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Posted: 24 Oct 09, 22:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I never saw Queen as a rock band, i always saw them as more than that.
When i heard Hot Space it was just Queen for me, i never saw it as any form of departure at all. It is interesting reading all the comments on this board for all of these years that Queen are seen as a rock band. Ive always wondered whats the criteria of a rock band??  
Queen released singles like Radio GaGa, Another One Bites, Back Chat, Im Going Slightly Mad, now these dont seem like rock band moves to me. When you listen to a Bon Jovi album or say an Aerosmith album its all pretty much rock all the way through. With Queen their albums always had alot of varied stuff on them..........Were Queen actually a rock band??





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Posted: 24 Oct 09, 22:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They were promoted as a rock band and led a rock lifestyle (most of the time at least). Very broadly and vaguely defined, rock bands are those where:

* The songs are (mostly) written and composed by people within the group.
* The instruments are (mostly) arranged and performed by people within the group.
* The output features relative balance between instruments and vocals in terms of focus.

OTOH, pop groups (e.g. Spice Girls) are those where:

* Songs are (partly, mostly or completely) written and composed by people outside the group.
* Instruments are (partly, mostly or completely) arranged and performed by people outside the group.
* Output features mostly vocal sections favouring the singer(s) rather than the instrumentalist(s).

So, for instance, Radio Ga Ga may be 'light', feature loads of machines and programming, but is still a 'rock band doing a Europop-influenced track for a change' rather than 'a rock band turning into a pop group'. Same for, say, Backstreet Boys' Larger than Life: it's got distorted electric guitars (including a very nice solo), it's co-written by one of them, it's got instrumental sections... but it doesn't make BSB a rock band.



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Posted: 25 Oct 09, 02:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always defined "Rock" and "Rock Stars" by their approach to their craft, not nessecarily by the end result. "Rock" music, as a genre is very broad and encompasses a few different internal styles. It doesn't help matters when the music press, the recording industry and music outlets (stores, ITunes, etc) are constantly redefining individual artists and bands retroactively (for instance, some bands who were "Alternative" in the '90s are now lumped into "Rock" ten or fifteen years later). So, I tend to stick to with the artists' intent: What were they trying to accomplish?

For me, what "Rock" artists are trying to do is create music primarily driven by gut-instinct, where it reflects more raw emotion. This isn't to say the lyrics have to reflect that (though most do), but the finished product hits you in the gut or grabs your heart-strings or smacks you up-side your head...or just knocks you flat on your ass. "Rock" music takes what it needs from whatever influence it encounters and builds on it.

"Pop Music" is short for "Popular Music," which did not start out as a synonym for the bouncy, fluffy, superficial, but seems to have grown into a derogatory term for just that, much the way modern R&B has no real musical connection to it's ancestor: good-ole Rhythm & Blues. The musical family tree is knotted, gnarled and still growing, but a few examples of influence follow these lines:

Folk begat Country, Skiffle and Blues; 
Blues and Jazz begat Rhythm & Blues, which begat Rock & Roll, which begat Beat Music, Rock, Modern Rock, Folk Rock, Psychedelic Rock and Blues Rock;
Rock begat Glam Rock, Progressive Rock, Hard Rock and Punk;
Glam Rock and Prog Rock begat Heavy Metal;
Punk and Rock begat Grunge;
Grunge begat Alternative....

Rhythm & Blues also begat Soul and Funk, which begat Disco, which begat Euro-pop and Synth-pop, which begat Techno, which begat Club and Modern Dance...

Funk + Rhythm & Blues begat Rap;
Rap, Soul and Funk begat Hip Hop;
Hip Hop and Soul begat Modern R&B...

These threads I drew are in no way complete, but it shows just how insanely difficult tracking the influence of music is in the last 50 years. Going back to my original point (sorry to drift a bit), because of its ancestry, "Rock" can thrive in diversity, adopting different forms to suit the intention of the artists. Queen were very much a rock band because they exploited so many influences while staying true to their emotional core. AC/DC, in contrast, sticks close to the heavy, harder, bluesier corner of the spectrum and are quite content to stay there. The Who evolved from Rhythm & Blues and Mod Rock into more straightforward "Rock" by the '80s (compare "My Generation" to "You Better, You Bet").

Anyway, that's my opinion...

(I gotta stop these long threads)

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Posted: 25 Oct 09, 11:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Of course they were a rock band, who doubts it ?

They were a art rock / glam rock / hard rock / heavy metal / trash metal / pop rock / punk rock / synth pop / rock'n'roll / rockabily / disco / funk ..... band


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Posted: 25 Oct 09, 12:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They were one of those rare rock bands that could get away with anything. They could do pretty much anything they pleased and everyone would love it. Now, they do have some very hard core rock songs like White Man and Stone Cold Crazy and Modern Times Rock-n-Roll(at least I see those as hard core). They're just amazing.


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Posted: 25 Oct 09, 12:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They were a Rock Band but they were one of those rock bands who were unique, had a style and sound of their own.

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Posted: 25 Oct 09, 14:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



pittrek wrote:

Of course they were a rock band, who doubts it ?

They were a art rock / glam rock / hard rock / heavy metal / trash metal / pop rock / punk rock / synth pop / rock'n'roll / rockabily / disco / funk ..... band




all this... because this things they are/were good!!!





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Posted: 25 Oct 09, 17:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote




pittrek wrote:

Of course they were a rock band, who doubts it ?

