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Posted: 25 Dec 09, 19:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In an interview with Daily Reconrd, Lady Gaga named Freddie Mercury as her #1 influence of all time. She also discusses Freddie's influence upon her as a performer. Here is the article:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-interviews/2009/11/27/my-new-album-is-all-about-the-dark-side-of-celebrity-says-lady-gaga-86908-21854037/

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Posted: 25 Dec 09, 20:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Right. I hate Lady Gaga but I have to say, what she said about Freddie was true



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Posted: 26 Dec 09, 12:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Given that her father is not dead, I'm really not too sure about this "interview"...

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Posted: 26 Dec 09, 23:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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Given that her father is not dead, I'm really not too sure about this "interview"...



Her father's not dead??






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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 06:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bad Romance is a great track, and her hits so far were very well crafted popsongs.


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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 12:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Speechless is an excellent song as well.  Everyone should check this out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRILEQhJqoo

If she'd focus on her musical talent instead of her image, she might be taken seriously by people who prefer musical quality over selling sex.  But since image has become more important than music to popular culture (thanks, MTV), it's clear that the masses who buy into sex are far greater in number to people who like to sit down and listen to the great album with headphones.

Sure, she may end up being the next Madonna, but what are we as a society when we applaud artists who make showing off their body the primary goal?  Can we even name one female artist to have come out in the last 25 years who has endured in the mainstream without showing off her body?  Maybe Bjork..?



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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 12:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah Bjork is certainly someone whom I've grown more fond of since she shook off the "pop" image from long time ago. Her recent work with Antony And The Johnsons was a nice treat for me.


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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 13:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Unblinking Eye wrote:

Right. I hate Lady Gaga but I have to say, what she said about Freddie was true

I think what Roger said about Freddie in the recent Absolute Hits commentary has far deeper credibility for me. His comment on Heaven For Everyone.... "Originally, I had sung this and when you then get Freddie Mercury to sing something you've sung you just realise your limits and how much further he could take something vocally".

Very humble I think, especially as It was Roger who wrote this masterpiece (imo). The way he spoke about him in this sense made me feel very happy and summed Freddie's genius up in one honest sentence. Bravo Roger. (... but don't knock you're version, it has it's own charms also).







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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 13:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is only my opinion but she says Freddie is her #1 inspiration but to me her music doesnt represent any influence to Freddie or Queen if anyone can find me an example of her influence please tell me as I'm confused with her statement (except her name) ....& the Bowie 'flash' isnt a reference it's just copying his original idea.

Im am not Lady Gaga Fan but I also agree it's true what she said about Freddie even though he's more Rock than 'Pop'





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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 13:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



ILoveQueen20 wrote:

he's more Rock than 'Pop'


Not sure if I'd agree with you there... Freddie developed more and more of a pop nature as time went on. If anything, Brian kept the rock influence as his priority within the group.

I don't see any of Freddie or Queen in her music, but the importance she puts on her image is very Freddie/Bowie like I suppose (to a degree). I'm very indifferent towards her. Not sure she'll have staying power to be honest. Still nice to hear new acts paying homage to Queen/Freddie though.







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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 14:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sir GH wrote:

Speechless is an excellent song as well.  Everyone should check this out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRILEQhJqoo

If she'd focus on her musical talent instead of her image, she might be taken seriously by people who prefer musical quality over selling sex.  But since image has become more important than music to popular culture (thanks, MTV), it's clear that the masses who buy into sex are far greater in number to people who like to sit down and listen to the great album with headphones.

Sure, she may end up being the next Madonna, but what are we as a society when we applaud artists who make showing off their body the primary goal?  Can we even name one female artist to have come out in the last 25 years who has endured in the mainstream without showing off her body?  Maybe Bjork..?

I really don't think this is mostly that.  She seems to me to use her physical person more as canvas and clay for an artistic vision than she does for displays of skin that are merely gratuitious. The brilliant Bad Romance video is a near perfect example.

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Posted: 27 Dec 09, 18:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thats disgusting. how can she say that Freddie is her biggest influence when she makes him look so awful. i dont like her at all.


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I really don't think this is mostly that.  She seems to me to use her physical person more as canvas and clay for an artistic vision than she does for displays of skin that are merely gratuitious. The brilliant Bad Romance video is a near perfect example.






























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































Well, then I guess we disagree.  I think you're being far too generous.  I watched the video, and saw 5% computerized music and 95% sex blandly disguised as artistry.  The song is catchy, but ultimately throwaway pop that'll be irrelevant in a few years.  She has contributed nothing to the evolution of music, and she probably never will if she stays on the fad bandwagon.  Image is not music, and never will be.

Emily Haines is a real artist that people should be listening to, not this garbage that's manufactured by computers, with accompanying videos that are half way to being softcore porn.  Carole King and Patti Labelle must be disgusted and deeply saddened when they see what the bulk of these mainstream female artists have become.

But in the end it's not the artists' fault, of course.  The bean-counters at the record labels are the ones who ultimately decide what the average person is going to be listening to.



