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Posted: 31 Jul 09, 16:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hello everyone, i just want to clear this up.
the question is, how is this Brian's song spelled?
queenlive.ca states that "Dreamers is often misspelled as Dreamer's", but on queenconcerts.com it is always spelled as "Dreamer's" as on my Jazz re-issue scans.
Can anybody make the last call?

p.s. i made a cruel mistake before with the album title, so i fixed it.


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Posted: 31 Jul 09, 17:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dreamers Ball my friend.

Hope that clears it up


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Posted: 31 Jul 09, 17:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yep,  it is Dreamers Ball.

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Posted: 01 Aug 09, 15:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Grammatically speaking, it should be Dreamers' Ball (ball pertaining to more than one dreamer).  As a PhD I think Brian would agree.

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Posted: 01 Aug 09, 16:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Does it really change anything???

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Posted: 01 Aug 09, 18:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



ludwigs wrote:

Does it really change anything???






i don't know,,, but it's Dreamers Ball!;D



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Posted: 03 Aug 09, 22:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Ginger01 wrote:

Grammatically speaking, it should be Dreamers' Ball (ball pertaining to more than one dreamer).  As a PhD I think Brian would agree.


I think you've got it wrong there Ginger.  That would make it a double pluralisation of the word dreamer.  you don't have to add the ' because the s already shows that there is more than one dreamer.





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Posted: 03 Aug 09, 22:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



paulsmith2001 wrote:



 



Ginger01 wrote:



Grammatically speaking, it should be Dreamers' Ball (ball pertaining to more than one dreamer).  As a PhD I think Brian would agree.



I think you've got it wrong there Ginger.  That would make it a double pluralisation of the word dreamer.  you don't have to add the ' because the s already shows that there is more than one dreamer.



Actually I think Ginger is right.







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Posted: 03 Aug 09, 22:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



lalaalalaa wrote:



 



paulsmith2001 wrote:



 



 



 



 



Ginger01 wrote:



 



Grammatically speaking, it should be Dreamers' Ball (ball pertaining to more than one dreamer).  As a PhD I think Brian would agree.



 



I think you've got it wrong there Ginger.  That would make it a double pluralisation of the word dreamer.  you don't have to add the ' because the s already shows that there is more than one dreamer.



Actually I think Ginger is right.






well....how do we know that Dreamers is not a place? or a club titled Dreamers? No need to add anything extra if the name of the places is "Dreamers" ....  If was called CJ... it would be the CJ Ball...  which you could say both.... take me to the CJ ball, or CJ's Ball.....








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Posted: 03 Aug 09, 23:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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lalaalalaa wrote:



 



 



 



 



paulsmith2001 wrote:



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



Ginger01 wrote:



 



 



 



Grammatically speaking, it should be Dreamers' Ball (ball pertaining to more than one dreamer).  As a PhD I think Brian would agree.



 



 



 



I think you've got it wrong there Ginger.  That would make it a double pluralisation of the word dreamer.  you don't have to add the ' because the s already shows that there is more than one dreamer.



Actually I think Ginger is right.






well....how do we know that Dreamers is not a place? or a club titled Dreamers? No need to add anything extra if the name of the places is "Dreamers" ....  If was called CJ... it would be the CJ Ball...  which you could say both.... take me to the CJ ball, or CJ's Ball.....







Well we don't know........






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Posted: 03 Aug 09, 23:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



lalaalalaa wrote:



 



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Ginger01 wrote:



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



Grammatically speaking, it should be Dreamers' Ball (ball pertaining to more than one dreamer).  As a PhD I think Brian would agree.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



I think you've got it wrong there Ginger.  That would make it a double pluralisation of the word dreamer.  you don't have to add the ' because the s already shows that there is more than one dreamer.



Actually I think Ginger is right.






well....how do we know that Dreamers is not a place? or a club titled Dreamers? No need to add anything extra if the name of the places is "Dreamers" ....  If was called CJ... it would be the CJ Ball...  which you could say both.... take me to the CJ ball, or CJ's Ball.....







Well we don't know........





we should find out....
Ill ask brian now in 2009, and then you can ask him in 2012 and then we can compare notes and see how different each answer is .........








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Posted: 03 Aug 09, 23:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The ' it's only used when you want to refer as "of something" to a word that already finishes with an S. For exemple: Montgomery Burns has a suit.Go and see Burns' suit



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MmP wrote:

The ' it's only used when you want to refer as "of something" to a word that already finishes with an S. For exemple: Montgomery Burns has a suit.Go and see Burns' suit





or ghost..... if there two then its..ghos'......or how ever u spell it




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Posted: 05 Aug 09, 10:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Ginger01 wrote:

Grammatically speaking, it should be Dreamers' Ball (ball pertaining to more than one dreamer).  As a PhD I think Brian would agree.


I was sitting watching tv last night and it just came to me that of course you are correct,  forgive my ignorance.







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Posted: 05 Aug 09, 12:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OR - consider these:

1)  It just happens to be the mandated title of the ball, given by the promoters.  Meaning, it may not necessarily belong to the dancers, who may or may not be dreamers themselves.  
 
In which case, it would simply be the Dreamers Ball.


2)  Or it's a ball given at a bar called Dreamers.  End result:  Dreamers Ball.


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Posted: 08 Aug 09, 18:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think it's definately a ball for the dreamers, therefore should be Dreamers' Ball, as in possession?


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Posted: 08 Aug 09, 19:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



I always saw it as a 'ball' pertaining to just one dreamer (the singer of the song) and so it is (to me) Dreamer's Ball.



Like, I am the Dreamer, and it is MY ball, so the APOSTROPHE indicates that.



IF it is a ball belonging to a bunch of Dreamers, then the apostrophe goes after the 's'.



To not have an apostrophe makes no sense to me grammatically unless it is purely the name of the Ball itself, in which case it is whatever the namer of the Ball wants it to be - apostrophe or not.







On the original album it is as I first said, but on Live Killers the apostrophe is missing - so I wonder which one is the printing error LOL.




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