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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 00:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

... don't know what to do... so i was surfing on youtube and i found Time to Shine live.... by Q9PR..great song if you ask me... anyway they played it live only once if i can remember ... what do you think who f'd it up and who's fault was? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKnwvFhDQpI

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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 01:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was Paul.  A 2/4 bar is thrown in before the chorus on the studio version, but Paul kept counting in 4.  Roger had to follow his singer's lead and catch up.

Too bad they dropped it, as it otherwise sounded great.  It could have just been rehearsed once more..



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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 05:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sir GH wrote:

It was Paul.  A 2/4 bar is thrown in before the chorus on the studio version, but Paul kept counting in 4.  Roger had to follow his singer's lead and catch up.


I disagree.

Roger certainly seemed to play his fill over only one bar of four beats, befroe kicking in to the chorus pattern and sticking to it without adjustment, so he's partly responsible at least. Paul however also seemed to come in after four beats, before instantly elongating his vocal line to try and immediately correct the fact that he'd also come in two beats early. But by then it was too late.

Brian didn't help matters by going to the wrong chord coming out of the chorus.








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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 18:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Bohardy wrote:







Sir GH wrote:



It was Paul.  A 2/4 bar is thrown in before the chorus on the studio version, but Paul kept counting in 4.  Roger had to follow his singer's lead and catch up.



I disagree.

Roger certainly seemed to play his fill over only one bar of four beats, befroe kicking in to the chorus pattern and sticking to it without adjustment, so he's partly responsible at least. Paul however also seemed to come in after four beats, before instantly elongating his vocal line to try and immediately correct the fact that he'd also come in two beats early. But by then it was too late.

Brian didn't help matters by going to the wrong chord coming out of the chorus.






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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 19:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Without listening to it now, I remember Paul jumped into the chorus a couple of beats earlier. I don't remember if Roger played the drum fill incorrectly or if anything else caused Paul's mistake but still, they should have played it more often.

There is the Prague Soundcheck version, though. Not bad, not bad.

I think it was a crime that they didn't play more tracks from the album live, but if you think about it, they played only 4 tracks off AKOM in the Magic tour. Greatest hits setlist all over the place. :S

Even the first 10-12 shows in 2005 (up until Vienna or so) had more variety.

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Posted: 28 Dec 09, 20:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



theCro wrote:

... don't know what to do... so i was surfing on youtube and i found Time to Shine live.... by Q9PR..great song if you ask me... anyway they played it live only once if i can remember ... what do you think who f'd it up and who's fault was? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKnwvFhDQpI

if anyone has clear, or longer version please post


http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1180885/announce-queen-and-paul-rodgers-antwerp-23-09-2008-lossless-master.aspx

I don't have time to re upload (or won't make time)
Maybe someone else can do that.

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Posted: 29 Dec 09, 01:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Paul's fault initially, but the rest of the band's fault for not following the golden rule : "Follow the singer".


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Posted: 29 Dec 09, 13:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote















Zebonka12 wrote:







Paul's fault initially, but the rest of the band's fault for not following the golden rule : "Follow the singer".






Agreed.



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Posted: 30 Dec 09, 00:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love how you people can actually figure out what happened there.  I don't even know how many thousands of songs I could name by the end of the first bar or three, but all I'd have to say about this is "Oooh.  That didn't sound good".  Despite being able to find the beat immediately, I can't even sort out what time signature a song is in. I wish I could.

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Posted: 30 Dec 09, 12:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



I'm not too good in identifying the actual time signature in a song. I usually don't pay that much attention but I guess I could count the beats and figure it out.

If it makes your shake your head repeatedly and you can play it in a party, it's most likely 4/4. I sometimes get the ilusion of 'moving forward' when listening to these. (Millions of songs)



If it makes you want to wave things from one side to the other, like a glass of beer, or even dance waltz, it's most likely something like 3/4 or 6/8. (Millionaire Waltz, We are the Champions, I'm in love with my car, One year of love, etc.)



If you feel like shaking your head and you can play it in a party but every now and then you feel like you fucked it up, it's something like 7/8 (The main riff in Pink Floyd's "Money).

haha :)

My point is, sometimes a first approach to identifying this is to get the overall "feel" of the song. It's all there, but I guess you have to train your ear to hear the rythm track and identify the beat, instead of following the lead singer's voice or main melody.



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Posted: 31 Dec 09, 13:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As said before, it was Paul's fault at first, but I wouldn't blame the rest of the band for not following the singer.  I would, however, say they they didn't follow his "modification" smoothly.  It sounds like they all caught up to him at slightly different times but they did adjust.
Plus, I think he very quickly realized his error and tried to adjust back to where he should have been in the song.  Hence the strangely elongated note he sang.



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Posted: 01 Jan 10, 15:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Wiley wrote:



 



I'm not too good in identifying the actual time signature in a song. I usually don't pay that much attention but I guess I could count the beats and figure it out.

If it makes your shake your head repeatedly and you can play it in a party, it's most likely 4/4. I sometimes get the ilusion of 'moving forward' when listening to these. (Millions of songs)



 



If it makes you want to wave things from one side to the other, like a glass of beer, or even dance waltz, it's most likely something like 3/4 or 6/8. (Millionaire Waltz, We are the Champions, I'm in love with my car, One year of love, etc.)



 



If you feel like shaking your head and you can play it in a party but every now and then you feel like you fucked it up, it's something like 7/8 (The main riff in Pink Floyd's "Money).

haha :)

My point is, sometimes a first approach to identifying this is to get the overall "feel" of the song. It's all there, but I guess you have to train your ear to hear the rythm track and identify the beat, instead of following the lead singer's voice or main melody.



 



Thanks for all that Wiley. :)  I appreciated your highly accessible head shaking/beer waving/f'ed up head shaking explantion! I'm definintely going to put those to the test. It's confusing, because my instinct is to try to pick it out of the rhythm lines, but I read recently that you need to be listening to the melody for the beats per bar, and listening to the melody relative to the rhythm for the note value.  And I remember reading in Mercury and Me how the time signature was driven by the lyrics/phrasing.  So, I don't know!






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Posted: 07 Jan 10, 16:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Definitely Paul at first, he came in two bars early but also Brian and Roger just kept playing so its sort of their fault too.