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Sir GH wrote:

Speechless is an excellent song as well.  Everyone should check this out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRILEQhJqoo

If she'd focus on her musical talent instead of her image, she might be taken seriously by people who prefer musical quality over selling sex.  But since image has become more important than music to popular culture (thanks, MTV), it's clear that the masses who buy into sex are far greater in number to people who like to sit down and listen to the great album with headphones.

Sure, she may end up being the next Madonna, but what are we as a society when we applaud artists who make showing off their body the primary goal?  Can we even name one female artist to have come out in the last 25 years who has endured in the mainstream without showing off her body?  Maybe Bjork..?

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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 01:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hell yeah.  And Joss Stone.

Hopefully they'll still be around in 10 years.



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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 04:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

She says that she is influenced by F. Mercury.... So what?
Except the thing that she likes his music it says nothing about how good musician/singer she is.

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Well, then I guess we disagree.  I think you're being far too generous.  I watched the video, and saw 5% computerized music and 95% sex blandly disguised as artistry.  The song is catchy, but ultimately throwaway pop that'll be irrelevant in a few years.  She has contributed nothing to the evolution of music, and she probably never will if she stays on the fad bandwagon.  Image is not music, and never will be.

Emily Haines is a real artist that people should be listening to, not this garbage that's manufactured by computers, with accompanying videos that are half way to being softcore porn.  Carole King and Patti Labelle must be disgusted and deeply saddened when they see what the bulk of these mainstream female artists have become.

But in the end it's not the artists' fault, of course.  The bean-counters at the record labels are the ones who ultimately decide what the average person is going to be listening to.



We definitely disagree about the 'Bad Romance' video.  The female form as monster was for me a striking conceptual premise that was anything but bland.  And the subtle visual homage to to pop's biggest female names then and now peppered throughout could be missed altogether if one was predisposed to dismiss her efforts as serial opportunities to appear in de facto underwear.  And what does that all mean taken together- female monsters and pop queen doppelgangers?  It's been a long time since a pop video prompted me to wonder anything. One need only watch the videos in the number two and number three spots on the pop charts to see how vastly more interesting and substantial her work is.

One could argue that the modern pop scene is such a steaming pile of dung that excelling there is utterly meaningless, but I think that requires one to accept that it is an objective fact that the subtle artistry of Broken Social Scene et al is more important, somehow more valid than the brash and jarring sexually charged pop culture vision of one Stefani Germanotta. I reject that.  You and I share a subjective preference for experiencing music as it is delivered by people like Emily Haines, but that says nothing about any dispassionate cosmic truth.  Carole King at 20 was doing precisely what Lady Gaga was doing at 20 - writing hit songs on her piano for other people,  moving toward massive and only seemingly instant solo success in a genre intimately tied to the times she lived in.  I'd put a song like Speechless up against anything the brilliant Carole King wrote at 23 and expect it to measure up absolutely.

Lady Gaga responds to questions about sexuality in her music here. The brief clip is notable for it's parallels to some of the interviews Freddie did.  Aggressive, deliberately provocative, supremely confident and not willing to suffer fools who want to trip her up with nonsense tossed on the road she's walking.






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One need only watch the videos in the number two and number three spots on the pop charts to see how vastly more interesting and substantial her work is.






























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































If we judged something only by comparing it to something else, then the Cold War was a fantastic war because it didn't claim as many lives as World Wars I or II.

I'd put a song like Speechless up against anything the brilliant Carole King wrote at 23 and expect it to measure up absolutely.

Sure, I'll give you that.  But from day one, Carole King was seen as a great songwriter, and 30+ years later we continue to see Carole King as a great songwriter.  Lady Gaga, on the other hand, will either be forgotten 30 years from now, or seen as a sex symbol of the past, most of whose songs dated badly.  Good on Carole King for keeping her clothes on and connecting with people on less superficial levels at all times without exception.

I realize you're trying to be fair, but I'm just not buying into it.  Music is meant to be heard, not to be seen with skimpy clothing.  Image can augment the music, but the music should have the final say in the end.  In that interview video you linked to, the interviewer suggests the idea of separating sex from her music, and she replies by boasting about her record sales.  That tells me everything I need to know about her.

"Fools who want to trip her up with nonsense," you say?  The interviewer certainly was no fool, and that question was the furthest thing from nonsense.  She basically confirmed that sex was the crutch for her mainstream success, and he didn't need to spend another moment on the topic.  Score an A+ for his integrity there.

And finally, comparing her to Freddie Mercury in any way is just a disgrace.  Freddie Mercury was a brilliant musician who always made the artistic choice to put the music first.  For that reason alone, Lady Gaga has no business being mentioned in the same sentence as him.



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Posted: 29 Dec 09, 21:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it certainly doesnt show in her or his music, talentless garbage "artist"

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Posted: 30 Dec 09, 04:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Vaguely sexual imagery being used in a Goddamn clever way ... see, if I want that, I'll watch Pink Floyd The Wall.  That's art, regardless of whether or not you liked the album.

It'd take some convincing for me to ever rate a Lady Gaga video as artistic.


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