/history books discuss the music of the 1980s, MJ will likely be cited as a cultural icon, not as a musical innovator. He was indeed an important presence in the charts, and he went on to influence chart-based pop for at least another decade, but I do doubt that his influence will be lasting, especially considering how his music was more of a synthesis of previous innovations rather than entirely new in itself.

Time, and only time, will tell.






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