They were a art rock / glam rock / hard rock / heavy metal / trash metal / pop rock / punk rock / synth pop / rock'n'roll / rockabily / disco / funk ..... band

LOL that's about it.








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Posted: 26 Oct 09, 09:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Were Queen a rock band? YES... and a very good one at that!

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Posted: 26 Oct 09, 16:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Were Queen A Rock Band? Yes, they were. Not just that: they were the best of all the rock bands.



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Posted: 27 Oct 09, 09:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In the various attempts to define rock music, I dont think anyone has mentioned the importance of the guitar. Personally I dont think you can have rock music without a guitar - thats the instrument that "rocks" as it were. Attempts the nail down music into genres can are always loose affairs, as someone said above, due to the way that styles and approaches to music have intertwined and grown over the years.

However, for me Queen were a rock band merely because they could, and did do the heavy overdriven guitar music, but also so much more because they were very capable and willing to play in other styles and push the boundaries a bit.


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Posted: 27 Oct 09, 09:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Cwazy little thing wrote:

In the various attempts to define rock music, I dont think anyone has mentioned the importance of the guitar. Personally I dont think you can have rock music without a guitar - thats the instrument that "rocks" as it were. Attempts the nail down music into genres can are always loose affairs, as someone said above, due to the way that styles and approaches to music have intertwined and grown over the years.

However, for me Queen were a rock band merely because they could, and did do the heavy overdriven guitar music, but also so much more because they were very capable and willing to play in other styles and push the boundaries a bit.


Listen to Don't Stop Me Now, that song rocks and it barely has guitar.






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Posted: 27 Oct 09, 14:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sebastian wrote:

They were promoted as a rock band and led a rock lifestyle (most of the time at least). Very broadly and vaguely defined, rock bands are those where:

* The songs are (mostly) written and composed by people within the group.
* The instruments are (mostly) arranged and performed by people within the group.
* The output features relative balance between instruments and vocals in terms of focus.

OTOH, pop groups (e.g. Spice Girls) are those where:

* Songs are (partly, mostly or completely) written and composed by people outside the group.
* Instruments are (partly, mostly or completely) arranged and performed by people outside the group.
* Output features mostly vocal sections favouring the singer(s) rather than the instrumentalist(s).

So, for instance, Radio Ga Ga may be 'light', feature loads of machines and programming, but is still a 'rock band doing a Europop-influenced track for a change' rather than 'a rock band turning into a pop group'. Same for, say, Backstreet Boys' Larger than Life: it's got distorted electric guitars (including a very nice solo), it's co-written by one of them, it's got instrumental sections... but it doesn't make BSB a rock band.

It doesn't matter who wrote or who played on songs, it matters to which genre these songs belong to. There were a lot of light songs on Queen albums in the 80's -> they were pop-rock band. Live, rock aspect was much more prevelent.


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Posted: 27 Oct 09, 18:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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Cwazy little thing wrote:



In the various attempts to define rock music, I dont think anyone has mentioned the importance of the guitar. Personally I dont think you can have rock music without a guitar - thats the instrument that "rocks" as it were. Attempts the nail down music into genres can are always loose affairs, as someone said above, due to the way that styles and approaches to music have intertwined and grown over the years.

However, for me Queen were a rock band merely because they could, and did do the heavy overdriven guitar music, but also so much more because they were very capable and willing to play in other styles and push the boundaries a bit.



Listen to Don't Stop Me Now, that song rocks and it barely has guitar.





Oh, Im not saying you absolutely CANT have a single song or part of a song that rocks without a guitar (although its very rare) - hence the bit about genre lines being blurred (although DSMN does have a red hot guitar solo!).

However I'd be comfortable asserting that I've never seen a "rock band" or a "band that rocks" (lol) without a guitarist.

If you took the guitar solo out of DSMN, and all Queen's songs had sounded something like THAT, I wouldnt call them a rock band.







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Posted: 27 Oct 09, 18:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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pittrek wrote:



Of course they were a rock band, who doubts it ?

They were a art rock / glam rock / hard rock / heavy metal / trash metal / pop rock / punk rock / synth pop / rock'n'roll / rockabily / disco / funk ..... band





all this... because this things they are/were good!!!



what the hell did you just say??? ..... oh yeah... you just can say what you heard in movies!! ... you "bastard" ..... xD 







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Posted: 28 Oct 09, 02:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen played more styles on one album than most rock bands play in a career.  The works is considered one of Queens weakest albums, but even that album had many styles.  Radio ga ga (pop) tear it up, hammer to fall (hard rock) it's a hard life (operatic rock)  man on the prowl (rock n roll) .  Overall,  Queen are a rock n roll band who has many hard rock songs.

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Posted: 28 Oct 09, 12:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



 



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Of course they were a rock band, who doubts it ?



 



They were a art rock / glam rock / hard rock / heavy metal / trash metal / pop rock / punk rock / synth pop / rock'n'roll / rockabily / disco / funk ..... band



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



all this... because this things they are/were good!!!



 



 



 


what the hell did you just say??? ..... oh yeah... you just can say what you heard in movies!! ... you "bastard" ..... xD 

 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 





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cala boca chileno filho da puta! agora voce me entende??????? vagabundo!!!! vai se fude! vai come tua mãe retardado! se você não entender oque eu disse, procura no google, filho da puta!








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Posted: 28 Oct 09, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



 



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No no no. I Want To Break Free has nothing to do with being gay.  I mean, John Deacon is married with about four children. And don't ask me again!





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